YELLIN'! It's all a ruse, an excuse to not like Recovery.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

how come the most of us notice it then??? why hate when there is nothing to hate? unless there IS something to hate.

Because people are mistaking anger and aggression in his voice for "yelling", when in all reality he only "yells" in like 2 songs. And one of those, most people on here love to death (Almost Famous)

It's getting to the point where it sounds like an excuse more than a reason

[Satire]

Not a lot of people say MBDTF sucks

Regardless of what we feel about these albums, clearly they don't actually "suck" or they wouldn't have gotten the success they did. We can simply "not like" these albums, but it's wrong to say an album all-out sucks. I respect anyone making music, because they're doing so much more than I could possibly dream of

I'm a very correct person. I hate when people say "so and so sucks" because others might not feel this way, and saying something sucks seems straight up arrogant to me

I don't like C3, moreso than a lot of people. In fact, I damn near hate it. But I won't say it sucks, because to a lot of people it probably doesn't suck. It's just not my kind of music, people listen to what appeals to them

Exactly, but you're not jumping on other people's cases to defend those albums . You don't need 3 paragraphs to say that opinions are subjective, but using the logic that "we shouldn't say something sucks because we don't like it" defeats the very meaning of the phrase as it is used today. "Sucks" is slang. If we shouldn't say ANYTHING sucks because someone out there likes it, there's no point in having the word.

[Elision]

and it's a commercial success.

So is Lil Wayne and Justin Beiber.

Anyway, Recovery was/is ill. Deal with it.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Not a lot of people say MBDTF sucks

Regardless of what we feel about these albums, clearly they don't actually "suck" or they wouldn't have gotten the success they did. We can simply "not like" these albums, but it's wrong to say an album all-out sucks. I respect anyone making music, because they're doing so much more than I could possibly dream of

I'm a very correct person. I hate when people say "so and so sucks" because others might not feel this way, and saying something sucks seems straight up arrogant to me

I don't like C3, moreso than a lot of people. In fact, I damn near hate it. But I won't say it sucks, because to a lot of people it probably doesn't suck. It's just not my kind of music, people listen to what appeals to them

Exactly, but you're not jumping on other people's cases to defend those albums . You don't need 3 paragraphs to say that opinions are subjective, but using the logic that "we shouldn't say something sucks because we don't like it" defeats the very meaning of the phrase as it is used today. "Sucks" is slang. If we shouldn't say ANYTHING sucks because someone out there likes it, there's no point in having the word.

Eh, good points. Gucci Mane is extremely popular, after all

[Satire]

Not a lot of people say MBDTF sucks

Regardless of what we feel about these albums, clearly they don't actually "suck" or they wouldn't have gotten the success they did. We can simply "not like" these albums, but it's wrong to say an album all-out sucks. I respect anyone making music, because they're doing so much more than I could possibly dream of

I'm a very correct person. I hate when people say "so and so sucks" because others might not feel this way, and saying something sucks seems straight up arrogant to me

I don't like C3, moreso than a lot of people. In fact, I damn near hate it. But I won't say it sucks, because to a lot of people it probably doesn't suck. It's just not my kind of music, people listen to what appeals to them

Exactly, but you're not jumping on other people's cases to defend those albums . You don't need 3 paragraphs to say that opinions are subjective, but using the logic that "we shouldn't say something sucks because we don't like it" defeats the very meaning of the phrase as it is used today. "Sucks" is slang. If we shouldn't say ANYTHING sucks because someone out there likes it, there's no point in having the word.

Eh, good points. Gucci Mane is extremely popular, after all

Exactly, and he sucks dick.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

So is Lil Wayne and Justin Beiber.

Anyway, Recovery was/is ill. Deal with it.

I know it is, I never said it wasn't. I was defending Recovery by saying that. Recovery is my personal second favorite Em album, so I by no means think that it's trash lol

[christalgurl]

Recovery was an amazing Eminem album. I can honestly say I like every single song on the album. Of course, I have my favorites and those I like less, but I've got something nice to say about all of them, because I think they're all great in one way or another.

[77o77]

Stans will really go to any lengths to defend eminem. Yes, he's lyrical value far surpasses that of todays commonly praised rappers. His very wit buried inside each line carry the mind into a labryinth few discover the entrance to, but the fact of the matter is that even though he is so far ahead in content. He still lacks much musically, such as production. Todays music is dying but so is eminem's fluidity. His music doesn't mean much when he uses all his best efforts over a shifty undertoned beat. He lacks the appeal of the eminem show that made him openly loved by a diverse group of fans.
Nowadays ems music doesn't have the club appeal or bass filled rhythm that dre possessed in his 2001 years.

Eminem never lost it, he merely lost the right selection of beats to flow over. Instrumentals among that of the watcher, what's the difference, blow your mind, lay low, etc would skyrocket on the charts today regaurdless of how amazing ems verse is.
I'm glad to see the world wide acceptance eminem has recurve recently, but the truth is that recovery on ems standard had much to be needed. Now I'm not just some hater, but many fans including myself occasionally tend to alienate themselves from the real objective of music. The purpose of music is the flow and the appeal of different sounds intertwined together. Eminem has lost his ablity to see what made him famous back in 2002. Eminem hasn't fallen off at all lyrically, but in fact merely lost his fluidity and rhythm that carried his message across the world into every childs ears. Recovery was very low in regaurds to how the sound was, but to each his own.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Stans will really go to any lengths to defend eminem. Yes, he's lyrical value far surpasses that of todays commonly praised rappers. His very wit buried inside each line carry the mind into a labryinth few discover the entrance to, but the fact of the matter is that even though he is so far ahead in content. He still lacks much musically, such as production. Todays music is dying but so is eminem's fluidity. His music doesn't mean much when he uses all his best efforts over a shifty undertoned beat. He lacks the appeal of the eminem show that made him openly loved by a diverse group of fans.
Nowadays ems music doesn't have the club appeal or bass filled rhythm that dre possessed in his 2001 years.

Eminem never lost it, he merely lost the right selection of beats to flow over. Instrumentals among that of the watcher, what's the difference, blow your mind, lay low, etc would skyrocket on the charts today regaurdless of how amazing ems verse is.
I'm glad to see the world wide acceptance eminem has recurve recently, but the truth is that recovery on ems standard had much to be needed. Now I'm not just some hater, but many fans including myself occasionally tend to alienate themselves from the real objective of music. The purpose of music is the flow and the appeal of different sounds intertwined together. Eminem has lost his ablity to see what made him famous back in 2002. Eminem hasn't fallen off at all lyrically, but in fact merely lost his fluidity and rhythm that carried his message across the world into every childs ears. Recovery was very low in regaurds to how the sound was, but to each his own.

I was agreeing with you until you said Recovery doesn't appeal to people. If anything, Recovery spread Em's appeal. More girls are starting to like him, black people love Recovery (not to make this a race thing, but every one that I have talked to says it is great and they hate Relapse. It's something I just noticed), a lot of his critics called it a step forward, and his general fanbase seems to accept it. It has music for all kinds of people on here, and that's what makes Recovery great to me. Eminem is able to appeal to everyone this time, while still being 100% himself with the lyrics

[mdemaz]

Herp derp...

[BigBangBazinga]

how come the most of us notice it then??? why hate when there is nothing to hate? unless there IS something to hate.

Because people here on TR just GOT to bitch about something. Fucking annoying.


"Did you see the shoes Em had when he performed?! God damn, he fell off..."

[M-Pyre]

how come the most of us notice it then??? why hate when there is nothing to hate? unless there IS something to hate.

Because people here on TR just GOT to bitch about something. Fucking annoying.


"Did you see the shoes Em had when he performed?! God damn, he fell off..."

well, I only bitch when there is something real to bitch about. and I find that most of recovery sounds similar whether it's yelling or aggression.

but the main points that I hate is the rehashed topics, allot of the beats and the sub-par multies when compared to his last albums.

[Jimmy Conway]

I don't like Recovery because it sucks. I know that's hard for people to accept. That everyone's opinion isn't exactly the same. But I don't like it. I don't like the yelling, I don't like the beats and I don't like the subect matter. It's not a big deal, I wish I hadn't wasted the 14 dollars on it considering I only listen to like maybe four songs off of it at most, but oh well, shit happens. *listens to Relapse*

There's a difference between fact and opinion. You don't like Recovery, which is opinion and it's fine. But to say it sucked? That's not true. It clearly didn't suck, it got mostly praise from most music critics and it's a commercial success. But, you're opinion is so much better than all of ours, so it just "sucks". right?

Your point....makes no sense. You say my opinion isn't fact. That's true. But you are implying that because the majority believes something, that makes it fact. No, it's still opinion. "most music critics" Praise shit that makes my ears bleed. So I don't care, it all is opinion. The album sucks. That is what I hear. I don't like his flow, I don't like most the beats, I don't like what he is talking about. So that means it sucks. Just because it got praise doesn't influence the way it sounds to me. And yeah, it's good compared to lady gaga, or wak flocka or whatever gay shit people are listening to. But so? That's like making a point about something and saying "well, it could be worse" Yeah, a lot of things could be worse, that doesn't mean the current situation doesn't suck.

[Drucifer]

Its just people looking for summin to cry about as always, Em screamed his ass off on "White America", "Till I Collapse" and a ton of other songs in the past and nobody cared, this year its the popular complaint because there has to be summin............. Thats why I laugh when people say "Why doesnt Em go back to doing........", like people werent complaing about all that other shit too

Coming from a longtime fan I can give you a list of things people have bitched about thru em's career:

SSLP - Annoying High Pitched voice, Not enough serious content, Bleach Blonde Hair, Alternative Image
MMLP - Shock Value content, Dissing Pop Stars
TES - Self Produced beats, Emotional songs where he "Cries too much"
ENC - Childish Content, Fake Tough Guy Act
REL - Accents, Recycled Shock Content
REC - Yelling, working with Pop Stars, Corny Punchlines

Nothing dude did was ever good enogh to keep people from bitching, and nothing ever will be, next year when he does summin diffrent, people will crawl out the woodworks to bitch about it and remember "The Good Times when Em put emotion in his Voice" and do their lil "Recovery > New Album" bullshit

[77o77]

I was agreeing with you until you said Recovery doesn't appeal to people. If anything, Recovery spread Em's appeal. More girls are starting to like him, black people love Recovery (not to make this a race thing, but every one that I have talked to says it is great and they hate Relapse. It's something I just noticed), a lot of his critics called it a step forward, and his general fanbase seems to accept it. It has music for all kinds of people on here, and that's what makes Recovery great to me. Eminem is able to appeal to everyone this time, while still being 100% himself with the lyrics

I didn't mean in any way recovery didn't appeal to everyone, but by most regaurds it's not replayable for the most part the way the eminem show was.
It's just missing the flowing smooth voice matched with an amazing beat