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Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby DrRapid » Sep 13th, '09, 21:15

Drunkendeath wrote:
Boston wrote:drunk, your fucking retarded kid. i feel like punching you through the screen



That's not possible.

If it were he would of done so already.
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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby Joe M » Sep 14th, '09, 22:52

Anyone see that video 'The obama deception', or whatever it's called.

according to that, he has gone back on every single promise he made when he was running for prez.
KRS one said the only reason he got in is because the 'higher powers' in the governement wanted him in because americans were on the verge of a revolution because of Bush and the bullshit war, etc, and a black president would reassure them.


meh...
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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby Shady'baby. » Sep 14th, '09, 23:14

Joe M wrote:Anyone see that video 'The obama deception', or whatever it's called.

according to that, he has gone back on every single promise he made when he was running for prez.
KRS one said the only reason he got in is because the 'higher powers' in the governement wanted him in because americans were on the verge of a revolution because of Bush and the bullshit war, etc, and a black president would reassure them.


meh...


Ive seen it Bilderberg wtf.
And they put Obama as president cuz hes got a black face, and they need to invade africa, thats what the movie wanted us to believe atleast.
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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby Joe M » Sep 14th, '09, 23:41

Bilderbergh! that's what it was.
and the shit about democrats and republicans working together and everything is fake.

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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby aceboogie1985 » Sep 19th, '09, 04:38

FIRST OF ALL,

OBAMA ISNT GOD! MOST OF YALL TALK LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS ALMIGHTY SAVOIR FROM GOD. LOOK IM IN THE US ARMY AND IM CURRENTLY IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW FOR THE SECOND TIME! THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THINGS IS TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS. I FEEL THATS OBAMA IS TRYING TO DO "TRYING"----WITH A JOB LIKE HIS THATS ALL YOU CAN DO IS TRY, I DONT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS HES DOING, BUT I DO BELEAVE HE WILL BE A VERY GOOD PRESIDENT. DID YOU KNOW PRESIDENT OBAMA CUT ALL SOLDIERS PAY JUST SO AMERICAN CITIZENS CAN GET PAID MORE, SINCE HE DID THAT WE AS AMERICAN SOLDIERS FIGHTING FOR THIS COUNTRY OF OURS, CIVILIANS GET PAID WAY MORE OVER THAN WE DO AND ITS REDICOULOUS. WE RISK OUR LIVES OVER HERE, FOR WHAT? FOR PPL THAT DONT GO OUTSIDE THE WIRE AND RISK THEIR OWN BODYS TO HELP US AGAINST "TERRORISM" IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLZ UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY, THE MORAL OF WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT " LIFE IS NEVER FAIR"
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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby kalbird » Sep 19th, '09, 06:39

Drunkendeath wrote:Okay, I know Bush did terrible things that ruined more countries than just America, and while Obama was in a competition against Hillary and McCain, he seemed like a nice guy and was trying to make everyone feel inspired and feel good and confident that HE would fix everything in America. He said "as soon as I'm in office"... he said was going to fix a lot. He won the election.

Obama has officially became president earlier this year, months ago. We have hardly heard from him since. He is no longer trying to sound like he is talking to you when you hear his voice on the TV or the radio. No more sereneful music. No more saying he is going to get things done quick. He hasn't done much.

Obama let people who were illegally in the USA vote. And right now he is not going to cover them with health insurance? Did he let them vote just so that he could get more votes with his inspirational speeches?

WITHOUT COMPARING OBAMA TO BUSH, would you say Obama is a good, or bad president?
I think u are being unrealistic!! He is totally a good president. u don't wake up and do everything in one day!
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Re: Is Obama a bad president without comparing him to Bush?

Postby Ice_Scarred » Sep 19th, '09, 08:35

Shady Babie wrote:Bush 2.0

I like nothing this guy has done. Were still in this damn war, spending more than ever, Illegal immigrants are still flooding in, and nothing has been improved in our health care system. Change would already have happened if the far left wasn't insisting on a single payer system. Let's not even go there....

I'm not saying that I expected him to fix anything, or that it even could be fixed, but the guy just bugs me. :b:


Let me point some things out:

1. The War will cannot be ended this quickly. If we evacuate too early we leave ourselves vulnerable and the task will not be fulfilled. Obama promised to bring our troops home. People are quick to say he lied about that. People do not seem to understand the time this takes. People expected Obama to just come into office and fix everything as soon as he got in there. Obama had made the fact that it would take time clear during his election and is making it clear now.

2. I do agree with you partially on the spending debacle. The Stimulus package that had been issued had Governmental spending up at an all-time high. With our Countries debt and huge defecit it almost seems like a terrible move. However, if you look at the Dow Jones and examine the Economy, we are slowly but steadily progressing and even though we still stay in a deep hole, we ARE progressing and hopefully we continue this. The Stimulus package has been pretty successful thus far and I am waiting for the full effect this will bring.

3. Immigration is a whole other story. Again, this can not be fixed at rapid speed. Our border patrol is said to be "maximizing security", and while none of this as far as I know has been proven, Illegal Immigration has maintained a stabilized decrease. It has not ended and when a more direct attack on the issue is delivered, only than can we truly put a halt to this.

4. Our health care system has not changed. You know why? Because our bill for reform has not been passed. Mixed criticisms have heavily influenced the state in which the bill is in and as an overall package the bill is the most decent one I have seen proposed so far. Pre-exisiting medical conditions can not be penalized by your insurer, affordable Care delivered in the fashion of MediCade and MediCare will be avalible, etc. seems to be a good deal for America and especially its many Middle Class workers who still stay uninsured do to the heavy prices of Medical insurance.

President Obama so far has not been terrible, fantastic, or idiotic. For me he has remained on neutral ground and given the cards he was dealt and the amount of time passed so far I would like to compliment him on the work he is doing and his call for bipartisanship (knowing he is an extreme leftist, it is remarkable to see this and I am happy he is calling for it). Reversing the damage is a hard thing to do and in the next 3 years I would hope to see much more progress being made. We're not even fully into his first year of presidency and we are automatically deeming him a terrible President because "Change" wasn't delivered "Quick" enough.

Clinton's approval rating was 36% in the middle of his first year in Office, and his final first term approval rating was 64%. Obama is only struggling with a 49%, no telling what he can do in this next 3 years. Be optimistic and hope for the best.
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