Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

[ShadyxEminem]

I've always wondered what really happened to his voice. Of course he was making it high-pitched during the SSLP era, but I always thought on Encore that was his real regular voice and now it's even deeper than Encore. I think his voice plays a good role on his music. Think about if Em would've did Numb verse back in 02-04? That verse would've been x10 better

[EminemBase]

Yeah, this is his last chance to get it right for me. Not the last chance in the sense I'd never listen again, but the last chance in terms of having faith in him...

Relapse was fantastic to me, but him cowardly copping out, caving, wasting the potential of it, scrapping the sequel and compromising with a few tracks which to me ruined it was, so annoying.

Recovery also has some amazing tracks, but again he compromised, this time in a major way by trying to unnaturally adapt what he does to modern trends, something he's never done. He's normally a trend SETTER, not a follower. This was a major step backwards in his integrity.

So this next one is crucial... if he doesn't make at least a totally cohesive, amazing album, with no compromises, he's fucked up big time. As that's Encore, Relapse, Recovery AND this next one, all missing the mark to varying degrees, which just shows he's very very incapable of making a classic at this point in his career. I don't feel his skills or ideas make him incapable by the way, it's just the fact he can't stop himself from compromising now, he hasn't got the confidence in his convictions and can't resist or maybe, is being forced to aim for hits, and is desperate for approval.

[Sam.]

His next Album maybe will be like "Encore", given the funny route that he seems to have taken.

[Sam.]

His next Album maybe will be like "Encore", given the funny route that he seems to have taken.

Sober Encore with a more productive Eminem would've been great. Those beats were great.

Well, yeah. Let's not forget the original intended songs that he had recorded for Encore, they were all dope, and better than the one's that made the final cut. Still...

[Jason M.]

His next Album maybe will be like "Encore", given the funny route that he seems to have taken.

Nope. I don't think these collabs are anything like his album...

[Sam.]

Yeah, Love You More & We As Americans >>>

Either way, I can't wait for his next album. We still have 0 idea of what to expect.

Exactly. We can't assume shit. At this point we don't even know the legit producers, at least that would give away some leads. Apart for one or two producers, no body else is talking about it. And the two possibles? Well, they can make some sick beats and can propel him towards the level of sickness he had in him before. I've hopes for something really great.

His next Album maybe will be like "Encore", given the funny route that he seems to have taken.

Nope. I don't think these collabs are anything like his album...

But his features before Relapse and Recovery surely did reflect his approach, didn't it?

[Kill You]

Yeah. None of his solo albums have been truly bad though. Not even Encore was really that bad. Recovery and Relapse are good albums so I see no reason why his next solo won't be good too. Hell: The Sequel was pretty bad ass as well and that came out just last year. I'm not gonna base it off of a few shitty little features.

His features before Recovery did NOT reflect the album. I see no reason why these will reflect his next. Maybe his flow and voice but I highly doubt lyrics.

[Kill You]

Yeah. None of his solo albums have been truly bad though. Not even Encore was really that bad. Recovery and Relapse are good albums so I see no reason why his next solo won't be good too. Hell: The Sequel was pretty bad ass as well and that came out just last year. I'm not gonna base it off of a few shitty little features.

Yeah, but the bad stuff on Encore was really bad. I haven't listened to that album in years.

True. But Encore did have a few gems. Relapse and Recovery easily stomp it though. I can listen to both albums pretty much front to back and not feel compelled to skip a song. I'd have to skip like half of Encore. The problem with Encore was that he was lazy as fuck and drugged out. I wouldn't mind him trying to be funny again on his next album as long as he does it right. I think Em has taken the reaction to his Cypher to heart and figures that that's the type of shit everyone wants to hear. Everyone was laughing and shit and it probably made him feel good to be a comedian again. I think he enjoys that part of his music a lot despite what he may say on record.

[EminemBase]

Just because Em scrapped Relapse 2 doesn't mean Relapse should be considered worse though. That logic's kinda weird. You know me man, I woulda loved to hear it as well. Em said himself that he felt like Relapse had some good jokes, but they weren't funny anymore, so maybe he looked at Relapse 2 and thought it was good, but it wasn't memorable or he just wasn't happy with it anymore. Can't blame him for not wanting to put out a project he isn't 100% happy with. I appreciate that a lot more than "eh whatever, just put it out, I need the money". You know?

But I think there's more evidence that the real reason he scrapped it was because of fans not liking the Relapse style, not him. Prior to Relapse, 50 said Em isn't coming out with music until it's his 'favourite shit ever', and I believe Em fucking loved that style, and don't believe he thought that hard about it, and worked that hard on the lyricism and flows and songs and suddenly hated it right after. He was so in to it, the writing was so dense and detailed, he was clearly immersed in it. And then ever since then, he's dropped giveaways that he still likes it, like on the BME EP.

I think he was very confident in that music but when fans didn't react well he feared he would slip in to total irrelevance with Relapse 2, so he listened to modern rap more and adapted his style and production to modern trends (puns, love songs and bragging).

And I think it is good logic Relapse 2 would be better, or at least that HE thought it was better. Why would you put the weaker album out last? who intends to make a sequel worse than the original. He intended Relapse 2 to mimic The Marshall Mathers LP, those two Relapse albums were homages to those first two; now which is better - The Slim Shady LP, or The Marshall Mathers LP? I know some think 'sslp', but most would say 'mmlp' is a brain-fucking piece of art. It's powerful.

And you can tell with songs like "Music Box" that the material would be more extreme, and the flow and intensity of "Buffalo Bill". And even 50 said, from the beginning, that the 2nd one was 'exciting'. I bet it was. Em scrapped it to appease fans, not himself. When he came back, despite him stating, and wanting to not give a fuck what anybody thought but himself (the right attitude. The attitude that results in classics), he can't help himself but care now. He's come too far and has too much of a history and legacy riding on reactions, he cares too much what fans think. Such a shame.

[Sam.]

Let's say his next album doesn't suck...will you guys find reasons for it to suck?

But his features before Relapse and Recovery surely did reflect his approach, didn't it?

Not really.

What was before Relapse? The song with Trick Trick? Sounds nothing like what Relapse was supposed to sound and the content wasn't even remotely close. As for his pre-Recovery collaborations, his sound and delivery definitely but not so much the content. The only one that would be close to Recovery would be "Airplanes Part 2" but even so, not so much.

My bad. I accidentally added Relaspe.

[Kill You]

@EminemBase Would you say he has that attitude now in his music? That "I don't give a fuck, I'll rap about what I want" shit?

[Mathers]

he cares too much what fans think. Such a shame.

You really think he still does?

[Slim Fiasco]

Yeah, this is his last chance to get it right for me. Not the last chance in the sense I'd never listen again, but the last chance in terms of having faith in him...

That's exactly what I wanted to know, good lookin' out.

And thanks for the input everyone, I hope you know that I wasn't trying to stir some ish up or something, it's just that I've already lost hope in him being able to make a good/great album, and I was wondering when/if those who don't feel the same will start to in case Em continues to disappoint 'em. Speaking hypothetically of course.

[EminemBase]

#EminemBase Would you say he has that attitude now in his music? That "I don't give a fuck, I'll rap about what I want" shit?

Judging from the BET Cypher and "Numb" verse I would actually say he is going there again. I think he genuinely found the 'rear, rear, rear' shit funny, and that's what I want. His music is always better if he's doing it for him, and he likes it, regardless of if others don't. And I don't count Encore as him doing it for him, in that time period he was very serious, and was clearly forcing silly humour to try and please that presumed side of his fanbase. IS probably felt he was becoming too serious.

But he seems to be rhyming just to rhyme again, there's a whole blend of humour, self-analytical references, pop-culture references, silly ideas, sound effects etc. ; I think if he keeps that attitude and JUST focuses on CREATING, and creating something truly dark, funny, original and daring, and keeps the producers down to an absolute minimum, he can make a classic.

But if he tries to aim at demographics, second-guess himself, apologize for his own intentions and taste in his own material, compromises on production or makes music by committee, he will fail and will create something that will ultimately be disappointing and muddled.

[Kill You]

I'm still pissed off because you don't like Relapse.

Give it another chance man, delete Medicine Ball, Beautiful, Hello (it's great but it's a grower) and We Made You and replace them with Music Box, Buffalo Bill and Elevator.
It'll sound much better.

Now THAT sounds perfect. I would do the exact same thing.