Relapse.

[flyingmonkey10]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

[ScottMurray]

Funny how everone all of a sudden jumps on the Relapse bandwagon. Ive been bumping relapse everyday since it came out despite everyone saying it sucked. And I listen to the "little", not as well known songs the most, they dont get enough credit. Ive always said Relapse was WAY better than Recovery (even when Recovery first came out). No one has ever agreed with me.

i have always thought this man, i 100% agree with you

[SliK]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So Bad and the bonus tracks were fine for Eminem.

[Mathers]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So even Dre's beats on Ridaz and So Bad were Anti-Eminem beats?

[ScottMurray]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So even Dre's beats on Ridaz and So Bad were Anti-Eminem beats?

So Bad is yes, Ridaz is somewhat acceptable.

[JamaicanPattlez]

Recovery, wether you agree or not, is a bunch of the most Anti-Eminem beats the world has ever heard, excluding Cold Wind Blows, On Fire and Untitled.

So even Dre's beats on Ridaz and So Bad were Anti-Eminem beats?

Really? I felt that track had that Eminem feel to it. Tbh, if his next solo's like that, I'm good.

[Mathers]

Really? I felt that track had that Eminem feel to it. Tbh, if his next solo's like that, I'm good.

I thought that to.

[ScottMurray]

I dunno man, its hard to tell with that song for me.

Same with GTC, i think if the other beats on Recovery werent so similarly produced as GTC then it would have stuck out as an instant classic

[JamaicanPattlez]

The main issue with Recovery seems to really be the production, not even really the screaming. If the album just had that unified sound, I don't think people would bitch about Em yelling. If he utilized that beat and it calls for that along with the type of song (Ex. The Way I Am, Till I Collapse...) then it's magic. It's the old saying of "Too many cooks spoil the broth" at work here.

[Sam.]

The main issue with Recovery seems to really be the production, not even really the screaming. If the album just had that unified sound, I don't think people would bitch about Em yelling. If he utilized that beat and it calls for that along with the type of song (Ex. The Way I Am, Till I Collapse...) then it's magic. It's the old saying of "Too many cooks spoil the broth" at work here.

Exactly. That's the main thing that makes Relapse > Recovery. Relapse gives you a unique feel to it, a feeling of originality and uniqueness.

[JamaicanPattlez]

The main issue with Recovery seems to really be the production, not even really the screaming. If the album just had that unified sound, I don't think people would bitch about Em yelling. If he utilized that beat and it calls for that along with the type of song (Ex. The Way I Am, Till I Collapse...) then it's magic. It's the old saying of "Too many cooks spoil the broth" at work here.

Exactly. That's the main thing that makes Relapse > Recovery. Relapse gives you a unique feel to it, a feeling of originality and uniqueness.

Right, not to mention, it's cohesive and you can tell Em put his heart into it. Yes, there are accents and there's barely any content on the album besides killing bitches, but the album was very vivid. It's too bad that Em didn't sit in his studio, contemplate on WHY it was poorly received, and work from that. Instead, he said "Fuck Relapse" to the public yet we all know he loves Relapse (Or else, why would he have put it out? Same goes for Encore, but Encore the dude was blasted) and went a completely different direction. Had he executed Recovery like he did with Relapse, had the producers create tracks that had that sound he was looking for and Em brought 150% to the table (which he probably did), it'd probably be a classic album.

On SL I see people saying "Oh Em's done" and all that. Tbh, I still think the dude's got life in him. From that interview we know HE knows he's the underdog again. I've still got faith in him.

[Sam.]

The main issue with Recovery seems to really be the production, not even really the screaming. If the album just had that unified sound, I don't think people would bitch about Em yelling. If he utilized that beat and it calls for that along with the type of song (Ex. The Way I Am, Till I Collapse...) then it's magic. It's the old saying of "Too many cooks spoil the broth" at work here.

Exactly. That's the main thing that makes Relapse > Recovery. Relapse gives you a unique feel to it, a feeling of originality and uniqueness.

Right, not to mention, it's cohesive and you can tell Em put his heart into it. Yes, there are accents and there's barely any content on the album besides killing bitches, but the album was very vivid. It's too bad that Em didn't sit in his studio, contemplate on WHY it was poorly received, and work from that. Instead, he said "Fuck Relapse" to the public yet we all know he loves Relapse (Or else, why would he have put it out? Same goes for Encore, but Encore the dude was blasted) and went a completely different direction. Had he executed Recovery like he did with Relapse, had the producers create tracks that had that sound he was looking for and Em brought 150% to the table (which he probably did), it'd probably be a classic album.

On SL I see people saying "Oh Em's done" and all that. Tbh, I still think the dude's got life in him. From that interview we know HE knows he's the underdog again. I've still got faith in him.

I'll just quote my older post.

Recovery seemed like he was desperate to give his work that appeal that most of the Music Fans are used to by now.His best has come out with producers who have better understanding of how Eminem operates ,no wonder after listening to Recovery so much we appreciate Relapse so much which has production by Dre.

Recovery seemed like he was desperate to give his work that appeal that most of the Music Fans are used to by now.His best has come out with producers who have better understanding of how Eminem operates ,no wonder after listening to Recovery so much we appreciate Relapse so much which has production by Dre.

Well, I don't agree that he seemed desperate on Recovery. I mean, I can understand if you mean with his production but none of his content was sacrificed by any means. His artistic integrity remains intact after Recovery, despite the excessive hate on this forum, the general music fans like it cuz it feels like an Eminem album - WHICH also bugs me a little bit, that's what Recovery seems like...just a "regular Eminem album" with the typical jokes, aggression, emotion and fucking around.

The production of Relapse was leagues ahead of Recovery, no doubt, Dre's the best to do it. But like I said before, shit beat or not, his lyrics and content were on point. You gotta admit, when Relapse came out, we were expecting emotion or SOMETHING recollective of his previous 5 year hiatus (Which he DID touch upon beautifully in Deja Vu and Beautiful) but for the most part, he was emotionless on Relapse - in the zone of a serial killing, pill popping addict in all fairness though.

Eminem is such an Artist who has remained faithful to Rap and Fans that have held his back all this years and will continue to do so till he is dropping music.He is not that type of a guy who will compromise on the Lyrical front at least.So I'm not saying that he sounded desperate lyrically (Content wise),he once said in a Interview with Dre that "I will never compromise my style for nobody" and I'm glad that he stood by that statement till date.Eminem always did his thing when it came to making music,but seeing the changing taste in music of the fans he also changed(I think).

Relapse saw him doing that same insane shit that he is known for,he worked really hard for that,you can feel it when you listen to Relapse now.But some how the reception that it got when it came out was not up to the par.I think he felt less appreciated for the hard work that he has put in and that was one of the reasons that he changed directions,I guess.

You're right, when it was about to come out we expected some thing that would reflect what he went through in the past 5 years ,but that's not what we got.That's actually how he operates I guess full of surprises.But I remember him mentioning that Relapse 2 would be emotional ,maybe it would have had those songs that we are talking about.Sadly we wont have them now.

With Recovery everything that he did was for it to get a more a mass appeal like Radio Plays and shit.That's a little desperation for me ,really just because of the techno type beats that are making waves in Rap now-a-days he branched out to so many different producers to match the current state of mainstream music scene.

Premo is the catalyst that Eminem needs to use in the future ,both of them haven't worked with each other to know each others comfort zones,but with Eminem showing some interest in his beats can spark the start of a new duo just like Em-Dre & he might be even feel comfortable working with him.

I sure fuckin hope so man The fact that he's with Slaughterhouse and Yela more often also helps, we saw good direction with the production on H:TS and it can only hopefully get better.

D12 will also help, they've always had dope beats they rap on.

Dre,Premo,Mr.Porter,Bass Brothers & some underground Prod on an Album would be Epic.
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[JamaicanPattlez]

Not gonna lie, if Em gets those producers that you mentioned above, that'd be an amazing LP. Have Raekwon, DMX, and maybe Dre/50 on another song, along with that hook Jimmy bought a while ago and we might get something special here.

[Sam.]

Not gonna lie, if Em gets those producers that you mentioned above, that'd be an amazing LP. Have Raekwon, DMX, and maybe Dre/50 on another song, along with that hook Jimmy bought a while ago and we might get something special here.

Those guys have the potential to bring out the best in everyone and Eminem is...well, you know?

[JamaicanPattlez]

Not gonna lie, if Em gets those producers that you mentioned above, that'd be an amazing LP. Have Raekwon, DMX, and maybe Dre/50 on another song, along with that hook Jimmy bought a while ago and we might get something special here.

Those guys have the potential to bring out the best in everyone and Eminem is...well, you know?

Could you imagine if we got some 8Mile-TES shit from this track?