Relapse is Epic

[Emadyville]

Swap a few songs off refill & you've got one really crazy album.

Opinion may change over time. However, Remember TES was downplayed when it first dropped, now some people consider it a classic.

Refill and relapse combined

TES

thank god for no encore talk

[professor]

ur entitled to have ur own opinion, but u gotta be trippen to think that Deja Vu isnt a good song

[EminemBase]

I think "Deja Vu" is a great song. Not the best or, not my personal favourite on the album though.

It's one of his best choruses in a while.

Only thing which slightly ruins it is Dre's production. Again, his drums nearly killing Em's vocals.

[professor]

@ Eminembase

I think Relapse was two or three songs away from being an classic. He should have took off 'Crack A Bottle". I like "Hello" but I don't think it shloud have been on there. And a couple of other songs.

What I think fucked it up was him holding songs to put on Relapse 2 at the time. He should have just put the best songs on there. He should have traded "Old Time Sake" for "Hell Breaks Loose" "Careful What You Wish For" should have been on there with a third verse. And a couple of more "hits' because Relapse didn't really have any radio hits.

Em had a lot of things he could have talked about on this record. Mostly Proof's death and struggling to quit drugs. I don't mind when he raps about his Mom or Kim some of those are my favorite songs. If he would have done a few more songs that were more creative this record would have been undeniably a classic.

i honestly think he didnt really want any hit songs that stood out too much. i know that sounds far fetched, but this album to him was like an awakening from underground. Hello is one of my top 5 songs on Relapse. i mean, who in the game says " see that chick in the gym checkin me out, any second im bout to stick her neck in my mouth" ha ha epic!

[professor]

yea i know what ur talkin bout though. i didnt like "must be the ganja" at first and thought it could have gone, but that song has grown on me a lot. Most underrated song to me is "medicine ball".

[EminemBase]

Well "Hello" was a filler track yeah but... I mean, not every track can or has to mean something.

I mean it was a little bit more this time as it was him re-introducing himself as in... Back from the drug binge. Back in the right frame of mind so it means something.

I mean I think it fits perfectly and is a great song so it works for me.

You get filler on every album in the sense it's just there as a bridge track but they can still be great tracks. Just like "I'm Back" on MMLP. Same thing. Just re-introducing himself and an excuse to show off random lyricism with fucked up rhymes.

I agree it was a few songs away from a classic.

For me, if he had put "My Darling" as track two (but had a better, more relevant 1st verse), replaced "Crack a Bottle" with "Careful What You Wish For" and... "We Made You" with "Taking My ball" - With that also being the 1st single (a much better one it would of been). Then I think it would be close.

I actually prefer "Old Time's Sake" to "Hell Breaks Loose" though. That's the only song in a while of Em's that I listened to and didn't like first time. I immediately just thought "this sounds off". I mean his flow is superb as usual but there's some lazy lyricism and... Dunno.

Also... "Must Be The Ganja" - I love the verses and the chorus but man Dre really fucked that song with the production. The drums are brain-smashingly loud. They ruin Em's mic presence.

I agree with 'professor' on "Medicine Ball" being underrated too. That was probably the song I was immediately most intruiged with, I loved it right away. Nice little concept and the flow is just awesome. As well as the wordplay. Especially the 2nd verse, wow.

[q_shady]

i like deja vu and the chorus is great, but i just cant stand the accent in there

[EminemBase]

i like deja vu and the chorus is great, but i just cant stand the accent in there

What accent. I think people keep confusing accent with pitch lol.

All he does in that song is make his voice more nasaly, which sounds like an attempt in making himself sound like 'old Shady' again. But it's all in an American accent...

[KillahBee]

I like Relapse but I havent played it in months, for me the album is summed up in 2 songs, Stay Wide Awake and Underground, ie. both tracks are just random spitting that never really go anywhere, but from a technichal level, ( flow, multis, etc ) are off the hook, almost every track on the album is like that

I liked the production on it aswell, some of Dres most unique beats in years ( Medicine Ball, Underground, and Stay Wide Awake are 3 of the best beats Em has ever rapped on imo )

[EminemBase]

I like Relapse but I havent played it in months, for me the album is summed up in 2 songs, Stay Wide Awake and Underground, ie. both tracks are just random spitting that never really go anywhere, but from a technichal level, ( flow, multis, etc ) are off the hook, almost every track on the album is like that

I liked the production on it aswell, some of Dres most unique beats in years ( Medicine Ball, Underground, and Stay Wide Awake are 3 of the best beats Em has ever rapped on imo )

What do you mean that doesn't go anywhere though lmao?

You act as if he had an intention of making the tracks meaningful but failed.

He rapped about all his personal shit for about four years straight. Did you really wanna hear him come back bitching more, with slow, growly rapping? Yawn.

You can't sum any of his albums up in two tracks. There's always a lot going on.

Yes it was random spitting for the sake of it... Nobody is denying that, not even him. He was seeing if he could do it again. Rhyme-wise etc. But you could only be bored by that, if you don't actually love rap lol.

Most of Illmatic is just spitting for its sake. Yeah Nas may be rapping about more 'meaningful' shit to you just because it's real-life but so what lol. He sticks within a handful of topics and in the case of Relapse it just happened to be murder.

He can rap about anything as long as it's done well. And I think it was done superbly. I love almost every track.

[Emadyville]

I like Relapse but I havent played it in months, for me the album is summed up in 2 songs, Stay Wide Awake and Underground, ie. both tracks are just random spitting that never really go anywhere

Yeah, agreed, but I like when he does shit like that sometimes, more on his older albums tho

[professor]

Well "Hello" was a filler track yeah but... I mean, not every track can or has to mean something.

I mean it was a little bit more this time as it was him re-introducing himself as in... Back from the drug binge. Back in the right frame of mind so it means something.

I mean I think it fits perfectly and is a great song so it works for me.

You get filler on every album in the sense it's just there as a bridge track but they can still be great tracks. Just like "I'm Back" on MMLP. Same thing. Just re-introducing himself and an excuse to show off random lyricism with fucked up rhymes.

I agree it was a few songs away from a classic.

For me, if he had put "My Darling" as track two (but had a better, more relevant 1st verse), replaced "Crack a Bottle" with "Careful What You Wish For" and... "We Made You" with "Taking My ball" - With that also being the 1st single (a much better one it would of been). Then I think it would be close.

I actually prefer "Old Time's Sake" to "Hell Breaks Loose" though. That's the only song in a while of Em's that I listened to and didn't like first time. I immediately just thought "this sounds off". I mean his flow is superb as usual but there's some lazy lyricism and... Dunno.

Also... "Must Be The Ganja" - I love the verses and the chorus but man Dre really fucked that song with the production. The drums are brain-smashingly loud. They ruin Em's mic presence.

I agree with 'professor' on "Medicine Ball" being underrated too. That was probably the song I was immediately most intruiged with, I loved it right away. Nice little concept and the flow is just awesome. As well as the wordplay. Especially the 2nd verse, wow.

yea i agree with u homie with the 'hello' and 'im back' similarity. my brother thinks the same way that 'old times sake' was better than 'hell breaks loose' but i think hell breaks loose is better. but 'medicine balls' first verse is the shit. I said nice rectum i had a bycectumy hector so u cant get pregnant if i bysexualy wreck ya.

[q_shady]

well i dont know what the hell was that but i just cant stand the sound of his voice in that song

[professor]

I like Relapse but I havent played it in months, for me the album is summed up in 2 songs, Stay Wide Awake and Underground, ie. both tracks are just random spitting that never really go anywhere, but from a technichal level, ( flow, multis, etc ) are off the hook, almost every track on the album is like that

I liked the production on it aswell, some of Dres most unique beats in years ( Medicine Ball, Underground, and Stay Wide Awake are 3 of the best beats Em has ever rapped on imo )

What do you mean that doesn't go anywhere though lmao?

You act as if he had an intention of making the tracks meaningful but failed.

He rapped about all his personal shit for about four years straight. Did you really wanna hear him come back bitching more, with slow, growly rapping? Yawn.

You can't sum any of his albums up in two tracks. There's always a lot going on.

Yes it was random spitting for the sake of it... Nobody is denying that, not even him. He was seeing if he could do it again. Rhyme-wise etc. But you could only be bored by that, if you don't actually love rap lol.

Most of Illmatic is just spitting for its sake. Yeah Nas may be rapping about more 'meaningful' shit to you just because it's real-life but so what lol. He sticks within a handful of topics and in the case of Relapse it just happened to be murder.

He can rap about anything as long as it's done well. And I think it was done superbly. I love almost every track.

not to kiss anyones ass but dude was on point

[watevermannnn]

The first time I listened to Relapse, I thought it was wack. I just read this thread and skimmed through the album, and I still think it's wack. I can't fuck with this serial killer content. The only time I think he came through with that type of content was on Musix Box.

Why do people keep saying he's oh soooo lyrical on Relapse? Compared to what? His earlier work was just as lyrical. He's a very consistent writer when it comes to rhyming.

The problem for me is his voice, but I'm glad it's over. I take Underground intro "shit, I don't know, but I'm back now." as okay, I snapped out of this serial killer bullshit.

Also, his witty humor and sarcastic personality doesn't shine through anymore. If he says something clever, his flow doesn't let it be dope. His new "pin-point flow" is the problem.

Forget a chorus -- my metaphors are so complicated
it takes six minutes to get applause (yay)
And by the time you all catch on, I'ma end your career
and walk away with the whole floor so you have nothin to fall back on!

Flashin back to being shot and repeatin the scenes
on how you just got smoked, and if you do live
You'll be too scared to tell it, like a Biggie and 'Pac joke

So when Slim gets this M-16 burstin'
You gettin' spun backwards like every word of obscene cursin
On the B-side of my first single with the clean version

That's SLIM SHADY. On Relapse, he's NOT SLIM, but he's a fucking serial killer. What the hell happened to this guy?