Should Tech and Krizz be in Slaughterhouse?

[Snakebeast]

I understand that much from Rapgenius. But the thing is, if we just take these lines as they are and disregard that we already know the verse is about his music, these lines make no sense whatsoever.

but why would you do that?

Why WOULDN'T I do that? I'm judging the music and the music only.

Once again, given the verse ONLY and nothing else, I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about. I am given no context, nor am I given any idea of what this "remedy" is for. For all I know, Tech could secretly be a doctor, handing out medicine for free but getting slammed by people who don't understand that he's just trying to help.

but you can't take away the dudes entire context given that it's on a tech n9ne album. tech has been mentioning this jeff weiss incident for years, this time he just made a full verse it. and it's not like he could've done it back in 2009 because he hadn't heard fragile yet, no beat had told him to write it until this one. which is techs method, the beats tell him what to do.

"This is just the way Tech works" is not a valid excuse. So what if he's been mentioning this shit for years? What if I'm a new fan, and I'm trying to get into his music? Should I catch up on my recent Tech history first? And if the incident was back 09, even if I knew already about the incident, it wouldn't be implausible that I'd forget about it after 4 fucking years. In fact, why is TECH still so fucking pissed about it?

The fuck does that mean?

To fan someone away. It's a common term. It's like get out of my face.

I understand that much, but the "grands to pay" part just throws me off.

You still haven't explained what the fuck he's talking about. You just repeated what I'm saying, which is that his "jam" (once again, I think he means a song, but you can never be sure with Tech) is deaf and impeccable, but what does that MEAN? It makes no sense.

Okay I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. Which is fine. Again it's 'def' not 'deaf'. def is like dope.

No, English IS my first language, and after extensive reading into the lyrics, I can kind of make sense of it. But how the fuck am I supposed to know he means "def"? And who says "def" anyways? Why not say "definitely" like a normal person? Also, on rapgenius it says deaf, so eh.

How is he not switching topics? He was talking about how other underground artists are (in general) "slammed" by critics, then suddenly, he's talking about his personal experience.

His personal experience of being slammed by critics. How is that a change of subject?

First subject: How underground artists (not just Tech) get slammed by critics

Second subject: How Tech himself gets unfairly critiqued

Once again, fuck that. I want to be able to decipher the verse without having to catch up on the latest edition of "The Adventures of Tech N9ne". And even WITH that, the line STILL doesn't make any sense. In fact, that article can only be applied to the next couple of lines.

You don't have to catch up on anything, tech has been talking about this incident for years. Also your quote is wrong it's "by the Times it'll be better leaving in the store". He's saying that the guy who wrote the article has no actual perspective on tech's performance and thus it's best to just ignore him.

Tech's been talking about this incident for years. Well, GREAT. How would I know he has been? I listen to Tech, but I'm no avid Tech fan. Maybe at least name-dropping Jeff would've helped. And how the hell am I supposed to know he's talking about the Times?

Furthermore, wasn't the guy criticizing his performance on the stage, not his actual music? And leave WHAT in the store. Before you say anything, yes, I know he's talking about his music, but Tech doesn't fucking tell us.

No, they don't. More evidence comes from the fact that the words "Jeff" and "Weiss" don't appear ANYWHERE on this track. How am I supposed to know that he's talking about this ONE LINE that ONE CRITIC said about him in ONE ARTICLE?

Because assuming you're buying an album this deep into his career, you're probably familiar with some of his older stuff. Wouldn't it be worse if he spent half of every album getting everybody up to date? That'd be ridiculous dude come on.

If, for example, I suddenly bought Recovery (which I'd say is "deep" into Em's career) without hearing his prior shit. I'd be able to tell that he's talking about drug addiction on Going Through Changes.

However, Tech doesn't let us know that he's talking about one issue that he had all the way back in 09. How the fuck am I supposed to know any of this, even if I DID know about this Jeff Weiss issue?

Excuse me for getting off-topic, but I'd like to elaborate on this, actually. Why does Tech insist on making entire verses, or in the case of Fortune Force Field, AN ENTIRE FUCKING SONG stretching out one tiny issue? So this ONE GUY criticized you. With one line. Get the fuck over it, Tech. Anyways, back to the song.

These aren't tiny issues. And the guy who criticized him did so in a hugely popular magazine that belongs to a town he lives in. It was a very big deal.

You're telling me that the LA Times are a hugely popular magazine in Kansas City? I don't know much about the magazine, but it appears to be from LA

How is it a big deal? The guy just mentioned once that he thought that Tech was lip-syncing. Instead of having a tantrum over it, why didn't he calmly have a discussion with the guy or even invite him to a performance to prove him wrong?

"hopes for your demise"? What is Tech talking about? Is he saying that HE hopes for the critic's demise? Well, no. He wouldn't say "your" then. Maybe the critic is hoping for Tech's demise, but that wouldn't make any sense, either. One line in a single review isn't exactly "hoping for Tech's demise". And why would Tech say "your" instead of "my"?

He's saying the critic is a hater who hopes for the demise of others. How are you not getting this?

No, I understand what he means, but I'm saying it makes no SENSE, and his phrasing is awkward and shitty. How would one line in a single review be a critic hating on Tech and hoping for his demise? Especially

You sure?

chizzel
A dancing banana with two heads. All chizzels are chinks, but not all chinks are chizzels

chizzel
To chizzel is not just to make statue art, but also a code word for shoplifting. One who is in the store would imply that "they would chizzel that" and usually do.

chizzel
chiz has a weener that looks like a snitzel,a little chiz would be a disaster. Chiz has scrot rot and gives anal to passing homosexuals.

Yes I'm sure. Not sure where you're getting these definitions from though

Since the word "chizzel doesn't exist in the dictionary, I checked urban dictionary, which is where I got these definitions.

[Elision]

I understand that much from Rapgenius. But the thing is, if we just take these lines as they are and disregard that we already know the verse is about his music, these lines make no sense whatsoever.

but why would you do that?

Why WOULDN'T I do that? I'm judging the music and the music only.

Because that's like going to watch Saw 7 and yelling at the screen because you don't understand what's going on and why. Nobody likes that person.

Once again, given the verse ONLY and nothing else, I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about. I am given no context, nor am I given any idea of what this "remedy" is for. For all I know, Tech could secretly be a doctor, handing out medicine for free but getting slammed by people who don't understand that he's just trying to help.

but you can't take away the dudes entire context given that it's on a tech n9ne album. tech has been mentioning this jeff weiss incident for years, this time he just made a full verse it. and it's not like he could've done it back in 2009 because he hadn't heard fragile yet, no beat had told him to write it until this one. which is techs method, the beats tell him what to do.

"This is just the way Tech works" is not a valid excuse. So what if he's been mentioning this shit for years? What if I'm a new fan, and I'm trying to get into his music? Should I catch up on my recent Tech history first? And if the incident was back 09, even if I knew already about the incident, it wouldn't be implausible that I'd forget about it after 4 fucking years. In fact, why is TECH still so fucking pissed about it?

Yes, in that case you should catch up on your tech history. And he doesn't seem pissed as much as he does hurt by the situation. that's why him and jeff weiss had a sit-down together after the song released.

The fuck does that mean?

To fan someone away. It's a common term. It's like get out of my face.

I understand that much, but the "grands to pay" part just throws me off.

artists coming up typically have to pay radio stations to get their shit played, the same way you would pay for TV/commercial time.

You still haven't explained what the fuck he's talking about. You just repeated what I'm saying, which is that his "jam" (once again, I think he means a song, but you can never be sure with Tech) is deaf and impeccable, but what does that MEAN? It makes no sense.

Okay I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. Which is fine. Again it's 'def' not 'deaf'. def is like dope.

No, English IS my first language, and after extensive reading into the lyrics, I can kind of make sense of it. But how the fuck am I supposed to know he means "def"? And who says "def" anyways? Why not say "definitely" like a normal person? Also, on rapgenius it says deaf, so eh.

How is he not switching topics? He was talking about how other underground artists are (in general) "slammed" by critics, then suddenly, he's talking about his personal experience.

His personal experience of being slammed by critics. How is that a change of subject?

First subject: How underground artists (not just Tech) get slammed by critics

Second subject: How Tech himself gets unfairly critiqued

Subject: unjust criticism. This is what the whole song is about.

Once again, fuck that. I want to be able to decipher the verse without having to catch up on the latest edition of "The Adventures of Tech N9ne". And even WITH that, the line STILL doesn't make any sense. In fact, that article can only be applied to the next couple of lines.

You don't have to catch up on anything, tech has been talking about this incident for years. Also your quote is wrong it's "by the Times it'll be better leaving in the store". He's saying that the guy who wrote the article has no actual perspective on tech's performance and thus it's best to just ignore him.

Tech's been talking about this incident for years. Well, GREAT. How would I know he has been? I listen to Tech, but I'm no avid Tech fan. Maybe at least name-dropping Jeff would've helped.

He has on many occasions. http://youtu.be/rhsaV42tPZI?t=2m13s

And how the hell am I supposed to know he's talking about the Times?

Because he says it the fucking lyric dude

And leave WHAT in the store.

the LA Times magazine dude. the Times. There's a Times magazine for every major city in the US. what are you not getting here? do you want him to spell it for you?

No, they don't. More evidence comes from the fact that the words "Jeff" and "Weiss" don't appear ANYWHERE on this track. How am I supposed to know that he's talking about this ONE LINE that ONE CRITIC said about him in ONE ARTICLE?

Because assuming you're buying an album this deep into his career, you're probably familiar with some of his older stuff. Wouldn't it be worse if he spent half of every album getting everybody up to date? That'd be ridiculous dude come on.

If, for example, I suddenly bought Recovery (which I'd say is "deep" into Em's career) without hearing his prior shit. I'd be able to tell that he's talking about drug addiction on Going Through Changes.

Definitely. But you wouldn't know who the names are in the track, nor who is best friend was, nor would you know he's referring to kim in the final verse.

However, Tech doesn't let us know that he's talking about one issue that he had all the way back in 09. How the fuck am I supposed to know any of this, even if I DID know about this Jeff Weiss issue?

Yes he does. He says "he has never been at a show, by the times - it'll be better leaving in the store". I knew exactly who it was about right there.

Excuse me for getting off-topic, but I'd like to elaborate on this, actually. Why does Tech insist on making entire verses, or in the case of Fortune Force Field, AN ENTIRE FUCKING SONG stretching out one tiny issue? So this ONE GUY criticized you. With one line. Get the fuck over it, Tech. Anyways, back to the song.

These aren't tiny issues. And the guy who criticized him did so in a hugely popular magazine that belongs to a town he lives in. It was a very big deal.

You're telling me that the LA Times are a hugely popular magazine in Kansas City? I don't know much about the magazine, but it appears to be from LA

tech has a home in LA genius.

How is it a big deal? The guy just mentioned once that he thought that Tech was lip-syncing. Instead of having a tantrum over it, why didn't he calmly have a discussion with the guy or even invite him to a performance to prove him wrong?

tech didn't have a tantrum, we would've heard a tantrum had he made a track about it back in 09 immediately following the incident. and he did have a discussion with the guy, he invited him out to have a drink and thanked him for the inspiration.

"hopes for your demise"? What is Tech talking about? Is he saying that HE hopes for the critic's demise? Well, no. He wouldn't say "your" then. Maybe the critic is hoping for Tech's demise, but that wouldn't make any sense, either. One line in a single review isn't exactly "hoping for Tech's demise". And why would Tech say "your" instead of "my"?

He's saying the critic is a hater who hopes for the demise of others. How are you not getting this?

No, I understand what he means, but I'm saying it makes no SENSE, and his phrasing is awkward and shitty. How would one line in a single review be a critic hating on Tech and hoping for his demise? Especially

Because that's what a hater is. They want to see you fail. They hope for your demise.

Since the word "chizzel doesn't exist in the dictionary, I checked urban dictionary, which is where I got these definitions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chizzle

[Just Silver]

They should just put yelawolf with slaughter

[Elision]

This reminds me of when rauL was the only person defending AdeLe ExarphoLLLLLL or whatever the fuck her name is.

I never saw that thread but I think it's safe to assume that was a matter of opinion, but are you actually reading anything I'm saying? I'm not basing any of my posts on opinion. Therefor your comparison is likely moot. I could give so little of a fuck whether or not anybody here likes someone else's music, but you can't base your opinion on outright falsehoods.
That's how wars and shit get started

[Elision]

This reminds me of when rauL was the only person defending AdeLe ExarphoLLLLLL or whatever the fuck her name is.

I never saw that thread but I think it's safe to assume that was a matter of opinion, but are you actually reading anything I'm saying? I'm not basing any of my posts on opinion. Therefor your comparison is likely moot. I could give so little of a fuck whether or not anybody here likes someone else's music, but you can't base your opinion on outright falsehoods.
That's how wars and shit get started

It's more in line with how you are the only one defending Tech and everyone else isn't. I think the Tech hate on here is a bit exaggerated, but it's well known that Tech compromises depth in his lyricism for flow and multis.

I never said this wasn't the case. In fact it hasn't even been brought up

[Elision]

Yes it has...

Everyone has said that the best thing about Tech's verse is his flow as the lyricism is hollow.

Nope, hasn't been said here homie. And it's not. What part of the verse is hollow?

[Elision]

in fact i challenge you to find me one feature verse that he didn't renegade.

I can think of three recent ones in my opinion:

Juice and the RA track are awesome from everyone involved, but tech definitely bodied the underworld. and not even because he was that amazing but because everyone else sucked. I think it's funny how he faked RA out though, like RA tried to do a whole tech style but tech was like na fuck that and did something totally different

edit: and actually when you look at the lyrics for juice i think it's pretty clear who took that one. techs verse sounds like gibberish bullshit at first listen but it's actually thoroughly solid, which is hard to pull off with such a crazy flow. might be worth nothing that "Ike" means his uncle ike. but that's not to take away from ubi/godemis they're incredible.

[Snakebeast]

Why WOULDN'T I do that? I'm judging the music and the music only.

Because that's like going to watch Saw 7 and yelling at the screen because you don't understand what's going on and why. Nobody likes that person

Christ a-fucking-live. THIS ISN'T A SEQUEL. This is an ALBUM from a RAPPER. Not only is this issue from 4 YEARS AGO (at the time of Something Else's release) but even if I DID keep up with every fucking thing Tech has done in the past couple of years, there is STILL no indication that he's talking about Jeff Weiss. He doesn't even MENTION the fucker's name in his goddamn song.

but you can't take away the dudes entire context given that it's on a tech n9ne album. tech has been mentioning this jeff weiss incident for years, this time he just made a full verse it. and it's not like he could've done it back in 2009 because he hadn't heard fragile yet, no beat had told him to write it until this one. which is techs method, the beats tell him what to do.

"This is just the way Tech works" is not a valid excuse. So what if he's been mentioning this shit for years? What if I'm a new fan, and I'm trying to get into his music? Should I catch up on my recent Tech history first? And if the incident was back 09, even if I knew already about the incident, it wouldn't be implausible that I'd forget about it after 4 fucking years. In fact, why is TECH still so fucking pissed about it?

Yes, in that case you should catch up on your tech history. And he doesn't seem pissed as much as he does hurt by the situation. that's why him and jeff weiss had a sit-down together after the song released.

Really? Not pissed? "I'm real, I'm mad" doesn't sound like he's pissed? And once again, I shouldn't have to read up on my damn Tech history to at least get the gist of what he's talking about.

To fan someone away. It's a common term. It's like get out of my face.

I understand that much, but the "grands to pay" part just throws me off.

artists coming up typically have to pay radio stations to get their shit played, the same way you would pay for TV/commercial time.

Completely missing my point. The way he phrases it makes it fucking difficult as shit to understand what he's trying to tell the listener. Not only that, but how could you possibly figure that? He never mentions that it's rappers paying money to radio stations; in fact, he doesn't mention radio stations at all.

Okay I think it's safe to assume english isn't your first language. Which is fine. Again it's 'def' not 'deaf'. def is like dope.

No, English IS my first language, and after extensive reading into the lyrics, I can kind of make sense of it. But how the fuck am I supposed to know he means "def"? And who says "def" anyways? Why not say "definitely" like a normal person? Also, on rapgenius it says deaf, so eh.

But Mos Def doesn't rap incoherently and pointlessly quickly. Furthermore, I think it's far more common for someone to say "deaf" than "def". Finally, all he says is that the "jam will lay scripted" (an already hard-to-understand, stupidly phrased line) and that something is def/deaf and impeccable (of course, he doesn't say "it's, so he can't be talking about his "jam", now, can he? Note: this is sarcasm. I am implying that Tech is so bad with English that mst of his lines are practically gibberish. Please take it as such.).

How is he not switching topics? He was talking about how other underground artists are (in general) "slammed" by critics, then suddenly, he's talking about his personal experience.

His personal experience of being slammed by critics. How is that a change of subject?

First subject: How underground artists (not just Tech) get slammed by critics

Second subject: How Tech himself gets unfairly critiqued

Subject: unjust criticism. This is what the whole song is about.[/quote]
So is it about his personal experience with criticism or just unjust criticism in general? You don't seem sure.

You don't have to catch up on anything, tech has been talking about this incident for years. Also your quote is wrong it's "by the Times it'll be better leaving in the store". He's saying that the guy who wrote the article has no actual perspective on tech's performance and thus it's best to just ignore him.

Tech's been talking about this incident for years. Well, GREAT. How would I know he has been? I listen to Tech, but I'm no avid Tech fan. Maybe at least name-dropping Jeff would've helped.

He has on many occasions. http://youtu.be/rhsaV42tPZI?t=2m13s

I SHOULDN'T have to know that to understand what Tech is talking about. If he had name-dropped the critic or at least addressed that the specific criticism given to him was bullshit (notice how Tech doesn't even mention what the criticism was. All he basically says is that "u dun listen to my music properly so u dumb poopy head critic".

And leave WHAT in the store.

the LA Times magazine dude. the Times. There's a Times magazine for every major city in the US. what are you not getting here? do you want him to spell it for you?

First of all, how am I supposed to know he's talking about the TIMES MAGAZINE? All he says is "times" after "by the", leading the listener to think that he means "by the time". Not only that, but you expect me to get that he means "you should leave the Times in the store and not buy it" from "By the times it'll be better, leave it in the sto"? I know rap doesn't have to have terrific sentence structure, but this is pure bullshit.

Because assuming you're buying an album this deep into his career, you're probably familiar with some of his older stuff. Wouldn't it be worse if he spent half of every album getting everybody up to date? That'd be ridiculous dude come on.

If, for example, I suddenly bought Recovery (which I'd say is "deep" into Em's career) without hearing his prior shit. I'd be able to tell that he's talking about drug addiction on Going Through Changes.

Definitely. But you wouldn't know who the names are in the track, nor who is best friend was, nor would you know he's referring to kim in the final verse.

Actually, I would. He does mention Proof on the song, and it's fairly obvious (by the end of the second verse) that Proof is the friend he's talking about. he also talks about specific things that happened, so that it'd be very easy to look up what happened. On the other hand, not only does Tech not mention Jeff Weiss on this song, but he doesn't even mention the criticism he's oh-so-pissed about.

However, Tech doesn't let us know that he's talking about one issue that he had all the way back in 09. How the fuck am I supposed to know any of this, even if I DID know about this Jeff Weiss issue?

Yes he does. He says "he has never been at a show, by the times - it'll be better leaving in the store". I knew exactly who it was about right there.

YOU knew, because you're a huge Tech fan. But even I, someone who has listened to a fair amount of Tech, had no idea what the fuck he was talking about.

These aren't tiny issues. And the guy who criticized him did so in a hugely popular magazine that belongs to a town he lives in. It was a very big deal.

You're telling me that the LA Times are a hugely popular magazine in Kansas City? I don't know much about the magazine, but it appears to be from LA

tech has a home in LA genius.

Once again, am I supposed to KNOW the location of every house Tech lives in?

How is it a big deal? The guy just mentioned once that he thought that Tech was lip-syncing. Instead of having a tantrum over it, why didn't he calmly have a discussion with the guy or even invite him to a performance to prove him wrong?

tech didn't have a tantrum, we would've heard a tantrum had he made a track about it back in 09 immediately following the incident. and he did have a discussion with the guy, he invited him out to have a drink and thanked him for the inspiration.

No, this is definitely a tantrum. He's talking about some random critic (from back in 09, I'd like to say once again) who said a single line critiquing his performance skills.

He's saying the critic is a hater who hopes for the demise of others. How are you not getting this?

No, I understand what he means, but I'm saying it makes no SENSE, and his phrasing is awkward and shitty. How would one line in a single review be a critic hating on Tech and hoping for his demise? Especially

Because that's what a hater is. They want to see you fail. They hope for your demise.

Since when does Jeff state that he wants "Tech's demise" or see him fail? It's a single fucking review.

[King Lance]

[DƎRDYPK]

mmmm

[Atone]

Saying Rappity Rap makes you sound like an old geezer

[Notalius]

Tech absolutely bodied RA. RA's flow is just .. uggh

[CanadaPure]

Saying Rappity Rap makes you sound like an old geezer

I'm like 45, also Lance, I removed the auto-play from your video. That aint allowed no mo.

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[PAINKILLƎR]

[Elision]

some more bullshit

y'know man, i'd reply to you again if i didn't have the feeling that you're just gonna be angry no matter what. this is getting nowhere regardless of what facts are presented to you. you'll just dig your heels in and continue to bend and mold this struggle argument till you die, you're like a fox news republican, chill the fuck out dude. and stop playing stupid.