until he ditches the shouting, fast flow and punchlines...

[GenePeer]

imo 3=good, 4=great, 5=classic

anyway, don't worry guys. Eminem will never sound the same in two different albums so shouting & fast flow are gone i enjoyed them though.

[MikeNUFC]

Spot on OP. At least 60% of the punchlines on Recovery were terrible.

Flow wasnt smooth or natural at all, like his previous work. Stop and go doesnt suit Em.

[M15HKA]

Spot on OP. At least 60% of the punchlines on Recovery were terrible.

Flow wasnt smooth or natural at all, like his previous work. Stop and go doesnt suit Em.

Agree with the flow. However i still enjoyed the album some of the punchlines i thought were and some i felt he was just trying to force/fit in a lot of punchlines. I think it is a very good album but the production could have been better too. This is where the album lost some replay value for me.
I just hope he gets rid of the stop and go, makes some of his own beats and I wouldn't have complaints.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Fuck The Op hes dumb.

[Verses]

I kinda like the double time flow, and the shouting really was good in some places but completely unnecessary and overused in others, and definitely agreed on the punchlines. Most of them are absolutely terrible.

[14Shots]

he def showed that he could be nice with the punchlines (fork in the road took the psychopath etc.) but like i said before u can tell that he has an addictive personality by looking at his 2 albums since he got clean, he overdosed on one style with Recovery.

i know each album has sounded different but do you guys really think he will stray that far from the formula after this album has been so successful?

imagine relapse style flow, no accent crossed with recovery content??? my god.

[GenePeer]

i know each album has sounded different but do you guys really think he will stray that far from the formula after this album has been so successful?

SSLP was successful, look how different MMLP sounds
MMLP was successful, look how different TES sounds
TES was successful, look how different Encore sounds
so yeah, i really think he will stray that far from the formula after this album has been so successful.

[Kez]

Bawwwwwww so the guy doesn't like the new album as much as others, i suppose that means his opinion don't count according to half you idiots? He still said it was a 4 mic album, so i'm pretty sure he aint calling the album shit by any means.

Personally, i think he got a point. I like the album don't get me wrong but i definately feel like he's trying to adapt to the state of hip hop in 2010. It was very different back in the late 90s early 2000s to how it is now; now it's overrun with Lil Wayne's influence, hip hop songs full of mindless metaphors, pointless boasts and a gigantic overuse of similies. I mean sure, Em has always used metaphors and punchlines, but here they sound much more like what they are; you can kinda get the impression he sat and thought of lots of punches and shoved them into song in a couple of the tracks. I mean let's face it, he can't stay like he was in The Eminem Show forever; people will start to complain. And the irony is that even though half you stans have used the defense that he "can't please everyone", you guys yourselves would probably be complaining if Encore, Relapse and Recovery were clones of The Eminem Show or MMLP.

The shouting i hate on some tracks and i like on others. Personally i feel like it ruins Almost Famous, dunno why just he's basically screaming through it and it irritates me. He could easily have done the song in an angry or hard tone without bloody shouting at us. But on Cold Wind Blows i think he blends it well with the difference between the verses and the chorus, and that's one of my favourite tracks from him ever, so i suppose it's a mixed bag. As for the flow, i kinda agree with the guy who said he probably modeled it off the feedback from Forever and Drop The World. For the most part though i didn't mind the flow, the only songs i thought it sounded forced on was maybe Love The Way You Lie and Space Bound. But i thought overall his flows were pretty impressive on this album, even with the stop-start shit he was doing on a couple of em.

All that said, i still like the album a lot, but i'm just saying that just because someone comes on here with a differing viewpoint to you does not make his opinion invalid or wrong and doesn't mean that you all need to go menstrual on him in an almost-patriotic defense of the album.

[MikeNUFC]

Just read through this whole thread and wanted to make some points:

1. Fuck you Kez for stealing my thunder

2. This thread has made me realize once again the ignorance of SOME Eminem fans on this site. Makes me annoyed just reading it. You sound idiotic YouTube users.

3. The OP made a very reasonable point about Recovery. You lot disgareed with it - that's fine if you write why with reasonable response. But no, it's just endless posts of pointless facepalm smileys, insults to the OP and "I hope Em doesnt go on TR" and "Eminem fans need to stop moaning" comments.

4. Eminem set a bar with his first 3 albums. That means everything after it will be judged against it. That's fair enough, if you start with such a high standard then people will want you to keep it up. Does he keep it up on Recovery? Nope.

5. Half the comments that praise the album hardly ever back up their points, yet when someone criticises the album and backs up their point they get abuse with no comeback argument.

6. Just becuase its "different" from his previous albums, that suddenly means no-one is allowed to criticise it. It's fucking ridiculous. What makes me laugh the most is the same people who spent a whole fucking year crying about the way Eminem pronounces his words on Relapse suddenly attack people for "nitpicking" about Recovery. That's hypocrisy at his best

7. As Kez put very well, Em has copied way too much of 2010 hip hop's style - constant bragging is boring and so un-Eminem like. The overkill of loadsof, most of the time, weak as hell punchlines - people on here keep saying how "clever" they are but they really arent. Half of them make no sense and add NOTHING to a song.

8. Recovery has so many filler lines it's amazing. A lot of the time Em adds on a word after the line like "woo" or similar sounds to make the rhyme. It's lazy and something I'm not used to Em doing. Same with the stop and go flow.

9. It's nothing to do with Em being so long into his career. Listen to Deja Vu. Em can easily make classic tracks since his comeback that match his early work in terms of quality. The problem is he listened to his idiotic fans on the internet who constantly make ridiculous suggestions and criticise Em's work, yet when 90% of the people like an album they insult people who criticise.

Rant over.

Waits for endless amounts of "your an idiot", "Recovery is classic" and facepalm smileys. Which will only add to my point.

(BTW I like Recovery, it's a solid album, thats not really part of my argument)

[classthe_king]

Just read through this whole thread and wanted to make some points:

1. Fuck you Kez for stealing my thunder

2. This thread has made me realize once again the ignorance of SOME Eminem fans on this site. Makes me annoyed just reading it. You sound idiotic YouTube users.

3. The OP made a very reasonable point about Recovery. You lot disgareed with it - that's fine if you write why with reasonable response. But no, it's just endless posts of pointless facepalm smileys, insults to the OP and "I hope Em doesnt go on TR" and "Eminem fans need to stop moaning" comments.

4. Eminem set a bar with his first 3 albums. That means everything after it will be judged against it. That's fair enough, if you start with such a high standard then people will want you to keep it up. Does he keep it up on Recovery? Nope.

5. Half the comments that praise the album hardly ever back up their points, yet when someone criticises the album and backs up their point they get abuse with no comeback argument.

6. Just becuase its "different" from his previous albums, that suddenly means no-one is allowed to criticise it. It's fucking ridiculous. What makes me laugh the most is the same people who spent a whole fucking year crying about the way Eminem pronounces his words on Relapse suddenly attack people for "nitpicking" about Recovery. That's hypocrisy at his best

7. As Kez put very well, Em has copied way too much of 2010 hip hop's style - constant bragging is boring and so un-Eminem like. The overkill of loadsof, most of the time, weak as hell punchlines - people on here keep saying how "clever" they are but they really arent. Half of them make no sense and add NOTHING to a song.

8. Recovery has so many filler lines it's amazing. A lot of the time Em adds on a word after the line like "woo" or similar sounds to make the rhyme. It's lazy.

Rant over.

Waits for endless amounts of "your an idiot", "Recovery is classic" and facepalm smileys. Which will only add to my point.

Will you marry me

[MikeNUFC]

^Course Class. Have Copywrite's Holier Than Thou as a wedding song. Along with Rock Bottom & Sing For the Moment.

Just edited it with a few more points.

[slimsoxshady]

Sorry dude, that was an awful analysis. Sounds like you think there arent any classic hip-hop albums that contain those elements. Recovery definetely is closer to being a classic than closer to being merely good. You think 4 stars is "nice"? The only think stopping Em from having another classic is classic production. You might have a point with the punchlines too, imo WBD wasnt the kind of track I was looking to hear from Em and there are a few weak punchlines scattered around the album.

what are you talking about? Recovery had better punchlines and better wordplay than any other Eminem album besides Infinite. In fact, there was next to zero punches and wordplay on any release after MMLP, and even that album was pretty straight forward lyricism.

[classthe_king]

Sorry dude, that was an awful analysis. Sounds like you think there arent any classic hip-hop albums that contain those elements. Recovery definetely is closer to being a classic than closer to being merely good. You think 4 stars is "nice"? The only think stopping Em from having another classic is classic production. You might have a point with the punchlines too, imo WBD wasnt the kind of track I was looking to hear from Em and there are a few weak punchlines scattered around the album.

what are you talking about? Recovery had better punchlines and better wordplay than any other Eminem album besides Infinite. In fact, there was next to zero punches and wordplay on any release after MMLP, and even that album was pretty straight forward lyricism.

Yeah but the punchlines he uses suck.

[slimsoxshady]

Sorry dude, that was an awful analysis. Sounds like you think there arent any classic hip-hop albums that contain those elements. Recovery definetely is closer to being a classic than closer to being merely good. You think 4 stars is "nice"? The only think stopping Em from having another classic is classic production. You might have a point with the punchlines too, imo WBD wasnt the kind of track I was looking to hear from Em and there are a few weak punchlines scattered around the album.

what are you talking about? Recovery had better punchlines and better wordplay than any other Eminem album besides Infinite. In fact, there was next to zero punches and wordplay on any release after MMLP, and even that album was pretty straight forward lyricism.

Yeah but the punchlines he uses suck.

no they don't
some are meh but some are pretty clever
"call me the space shuttle destroyer, I just blew up the Challenger"
"time to exorcise/exercise these demons, these mofos are doin jumpin jacks now"
"guess thats why they call it window pane/pain"
"screamin attack/a tac like i just stepped on one"

i ain't ever heard any of those before so they're both original and good imo...so many rappers put similar punches together and just replace a few things but some of these Recovery ones sound pretty fresh

[Kez]

"guess thats why they call it window pane/pain"
"screamin attack/a tac like i just stepped on one"

You seriously think these are good?