Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

He definitely still uses multis...

[One Mic]

He definitely still uses multis...

They don't seem as natural as they once did though, sometimes almost forced.

I'm thinking Rock Bottom, The Way I Am, Lose Yourself, Renegade.....where it's just effortless.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

He definitely still uses multis...

They don't seem as natural as they once did though, sometimes almost forced.

I'm thinking Rock Bottom, The Way I Am, Lose Yourself, Renegade.....where it's just effortless.

I know, I was just saying...he kinda made it sound like multis don't even exist in Em's new music, and they definitely do. They're not as well-executed, but I still think Em has it in him to put out another classic. He really needs to stick to his own beats and inspiration

[mcZu]

I said that his multies nowadays aren't as good as they used to be. I didn't say he doesn't use mulites anymore.

[Hiphopdane]

You honestly think he was ever only good at rhyming? What the fuck. Surely it takes some lyrical skills to stay relevant for more than 10 years. At least something more than just making words sound alike.

Sorry, you're usually quite a good poster but accusing others of being close-minded while saying Eminem only is/was good at multis is a bit of a contradiction.

I agree he has fallen off but that doens't mean he doesn't release good music. I can enjoy his new music even if it isn't as good as his prime stuff. Most rappers/artists who keep going fall off eventually, some more than others of course.

His only real forte was multies, yes. If it wasn't for his multies, he wouldn't be as praised as he was/is. Sure, his content was good, too. But it was his multies that made him earn a spot next to the emcees of Jay-Z, Nas, and Rakim's stature.

Plus some other things too. I think even the average listener recognises when rappers use different flows and he has used quite a few different ones throughout his career. His story telling isn't the worst either; Brain damage, Stan, Kim and lately tracks such as Same song & dance and Going through changes.

Lyrically I think people appreciate him for doing it his own way. If he was just another artist rapping about girls and smoking weed, he wouldn't have been where he is today. That's safe to say.

[stillmatic]

His only real forte was multies, yes. If it wasn't for his multies, he wouldn't be as praised as he was/is. Sure, his content was good, too. But it was his multies that made him earn a spot next to the emcees of Jay-Z, Nas, and Rakim's stature.

I think his emotion and storytelling puts him alongside those guys, not just his multies.

When it comes to storytelling, only the likes of Slick Rick and Nas are above him, and when it comes to emotion only the likes of Tupac and Ice Cube have him covered.

[dead prez]

I think his emotion and storytelling puts him alongside those guys, not just his multies.

When it comes to storytelling, only the likes of Slick Rick and Nas are above him, and when it comes to emotion only the likes of Tupac and Ice Cube have him covered.

Ghostface Killah, Biggie>Eminem in storytelling.

Ghostface is also just as heartfelt when he wants to be.

Also Nas is terrible at making heartfelt songs, Dance for example.

Cormega's pretty heartfelt though.

[classthe_king]

Dance is a great song

[dead prez]

The lyrics were good, but his emotion was so forced and didn't come as naturally like say Dear Mama. And don't even get me started on the cringeworthy chorus.

[classthe_king]

I thought the emotion sounded good

[EminemInsider]

Eminem fell off, end of it. If you disagree? Then so be it. The only thing Eminem was good at, was multies, even that isn't nowhere near it was.

There are numerous rappers that outshine Eminem, in almost all aspects. But you guys will still say ''Eminem has this certain mystique, he strings words together like no one ever does'' bla bla bla. If the majority of you guys were really open-minded, and not so much in Eminem's ass, you guys would appreciate music more in general.

Take this how you want to take it, if you take heat to this, then take heed to this: this is the internet, get used to it.

Yes, I'm mad.

Yeah, without the multis all you would be left with was the incredible flow, breath control, emotional delivery/voice acting, vivid narration/storytelling, and wit.

Straight gawbage, homie.

And sorry, I appreciate other rappers...I'm just not so self-conscious about the implications of saying a white guy is the greatest rapper ever that I write nonsense like, "there are MANY better rappers than Eminem, they just don't get da publicity and hype!"

No, there aren't. Eminem's songs can be broken down for years and you'll still discover new things about them. He's the best because he HAD to be.

[dead prez]

Yeah, without the multis all you would be left with was the incredible flow, breath control, emotional delivery/voice acting, vivid narration/storytelling, and wit.

Straight gawbage, homie.

I do agree with this

And sorry, I appreciate other rappers...I'm just not so self-conscious about the implications of saying a white guy is the greatest rapper ever that I write nonsense like, "there are MANY better rappers than Eminem, they just don't get da publicity and hype!"

This however, wtf is this bullshit? All you're doing is playing appeal to motives here so it's not even worth addressing.

No, there aren't. Eminem's songs can be broken down for years and you'll still discover new things about them. He's the best because he HAD to be.

No, Eminem had substance in his lyrics, but he's not fucking Shakespeare.

[EminemInsider]

And sorry, I appreciate other rappers...I'm just not so self-conscious about the implications of saying a white guy is the greatest rapper ever that I write nonsense like, "there are MANY better rappers than Eminem, they just don't get da publicity and hype!"

This however, wtf is this bullshit? All you're doing is playing appeal to motives here so it's not even worth addressing.

Because it's the elephant sitting in the living room. People don't use that same line when talking about Nas, Rakim, Big L, and other pretty much universally renowned black greats. Why not?

Eminem is the one rapper everyone tries to put an asterisk beside..."overhyped because of this, that, and this." His brilliance not only sails over the head of the people who remain unimpressed by him, but also by most of those who ARE fans of his. The "hip hawp elitists" don't know the first thing about rap skill, despite their arrogance. The teen girls and general public "Eminem is the greatest ever, I love his music becuz it's so meaningfulz" folks don't know anything, either. Most people don't have any idea WHY he's so good.

Nobody who understands everything that goes into making a rap song who listens objectively can make a technical argument for another rapper being better. You can say you "prefer" another rapper...that's all a matter of opinion...but technically speaking, you're arguing against the Michael Jordan of rap.

No, Eminem had substance in his lyrics, but he's not fucking Shakespeare.

Shakespeare? Appeal to a cliche...you have no clue what you're talking about.

Go check the "Eminem Rhymes That People Might Not Have Noticed" thread again.

[classthe_king]

What the fuck are you talking about

I know 20 white rappers better than Eminem

[dead prez]

Because it's the elephant sitting in the living room. People don't use that same line when talking about Nas, Rakim, Big L, and other pretty much universally renowned black greats. Why not?

What line?

Eminem is the one rapper everyone tries to put an asterisk beside..."overhyped because of this, that, and this." His brilliance not only sails over the head of the people who remain unimpressed by him, but also by most of those who ARE fans of his. The "hip hawp elitists" don't know the first thing about rap skill, despite their arrogance The teen girls and general public "Eminem is the greatest ever, I love his music becuz it's so meaningfulz" folks don't know anything, either. Most people don't have any idea WHY he's so good.

You didn't explain why he's good you just moan and bitched about people not accepting him because he's a white mc which is pure bullshit, sort of like you're insecure about people being skeptical about calling him the G.O.A.T.!!111

Nobody who listens objectively can make a technical argument for another rapper being better. You can say you "prefer" another rapper...that's all a matter of opinion...but technically speaking, you're arguing against the Michael Jordan of rap.

In terms of sales, but that means zilch.

Shakespeare? Appeal to a cliche...you have no clue what you're talking about.

Ahahahahaha

Basically you're butthurt because I called you out on a glaring fallacy without any real argument?

Go check the "Eminem Rhymes That People Might Not Have Noticed" thread again.

Yeah no, Try Lupe Fiasco, Aesop Rock, hell even Jay z in terms of lyrics going over your head.