Do you think Eminem wanted to sign to Psychopathic?

[DrDewofCovtown]

I'm sure your all aware of the beef that has come and gone between Eminem and ICP. But, Eminem has said before, that ICP was one of his influences. They were horrorcore (and remember, Eminem started off very dark) and also, from his hometown, Detroit. Also, something interesting I found. If any of you have listened to his album "Infinite" (1996, BEFORE the beef) he says in the song "Tonite" "I bury the hatchet," when he is talking about murdering someone. Not much, but could there be a connection? Obviously, it's good that he didn't sign with them, because he would have NEVER would have become the legend he is today.

I find it all very interesting. Your thoughts?

[12characters]

Nah tbh I don't think the Bury the hatchet line had anything to do with ICP. It was just word play on phrases mixed with complex rhyming which were basically his strongest attributes at the time.

As for signing with them, maybe. I mean, he did try to get them to see him live but honestly it was probably all for promotion purposes solely. So no, I don't think so.

EDIT: BTW Welcome to the Forum

[Atone]

I don't get the "bury the hatchet" reference as I don't listen to ICP / Psychopathic artists. Explain?

The weaopon of choice in I.C.P's music is a hatchet

aslo, a sub label of Psychopathic is Hatchet House

It's possible, i mean, ICP was droppin albums before Em ever got heard of

not saying yes, but i'm not saying no,


also, side note, Twiztid, Eminem, and Proof went to the same school


for those who don't know Twiztid, they are also part of Psychopathic

[DrDewofCovtown]

As far as the "bury the hatchet" line goes, ICP and the rest of the record label use the hatchet as the "weapon of choice." Also, their symbol for their record label is the hatchetman, based off a dream that Shaggy 2 Dope had of a crazed man running through the streets of Delray with a hatchet.


Also, I admitedly don't have sources, but I remember Eminem listing ICP as an early influence somewhere. I think he said it once or twice after the beef ended, I am uncertain though. Also, remember, ICP has been around since 1989 (Known as the inner city posse. In 1992 they changed it to Insane Clown Posse) And before they became known worldwide, they made lots of noise in Detroit. So a young Eminem in high school, probably knew all about them. And like Geno said, Twiztid, (the next big group on Psychopathic) went to school with Eminem and Proof, so they probably spread the word about ICP as well.

This is all speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Eminem was aiming towards Psychopathic. After all, he DID approach Violent J in 1997, with a flyer that was promoting his up and coming Slim Shady EP. That's how the whole beef started.

[Atone]

As far as the "bury the hatchet" line goes, ICP and the rest of the record label use the hatchet as the "weapon of choice." Also, their symbol for their record label is the hatchetman, based off a dream that Shaggy 2 Dope had of a crazed man running through the streets of Delray with a hatchet.


Also, I admitedly don't have sources, but I remember Eminem listing ICP as an early influence somewhere. I think he said it once or twice after the beef ended, I am uncertain though. Also, remember, ICP has been around since 1989 (Known as the inner city posse. In 1992 they changed it to Insane Clown Posse) And before they became known worldwide, they made lots of noise in Detroit. So a young Eminem in high school, probably knew all about them. And like Atone said, Twiztid, (the next big group on Psychopathic) went to school with Eminem and Proof, so they probably spread the word about ICP as well.

This is all speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Eminem was aiming towards Psychopathic. After all, he DID approach Violent J in 1997, with a flyer that was promoting his up and coming Slim Shady EP. That's how the whole beef started.

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it surprises me sometimes how many ppl on this site know as much as they do about ICP/Juggalo's

[Atone]

When did Eminem ever say ICP was one of his influences? They were both writing shock rap in the late '90s in Detroit, and the similarities end there.

Wropng, ICP was doing it since the very early 90's, their first official album as Insane Clown Posse came out in 92 "Carnival Of Carnage"

that album featured Esham and Kid Rock

ICP has also worked with Ice T, and Old Dirty Bastard

Twizid has worked with Proof AND Bizarre of D12,

Psychopathic/Hatchet house is the 2nd label i know of that has artisted from De

[DrDewofCovtown]

When did Eminem ever say ICP was one of his influences? They were both writing shock rap in the late '90s in Detroit, and the similarities end there.

Wropng, ICP was doing it since the very early 90's, their first official album as Insane Clown Posse came out in 92 "Carnival Of Carnage"

that album featured Esham and Kid Rock

ICP has also worked with Ice T, and Old Dirty Bastard

Twizid has worked with Proof AND Bizarre of D12,

Psychopathic/Hatchet house is the 2nd label i know of that has artisted from De

The statement "they were both doing it in the late 1990s" isn't wrong. When ICP started doing it is irrelevant.

ICP is and always has been atrocious. Them being an influence on Eminem is a hilarious idea, especially when Eminem has always despised them. Today, Politically Correctinem says he's cool with them, but he probably thinks they're a bunch of idiots.

False. Why would Eminem have gone to one of their concerts, and hand them a flyer asking them to join his SSEP release concert, if he despised them? And as far as ICP being "atrocious" that comes down to your opinion. They have some great stuff out there, but it takes awhile to get used to. I used to hate ICP, but I gave them a fair chance, and throughout the years, they have become a personal favorite of mine. They grow on you, trust me.

[Mr.DGAF]

The statement "they were both doing it in the late 1990s" isn't wrong. When ICP started doing it is irrelevant.

ICP is and always has been atrocious. Them being an influence on Eminem is a hilarious idea, especially when Eminem has always despised them. Today, Politically Correctinem says he's cool with them, but he probably thinks they're a bunch of idiots.

False. Why would Eminem have gone to one of their concerts, and hand them a flyer asking them to join his SSEP release concert, if he despised them? And as far as ICP being "atrocious" that comes down to your opinion. They have some great stuff out there, but it takes awhile to get used to. I used to hate ICP, but I gave them a fair chance, and throughout the years, they have become a personal favorite of mine. They grow on you, trust me.

Well, it would make sense to try and get his demo out to anyone in the business, whether you care for them or not. So that would make sense, even if he despised them. But I dunno, it's kind of a reach, but I can't say no for certain.

[12characters]

Wrong, ICP was doing it since the very early 90's, their first official album as Insane Clown Posse came out in 92 "Carnival Of Carnage"

that album featured Esham and Kid Rock

ICP has also worked with Ice T, and Old Dirty Bastard

Twizid has worked with Proof AND Bizarre of D12,

Psychopathic/Hatchet house is the 2nd label i know of that has artisted from De

The statement "they were both doing it in the late 1990s" isn't wrong. When ICP started doing it is irrelevant.

ICP is and always has been atrocious. Them being an influence on Eminem is a hilarious idea, especially when Eminem has always despised them. Today, Politically Correctinem says he's cool with them, but he probably thinks they're a bunch of idiots.

False. Why would Eminem have gone to one of their concerts, and hand them a flyer asking them to join his SSEP release concert, if he despised them? And as far as ICP being "atrocious" that comes down to your opinion. They have some great stuff out there, but it takes awhile to get used to. I used to hate ICP, but I gave them a fair chance, and throughout the years, they have become a personal favorite of mine. They grow on you, trust me.

Like I said, it probably was just for promotion. In all honesty, I think Em could really give a fuck about most rappers unless they could help his career.

[Sukot]

I remember watching an interview of Eminem from 1999 and he said in it that the ICP weren't actually from Detroit, but they were only pretending to be (or something to that effect).

[DrDewofCovtown]

I remember watching an interview of Eminem from 1999 and he said in it that the ICP weren't actually from Detroit, but they were only pretending to be (or something to that effect).

ICP grew up in Delray, which is an inner city of detroit. However, when they created Psychopathic Records, they moved their headquarters about 20-30 miles away from the city. That's what Em was getting at.

[RastaJuggalo]

iv been listenin to icp since 1990 with there mix tapes DOG BEATS" which was nationaly released on 1991 or 92 cant remember been to long lol im a fan of both to be honest and as a Detroit boy i can tell u this from first hand exp and just knowledge of growin up in the area in the 90s they finaly played and aired icp first original track dog beats around detroit etc and someone mentioned them not being from detroit icp (joseph bruce Violent J) Joey/joseph Utsler (shaggy) were not born in detroit they were born in seperate parts of michigan but as youths around 8yr old now i can tell u one thing icp was doing this way way way b4 eminem though about it eminem didnt come out with jack till 1998-99 about a 10 year headstart for icp and just so everyone knows icp began forming in 1985 when J and shaggy met at oak park which is in north upper detroit they had already been writing and shit since then just didnt release till early 90s and thers about 3 interview with eminem first comin out sayin that his influences and just so everyone gets off the jock strap there beef has been squashed along time ago because of the artist Proof from eminems group d12 who contacted icp to having a bowling game and squashed the beef and a fun fact eminem/shaggy/proof were all in school together lol useless info but facts are facts and there is a interview floating around that eminem stated he did try to get on hatchet records but was when it was still labeled as island records and the island record producers said no so technically its true he did try to get on icp label
lol i love both grew up with both tho im way older lol there just young bloodz figuered could shed some light on it seeing how i remember being at work the first time i met n-e of them back in 1989 and then eminem later on in 2000


later bless bretherans

[DƎRDYPK]

GOAT new member!

[UofLCard]

I remember watching an interview of Eminem from 1999 and he said in it that the ICP weren't actually from Detroit, but they were only pretending to be (or something to that effect).

To be technical, neither is Eminem.