Can someone justify why or how

[King Lance]

I've been reading you guys for almost 2 years now, I don't know blu as well as you but I can't blame him if he really wants to troll .
He created what it seems to be a serious thread (I wanted to create the same thread tbh) and the first answers were like " Eminem renegaded jay-z coz eminem is a better rapper"

the thread became serious after several posts lol.

I know it's an Eminem's forum but we don't rly need a forum if it's only to say "eminem is the best, ok thx bye /thread", let's just open a single thread named "Eminem - news" then

[whiteamerica2]

Blu why are you a member of this forum? everyone knows eminem outshined jay z on this song :P

[Blu]

I know you're an Eminem fan, but you're one of those members who start out as a Stan, but once you realise that to be cool, you have to hate and question everything Eminem does, and you have to like what the dudes in HHD likes. That's main recipe in this forum, and you're just following the same thing as many other members has done. It's not like what you are doing is unique.

I'm not trying to be "cool". If was I was trying to be "cool" then I would be running around acting like I'm the biggest stan on the site. You're actually missing the whole point of this thread, I was testing to see if most people here just hop on a bandwagon and go with what everyone else says.

And btw, I'm not preaching hate or just spewing random insults at others, my words are backed up rationally.

Jeez.

You're pretty much new here and don't know Blu or the kind of poster he is. So you wouldn't understand.

LOL, I like how you make me out to be some villain or monster on this site. Lance is completely right, it's a simple question that I want answered from you fellas but apparently you all either A) don't take it seriously or B) call me a "troll" and annoying when I make a thread comparing Em to x artist or anything like that.

[kingmathers85]

Blu ban this troll/hater.As for Lance, I can imagine it w/o Hov, it's called Renegade '99 featuring Royce (original) & deserved to be on MMLP! Geno is right, if you not trolling then why not post a valid reason to oppose Rev & Geno's analysis? I have yet to see Blu make one positive comment on Em's music so he's no fan IMO plus, my reasoning is that Em can write Jay's verses but Jay cannot write Em's! Mind you, Jay is my 2nd fave rapper of all-time so my opinion is valid
P.S. Em had the best verse on Renegade...& the 2nd best

[Fleka]

rhyming/flow/content

[Insidious91]

So far I have seen only one good point made and that was towards Jay outshining Em.

Because there's nothing to say. Em and Jay both have great content but Em makes it 10x more lyrical and flows way smoother. He's more enjoyable to listen to and doesn't sacrifice anything he's saying for rhymes or flow.

Basically, end of story.

Imagine a full album on the same calibre as Em's verses on this song. I wonder if he could pull it off if he put his mind to it when he was still in that era of dropping sick verses.

[Blu]

So far I have seen only one good point made and that was towards Jay outshining Em.

Because there's nothing to say. Em and Jay both have great content but Em makes it 10x more lyrical and flows way smoother. He's more enjoyable to listen to and doesn't sacrifice anything he's saying for rhymes or flow.

That's all subjective though. Saying Em makes it 10x more enjoyable. Lol I could say the same thing about Hov on the track. He makes it 10x more enjoyable. And what exactly did Jay sacrifice for rhymes or flow?

[Accor]

em being 10x more lyrical isn't a fact if that's what you were referring to

[sbolli1]

The way in which Eminem uses the assonant sounds of "u" and "air' throughout the entire first verse while at the same time actually making sense and making good points is why he is better than Jay.

[Kill You]

Ugh, you always bitch when people give you shit for your opinions and yet when we comment on this thread WE get shit from you. Yes everyone has their opinions and you can think Jay-Z is the greatest rapper of all time all you want (lol). That doesn't mean that we have to agree with it or stop liking Eminem just to please you. You bring out the "opinion" card quit often, yet you seem like you're not even interested in our opinions at all. Why make the thread then?

[kkaniff]

rap genius had an article about this.the article itself was shit but beth harts reply was spot on.

[EminemBase]

Because he has better lyrics (more eloquent, humorous and better writing; in terms of rhymes and phrasing), flow (smoother, more constructed, more rhythmic) and delivery (enunciation and pronunciation are clearer, louder and he emphasizes and dramatizes his lines more).

Em's vocal presence alone makes him a domineering presence on that track, Jay sounds pale in comparison. Then when you get in to the lyrics? another story.

Em is equal parts poetic; tongue-in-cheek, political, self-deprecating, self-analyzing and has a writer's flair to his phrasing. I like Jay's verses, but they're nowhere near as noteworthy.

Em's thoughts and phrasing, are more original and more unique. Jay threaded some political and poetic elements through his verses too, they just weren't as striking. Jay glosses over points, Em hammers them in to your skull with rhythmic bliss.

But if you don't think so, then, just don't think so. If you prefer Jay's verses, great. But I think anybody with a clear grasp and understanding of literacy and why Em's writing is so outstanding, in particular on that track, can plainly hear why those verses are better.

[Squiggles123]

Here's my reasoning, it's simple: I enjoy Eminem's flow and lyrics more on the song. The flow is much more pleasing to my ear than Jay's is, and everything about the lyrics (especially the second verse) hits harder than Jay's, for me.

I'm not saying Eminem did better. I'm saying I enjoy Eminem more on the song (and in general, but that's beside the point).

This.

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This.

Because he has better lyrics (more eloquent, humorous and better writing; in terms of rhymes and phrasing), flow (smoother, more constructed, more rhythmic) and delivery (enunciation and pronunciation are clearer, louder and he emphasizes and dramatizes his lines more).

Em's vocal presence alone makes him a domineering presence on that track, Jay sounds pale in comparison. Then when you get in to the lyrics? another story.

Em is equal parts poetic; tongue-in-cheek, political, self-deprecating, self-analyzing and has a writer's flair to his phrasing. I like Jay's verses, but they're nowhere near as noteworthy.

Em's thoughts and phrasing, are more original and more unique. Jay threaded some political and poetic elements through his verses too, they just weren't as striking. Jay glosses over points, Em hammers them in to your skull with rhythmic bliss.

But if you don't think so, then, just don't think so. If you prefer Jay's verses, great. But I think anybody with a clear grasp and understanding of literacy and why Em's writing is so outstanding, in particular on that track, can plainly hear why those verses are better.

Great points, at the end of the day though it's just what sounds better to you. I think Em's writing is a lot more lucrative then Jay's is in this song though. I believe the majority of hip hop fans would agree Em was better then Jay.

[Table]

It was a murder, a blatant case of homicide. Nope, Jay Z wasn't even close to touching Eminem on that record even though he himself came up with two of the best verses of his entire career - his verses still can't hold a candle to Em's. Eminem flowed like a violin over a beat with similar orchestration. His rhyming was much more cohesive and natural even though he rhymed much denser than Jay did, and that too with a mind addling rhyme scheme and a charismatic delivery. Subject matter wise, Em was spot on. The things he decided to speak on were much more relevant to the theme of the song (being a renegade). Not saying Jay's weren't but just not as much as Em's were. Lyrically, the only even arguable quotient, I believe Em topped Jay with his extended and much more complex in nature metaphors (lol @ that RG article, read Beth Hart's comment on there. She owns the OP big time) and witty lines fueled by irony and satire. Probably a troll thread but I'll post regardless.

[NeonGameWave]

Jay was good on that song, but Em just takes it to a whole new level with his flow, rhyming and verbal energy. I agree, Em was better than Jay but that`s just me.