25 to Life is the song with

[xRas]

Love it

[classthe_king]

It's one of my favorites of all time by him too. So why did it do so shit on the "Ranking Marshall" poll? Sometimes I think people just don't want to believe that his new songs are as good as his older stuff, so will always vote in favor of his older material coz its seen as "classic" while his new stuff isn't.... yet.

Trshady in a nutshell.

Don't you dare bash TES or the MMLP.

As much as I love TES and MMLP, this is so true.

Maybe it's because his old stuff does shit on his new stuff

[Berry]

Maybe it's because his old stuff does shit on his new stuff

Hairjordan is your dupe isn't it?

[MikeNUFC]

To be fair his old stuff does shit on his newer stuff. In almost every aspect.

Not that I'm expecting it to be better, just saying.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

My absolute favorite song on Recovery, without a doubt. It is the perfect song. I like how it misleads the listener, then surprise at the end. It is one of Em's few masterpieces, the lyrics are killer, the hook is great, Em's flow is insane

[HereHere]

To be fair his old stuff does shit on his newer stuff. In almost every aspect.

Not that I'm expecting it to be better, just saying.

If you're talking about MMLP and TES, then I agree. But SSLP doesn't come close to Recovery, that's just my opinion though.

Anyhoo, that wasn't what I was meaning. People seem to overlook the faults on his early work but nitpick his new work.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

To be fair his old stuff does shit on his newer stuff. In almost every aspect.

Not that I'm expecting it to be better, just saying.

If you're talking about MMLP and TES, then I agree. But SSLP doesn't come close to Recovery, that's just my opinion though.

Anyhoo, that wasn't what I was meaning. People seem to overlook the faults on his early work but nitpick his new work.

I notice that too. I like Recovery WAY more than SSLP. The raps and lyrics were good, but his nasally voice just annoyed the shit out of me. I can't listen to SSLP all the way through like I can his other albums. His other albums I can at least listen to every single song and not HAVE to skip it. On SSLP there's several songs that I just can't listen to. I don't get why some Em fans (some, not most) hate Recovery, Recovery has everything any Em fan would want. It has some serious material, some personal songs, it has a love song with an Eminem twist to it, and it has some funny, Shady-like songs. What is there not to like?

[Pllumi]

it's a great song, but since we're talking 'bout the album as well, I do agree mmlp/tes outdo recovery, mostly on the replay value, not saying recovery's got no replay value though.

[MikeNUFC]

SSLP is my favourite Eminem album.

He didnt waste a line on that entire CD. The multies were just extraordinary and his storytelling skills are on another level. The second verse of Brain Damage is exceptional. Conceptually it was outstanding as well.

I also feel it had the best production.

In terms of writing and rhyming, this was his peak. MMLP and TES has more emotion, arguably more direction, but I just feel SSLP showed not only incredible rhyming, but such variety; going from Rock Bottom to Brain Damage to Bad Meets Evil to My Name Is to Guilty Conscience in one album is masterful.

It's only recently that it's become my favourite as well.

I can see how the nasally voice would turn of some, just like the accent did to some on Relapse, but in both cases didnt effect me at all.

Anyhoo, that wasn't what I was meaning. People seem to overlook the faults on his early work but nitpick his new work.

I feel people do this becuase, quite simply, there is so much more faults with his newer stuff than his older stuff. His first 3 albums are almost flawless, in terms of rhyming, whereas Recovery has quite a lot of faults in that department. Hence the nitpicking.

What is there not to like?

It has variety but that's not why some (including me) are critical. It's mainly due to the overload of punchlines; many of which are terrible. It has duds in WBD, WTP and NA, which are so much worse than his early albums worst tracks. Also the flow throughout the album is as natural or smooth as he used to have it. Too much stop and go tactics

If your going on "types of tracks" then you cant fault a great deal but thats not the main reason a lot of peopel listen to Em. Just cus a song has a nice style doesnt mean it's good automatically.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

SSLP is my favourite Eminem album.

He didnt waste a line on that entire CD. The multies were just extraordinary and his storytelling skills are on another level. The second verse of Brain Damage is exceptional. Conceptually it was outstanding as well.

I also feel it had the best production.

In terms of writing and rhyming, this was his peak. MMLP and TES has more emotion, arguably more direction, but I just feel SSLP showed not only incredible rhyming, but such variety; going from Rock Bottom to Brain Damage to Bad Meets Evil to My Name Is to Guilty Conscience in one album is masterful.

It's only recently that it's become my favourite as well.

I can see how the nasally voice would turn of some, just like the accent did to some on Relapse, but in both cases didnt effect me at all.

Anyhoo, that wasn't what I was meaning. People seem to overlook the faults on his early work but nitpick his new work.

I feel people do this becuase, quite simply, there is so much more faults with his newer stuff than his older stuff. His first 3 albums are almost flawless, in terms of rhyming, whereas Recovery has quite a lot of faults in that department. Hence the nitpicking.

What is there not to like?

It has variety but that's not why some (including me) are critical. It's mainly due to the overload of punchlines; many of which are terrible. It has duds in WBD, WTP and NA, which are so much worse than his early albums worst tracks. Also the flow throughout the album is as natural or smooth as he used to have it. Too much stop and go tactics

If your going on "types of tracks" then you cant fault a great deal but thats not the main reason a lot of peopel listen to Em. Just cus a song has a nice style doesnt mean it's good automatically.

I agree with there being WAY too many punchlines, but I do think a lot of the punchlines are nice, but some of them aren't. I lke WTP, mainly because of his delivery, not so much the song's content or lyrics. I skip WBD a lot, I agree there. Not Afraid is good to me, but there are way better songs. Songs like Going Through Changes and 25 To Life, his flow is very good. I think Seduction's flow is good too, but he does kinda wear his "new flow" out throughout the album

[MikeNUFC]

Dont get me wrong, I like Recovery. Has some great tracks on there. I just think it's nowhere near his first 3 albums and not that much better than Relapse.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Dont get me wrong, I like Recovery. Has some great tracks on there. I just think it's nowhere near his first 3 albums and not that much better than Relapse.

I definitely don't rank it above The Eminem Show, that's my favorite album of all time, not just Eminem album. MMLP is a better album with way better songs, but in terms of my personal preference, Recovery is second for me. Relapse was brilliant in it's own little way, I think lyrically it's amazing, it's just the subject matter as shitty except for Deja Vu, Beautiful, and My Darling. I didn't mind the accent so much, but I'm glad he ditched it

[DanWS]

"all I ever felt was dissed, helplessness, imprisoned, by a selfish bitch that chewed me up and spit me out, I fell for this so many times it's ridiculous, and still I stick with this, I'm sick of this, but in my sickness and addiction you're addictive as they get, evil as they come, vindictive as they make 'em! My friends keep askin me why I can't just walk away from, I'm addicted - to the pain,the stress, the drama, i'm drawn to shit, so i guess I'mma mess, cursed and blessed, but this time I, aint changin my mind - I'm climbin out this abyss, you're screamin as I walk out that I'll be missed - but when you spoke of people who meant the most to you, you left me off your list, fuck you hip-hop, I'm leavin you, my life sentence is served bitch and its just..."

I'm sorry but that is as good as anything he has EVER done on ANY of his previous albums. That whole 2nd verse is right up there with the very best verses he has ever done.

In my opinion of course

[DanWS]

And its too early for me to rank Recovery yet. But I'm thinking its around the same level as The Eminem Show, for me, which I rate as his 2nd best album.