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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 00:54

S.T.A.N. wrote:So snickers paid Em to say some thing snickers?


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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby CrashBand » Sep 14th, '12, 05:26

Eedee wrote:I feel as if that was the point. Because he didn't use it, he put it in our minds in a way he wouldn't have if he had actually said it. Kinda like him rapping: "Saying the word ____" in one of his earlier era songs (can't remember which atm... bleh).

It hits harder because he didn't actually write it but any listener KNOWING Em's recent features and rhyming prowess would absolutely KNOW he thought of it.

I think that's even more genius than putting it in there, IMO.

That is such a massive fucking reach.

You guys are probably reminded because he has used this rhyme scheme before.

"When Shady and Nicki's worlds clash,it's high class meets white trash"
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 05:29

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Eedee wrote:I feel as if that was the point. Because he didn't use it, he put it in our minds in a way he wouldn't have if he had actually said it. Kinda like him rapping: "Saying the word ____" in one of his earlier era songs (can't remember which atm... bleh).

It hits harder because he didn't actually write it but any listener KNOWING Em's recent features and rhyming prowess would absolutely KNOW he thought of it.

I think that's even more genius than putting it in there, IMO.

That is such a massive fucking reach.

You guys are probably reminded because he has used this rhyme scheme before.

"When Shady and Nicki's worlds clash,it's high class meets white trash"


Right.

I meant it as that's his way of not recycling his rhyme schemes from the past BUT enforcing the concept that he's white trash (like in his recent features). *shrug* Sort of a reach but I think it's pretty cool if he meant it like that.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Willy » Sep 14th, '12, 05:34

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Eedee wrote:I feel as if that was the point. Because he didn't use it, he put it in our minds in a way he wouldn't have if he had actually said it. Kinda like him rapping: "Saying the word ____" in one of his earlier era songs (can't remember which atm... bleh).

It hits harder because he didn't actually write it but any listener KNOWING Em's recent features and rhyming prowess would absolutely KNOW he thought of it.

I think that's even more genius than putting it in there, IMO.

That is such a massive fucking reach.

You guys are probably reminded because he has used this rhyme scheme before.

"When Shady and Nicki's worlds clash,it's high class meets white trash"

You just proved his point. If he USED that rhyme scheme already... why would it be "such a massive fucking reach" to assume he wrote the same thing down again and was like "nah.. I can't use it again."


Because that's not what Ed's sayin. He's saying Em slipped it into our minds without saying it on purpose.

There is nothing to support that theory at all though. But I guarantee you he had white trash scribbled somewhere on the page.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 05:40

^ But since he's used it before in his rhyme schemes, any Em fan would know this if they've done their research, etc and known he would've thought of it, thus enforcing his "white trash" concept in his recent features. Either that or he's referencing his Roman's Revenge line and in that way telling us he's white trash.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Willy » Sep 14th, '12, 05:44

Eedee wrote:^ But since he's used it before in his rhyme schemes, any Em fan would know this if they've done their research, etc and known he would've thought of it, thus enforcing his "white trash" concept in his recent features. Either that or he's referencing his Roman's Revenge line and in that way telling us he's white trash.


Dude, there's just no way. lol not a snowball's chance in hell that is what happened when he wrote this
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 05:48

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Eedee wrote:^ But since he's used it before in his rhyme schemes, any Em fan would know this if they've done their research, etc and known he would've thought of it, thus enforcing his "white trash" concept in his recent features. Either that or he's referencing his Roman's Revenge line and in that way telling us he's white trash.


Dude, there's just no way. lol not a snowball's chance in hell that is what happened when he wrote this


His recent features have all been about being white trash (Richard, Throw It Up, HCTW, Throw That, with Our House being the exception). I don't think it's out of the ballpark to think what I'm thinking here.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Willy » Sep 14th, '12, 05:52

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Eedee wrote:^ But since he's used it before in his rhyme schemes, any Em fan would know this if they've done their research, etc and known he would've thought of it, thus enforcing his "white trash" concept in his recent features. Either that or he's referencing his Roman's Revenge line and in that way telling us he's white trash.


Dude, there's just no way. lol not a snowball's chance in hell that is what happened when he wrote this


His recent features have all been about being white trash (Richard, Throw It Up, HCTW, Throw That, with Our House being the exception). I don't think it's out of the ballpark to think what I'm thinking here.


Clever clever... you mentioned ballpark.. a brand of hotdogs.

Any true Eminem fan would know he has been mentioning food a lot recently in his verses. Way to pay homage to our hero. :y:
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 05:59

Nice Straw Man. That's not my argument at all.

My point is, for the umpteenth time, his same rhyme scheme he used for RR he used here, except he didn't include "white trash", which has been a prevalent concept in his recent features. His using the same rhyme scheme could be a reference TO that and the phrase "white trash" from the rhyme scheme could be a way to any learned Em fan that he's still "white trash". It's not out of the ballpark at all. I wouldn't put it past Em to do something like this.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Willy » Sep 14th, '12, 06:08

Eedee wrote:Nice Straw Man. That's not my argument at all.

My point is, for the umpteenth time, his same rhyme scheme he used for RR he used here, except he didn't include "white trash", which has been a prevalent concept in his recent features. His using the same rhyme scheme could be a reference TO that and the phrase "white trash" from the rhyme scheme could be a way to any learned Em fan that he's still "white trash". It's not out of the ballpark at all. I wouldn't put it past Em to do something like this.


Clever clever, you are reusing your ballpark homage to Em..

Clearly a reference to how Eminem keeps reusing concepts in his songs... white trash.. fast food... hoe bashing... you truly are a genius, Ed.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby CrashBand » Sep 14th, '12, 06:14

Geno wrote:
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Eedee wrote:I feel as if that was the point. Because he didn't use it, he put it in our minds in a way he wouldn't have if he had actually said it. Kinda like him rapping: "Saying the word ____" in one of his earlier era songs (can't remember which atm... bleh).

It hits harder because he didn't actually write it but any listener KNOWING Em's recent features and rhyming prowess would absolutely KNOW he thought of it.

I think that's even more genius than putting it in there, IMO.

That is such a massive fucking reach.

You guys are probably reminded because he has used this rhyme scheme before.

"When Shady and Nicki's worlds clash,it's high class meets white trash"

You just proved his point. If he USED that rhyme scheme already... why would it be "such a massive fucking reach" to assume he wrote the same thing down again and was like "nah.. I can't use it again."

That wasn't Eedee's point. That was Menzo's which I dont think was a reach at all.

edit: WillyMo beat me to it.

But since he's used it before in his rhyme schemes, any Em fan would know this if they've done their research, etc and known he would've thought of it, thus enforcing his "white trash" concept in his recent features. Either that or he's referencing his Roman's Revenge line and in that way telling us he's white trash

This is Eedee's theory. Hence why I called it a fucking reach, lmao.

Lol at WillyMo. Eedee that isn't a straw man at all.
He's making fun of you while showing how much of a reach it was.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 06:24

That is a straw man. He took my argument and dumbed it down so he could easily "destroy" it / make fun of it. And it seems he's adding Ad Hominems to his argument for a double logical fallacy! Huzzah!

My point still stands. It might be a reach, yes, but there's also a chance that's what he's doing. I don't see why people are arguing over it. It's an idea about what Em was thinking/doing. It's fun to think about. I really don't think we should be arguing about it!
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby CrashBand » Sep 14th, '12, 06:37

Eminem blatantly wasn't.

And it's not a straw man. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.

Your stance was;
-Em is using a subliminal.
-This is brilliant of Em.
-Even though there is no substantial evidence to back this up.

WillyMo then implied you were giving a subliminal and it was brilliant of you. Although obviously sarcastic and showing how ridiculous your stance is.
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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby Eedee » Sep 14th, '12, 06:42

CrashBand wrote:Eminem blatantly wasn't.

And it's not a straw man. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.

Your stance was;
-Em is using a subliminal.
-This is brilliant of Em.
-Even though there is no substantial evidence to back this up.

WillyMo then implied you were giving a subliminal and it was brilliant of you. Although obviously sarcastic and showing how ridiculous your stance is.


Fair enough.

But my stance isn't ridiculous. I presented an idea and wasn't saying it necessarily is the case. I said that he could be doing this to reinforce his concept of "white trash". COULD. I could be wrong, yes. All I'm saying is that my theory could be true and he could be doing this on purpose. Who knows.

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Re: HCTW Verse Discussion

Postby CrashBand » Sep 14th, '12, 06:48

Eedee wrote:Holy shit.


Wasn't meaning to come hard on you. :b:

I could be wrong, yes. All I'm saying is that my theory could be true and he could be doing this on purpose. Who knows.

Hmmmmm.....Maybe we haven't been giving creationists enough credit after all.
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