If Em Were to Respond to Canibus?

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Canibus is a better battle rapper than Eminem.

But if he responded, I want Nail in the Coffin style.

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Canibus is a better battle rapper than Eminem.

But if he responded, I want Nail in the Coffin style.

No he ain't. Em slaughters Canibus in any department.

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Canibus is a better battle rapper than Eminem.

But if he responded, I want Nail in the Coffin style.

No he ain't. Em slaughters Canibus in any department.

If Eminem never beefed with Canibus, it's probable you wouldn't be saying the same thing.

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Canibus is a better battle rapper than Eminem.

But if he responded, I want Nail in the Coffin style.

No he ain't. Em slaughters Canibus in any department.

If Eminem never beefed with Canibus, it's probable you wouldn't be saying the same thing.

No it's not. If people weren't so accustom to using the 'Stan' and 'Just because he's white' cop-outs then you would realize that saying this is just a lame evasion of real debate. You would also realize I'm a fan of all hip-hop and I happen to genuinely think Canibus is not on Em's level.

Again, NO that is not because I only listen to Eminem. And NO it's not because Canibus beefed with Eminem. I'm not bias. Beefs are ridiculous and childish, they don't affect my opinion on SKILL. Regardless. I'm not a fucking 10 year old.

Canibus doesn't come close to matching Em's range of emotive input. The mixture of irony, character-play, aggression, fables, quotes, poetic notions. He's a one trick poney. He tries too hard and fails. He's not an all-round MC and in every single department, Em wins.

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No it's not. If people weren't so accustom to using the 'Stan' and 'Just because he's white' cop-outs then you would realize that saying this is just a lame evasion of real debate. You would also realize I'm a fan of all hip-hop and I happen to genuinely think Canibus is not on Em's level.

Again, NO that is not because I only listen to Eminem. And NO it's not because Canibus beefed with Eminem. I'm not bias. Beefs are ridiculous and childish, they don't affect my opinion on SKILL. Regardless. I'm not a fucking 10 year old.

Canibus doesn't come close to matching Em's range of emotive input. The mixture of irony, character-play, aggression, fables, quotes, poetic notions. He's a one trick poney. He tries too hard and fails. He's not an all-round MC and in every single department, Em wins.

I would I "also realize" that you were a fan of hip-hop. I'm not dedicated to finding out all personal knowledge about you, so I wouldn't "also realize" that.

How are beefs ridiculous and childish? Feuding has been in hip-hop since its roots and is a staplemark of the genre. Regardless, as you say, some get out of hand and ARE just unnecessary, but most of them bring out the best of an MC.

It's true Canibus is not as well-rounded an MC as Eminem, but as far as wordplay, metaphors, punchlines in battle-rapping, Canibus is better.

So who do you think is a better MC than Eminem?

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How are beefs ridiculous and childish? Feuding has been in hip-hop since its roots and is a staplemark of the genre. Regardless, as you say, some get out of hand and ARE just unnecessary, but most of them bring out the best of an MC.

Because they are. Yes they do bring out the best in some rappers, that doesn't mean they can't still be ridiculous and childish. They're usually over nothing than silly comments behind each other's backs or looking at each other the wrong way in a corridor, they're ridiculous.

It's true Canibus is not as well-rounded an MC as Eminem, but as far as wordplay, metaphors, punchlines in battle-rapping, Canibus is better.

So who do you think is a better MC than Eminem?

His metaphors aren't as good as Eminem's. His wordplay is nowhere near as sharp and his punchlines aren't as witty. He uses a lot of complex words but forgets everything else. Desperate to impress. But he doesn't fully inject everything else that's needed.

I don't think there is a better MC than Eminem. No doubt you'll just say I'm a STAN for that, as usual. The never-ending cop-out to evade debate. But it's not because I'm a STAN, I can defend why I think he's the best and it has nothing to do with his blonde hair or the fact he's white.

I think the only MC that comes close is Nas, in some departments. But then he's still nowhere near as versatile as Eminem, rarely switches flows or subject-matter and isn't as witty. But he writes very poetically. Erm... I think Royce, back in Bad Meets Evil days wasn't far off Em.

I also think Xzibit isn't far off him. Redman also. But I still think he's better.

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How are beefs ridiculous and childish? Feuding has been in hip-hop since its roots and is a staplemark of the genre. Regardless, as you say, some get out of hand and ARE just unnecessary, but most of them bring out the best of an MC.

Because they are. Yes they do bring out the best in some rappers, that doesn't mean they can't still be ridiculous and childish. They're usually over nothing than silly comments behind each other's backs or looking at each other the wrong way in a corridor, they're ridiculous.

It's true Canibus is not as well-rounded an MC as Eminem, but as far as wordplay, metaphors, punchlines in battle-rapping, Canibus is better.

So who do you think is a better MC than Eminem?

His metaphors aren't as good as Eminem's. His wordplay is nowhere near as sharp and his punchlines aren't as witty. He uses a lot of complex words but forgets everything else. Desperate to impress. But he doesn't fully inject everything else that's needed.

I don't think there is a better MC than Eminem. No doubt you'll just say I'm a STAN for that, as usual. The never-ending cop-out to evade debate. But it's not because I'm a STAN, I can defend why I think he's the best and it has nothing to do with his blonde hair or the fact he's white.

I think the only MC that comes close is Nas, in some departments. But then he's still nowhere near as versatile as Eminem, rarely switches flows or subject-matter and isn't as witty. But he writes very poetically. Erm... I think Royce, back in Bad Meets Evil days wasn't far off Em.

I also think Xzibit isn't far off him. Redman also. But I still think he's better.

You think Eminem has better punchlines than Canibus?

Also, you say Nas rarely switches subject-matter. He probably has the most diverse topics I know of, with depictions of urban life, braggadocio rap, racial issues, social issues, stories of birth, religious issues, hip hop issues, political issues, and just plain fun.

Eminem, on the other hand, is either: family issues, political issues, nonsense, or serial killing. Or the "I'm Back Again" topic. Some of his songs are just ridiculous, in a bad way. It just makes you shake your head and wonder why the fuck does man in his 30's still do that.

I'm not hating on Eminem or dickriding Nas, I'm just pointing out the errors of your argument. And what do you mean witty? You mean punch-line witty or metaphor-witty or content-witty? Because many other rappers have better punchlines, better metaphors (falls under punchlines at times), and MUCH better content. (at times) Witty doesn't mean you can come up with various ways of rape/murder.

What I can give credit to Eminem is that he is one of the most flexible MCs with multi-syllabic rhyming. Few rappers come close to his accomplished skill at that art form, but then again, multi-syllabic rhyming is only half of what makes a good lyricist.

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the flow of the sauce, but with a hard beat like till i collapse

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the sauce

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Also, you say Nas rarely switches subject-matter. He probably has the most diverse topics I know of, with depictions of urban life, braggadocio rap, racial issues, social issues, stories of birth, religious issues, hip hop issues, political issues, and just plain fun.

Lmao this is not true. He's nowhere near one of the most diverse rappers ever, are you insane. I own all of his discography and love most of it. Illmatic still sounds fresher than nearly everything out TODAY.

But to say he's diverse is not true at all. All of those things you branched off into can be summed up in one topic: Black culture. He talks about street life, the life of a black man in New York, the life of being a black gangsta, black-urban life in general. Like most black rappers.

He rarely ever strays from this. It's only been of late he's started to branch out a little more intelligently into more general political issues. Such as the affect of media-brainwashing on the incredible "Sly Fox" track. But again, he's often using his religious ideology and black preaching for justification of much of his preaching.

Like Mos Def, he's obsessed with black culture. Which is fine. But that's all he ever raps about. Of course you get the odd joke-song to do with bitches or something like "Dr. Knockboot" but it's very rare he changes subject-matter. Just look at his 2008 album Untitled. Harping back to talking about slavery... Which he didn't endure but feels he has the right to claim and speak on as if he's a prophet of it lmao. And his next album with Damian Marley, aimed at African culture. He rarely strays.

Eminem, on the other hand, is either: family issues, political issues, nonsense, or serial killing. Or the "I'm Back Again" topic. Some of his songs are just ridiculous, in a bad way. It just makes you shake your head and wonder why the fuck does man in his 30's still do that.

And with Eminem, on the other hand, you've done the opposite. With Nas you tried to sub-categorize one or two categories (black culture and urban life) into 8 or 9 and with Em you've tried to pack-down dozens of genuinely separate topics into a handful lmao.

No rapper has rapped about as many things as Eminem. Eminem puts spins on all of these things to create pure originality. Lets just look at The Slim Shady LP, official debut... He turns a half-real story of a brutal bully incident into a half-fictional, cartoonish tale of violence and an ode to drugs with "Brain Damage".

He expresses the love for his daughter and the hate for his wife simultaneously, whilst at the same time putting an ironic spin on an already existing track with "97 Bonnie & Clyde" by creating a murder tale, told through the medium of baby-talk... In real-time. Whilst at the same time making a poetic comparison to the infamous outlaws as him and his daughter.

Then on "Role Model" he puts an ironic spin on the saying itself, whilst sending a message to society, cramming the brain of the consumer with intense visual lyricism and hilarious punchlines. He makes a very serious point without being pompous and still being ingeniously entertaining.

I mean, I could go on. Song for song, album for album. So yes, he either does something relating to his family or his own life. He either makes up an entirely fictional story, like any genuine writer should do. He addresses a political issue relating to his music or he enters the mind-frame of a serial killer to create serial-killing melodrama. Sounds pretty diverse to me.

And with all that, no rapper covers as many topics line-for-line. Because no matter what he's rapping about, you get his entire mind of babble every time. References to characters in history, slipping out of 3rd and 1st person, going from narrator to guy in the scene, I mean just so many difficult writing techniques. Made to look effortless. And to add to all this, he creates almost an entirely new flow EVERY TRACK. Nevermind every album. Nas has kept pretty much the same one for 15 years.

I'm not hating on Eminem or dickriding Nas, I'm just pointing out the errors of your argument. And what do you mean witty? You mean punch-line witty or metaphor-witty or content-witty? Because many other rappers have better punchlines, better metaphors (falls under punchlines at times), and MUCH better content. (at times) Witty doesn't mean you can come up with various ways of rape/murder.

And I'm not hating on Nas or dickriding Em. I love them both. And I hope I've addressed what you thought of as errors in my argument. I feel like I've more than expanded on them. I've try to keep it minimal too to avoid a 20 page essay, failed miserably but it could of been a lot worse.

When I say witty, I mean it in the purest sense. Witty humour. He has BITING, scathing irony that no rapper matches. And yes I'm well aware what witty means thanks. At what point did I say his murder tales are example of his wit?

I'm talking about...
"When I grab a pencil and squeeze it between fingers. I'm not a rapper, I'm a deamon who speaks English"

and

"I'm looking for somebody OF to beat the crap OUT"

Not his best examples but just to provide the type of wit I'm talking about. On top of this he's very self-depricating. Which is hilarious. And very British. Maybe that's why I prefer his wit more as I'm British. British comedians and people are very self-depricating, a lot of our humour stems from this. Maybe why Em's material is often so well received here.

Most rappers are so consumed in image and self-promotion / ego that the only way they try to provide humour is by being cocky. At the expense of others. Em is king because as well as doing this too, better than them, he gives it twice back to HIMSELF but makes it work. Calls himself an asshole. He's made it cool to be a psycho-bum in a vest eating cheerios. His self-attacking wit is unmatched.

What I can give credit to Eminem is that he is one of the most flexible MCs with multi-syllabic rhyming. Few rappers come close to his accomplished skill at that art form, but then again, multi-syllabic rhyming is only half of what makes a good lyricist.

Yes this is why I say Canibus is not on his level. Because that's pretty much all he cares about. He has no other elements that make a great MC and Em's flow(s) also shit all over Bis'.

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Also, you say Nas rarely switches subject-matter. He probably has the most diverse topics I know of, with depictions of urban life, braggadocio rap, racial issues, social issues, stories of birth, religious issues, hip hop issues, political issues, and just plain fun.

Lmao this is not true. He's nowhere near one of the most diverse rappers ever, are you insane. I own all of his discography and love most of it. Illmatic still sounds fresher than nearly everything out TODAY.

But to say he's diverse is not true at all. All of those things you branched off into can be summed up in one topic: Black culture. He talks about street life, the life of a black man in New York, the life of being a black gangsta, black-urban life in general. Like most black rappers.

He rarely ever strays from this. It's only been of late he's started to branch out a little more intelligently into more general political issues. Such as the affect of media-brainwashing on the incredible "Sly Fox" track. But again, he's often using his religious ideology and black preaching for justification of much of his preaching.

Like Mos Def, he's obsessed with black culture. Which is fine. But that's all he ever raps about. Of course you get the odd joke-song to do with bitches or something like "Dr. Knockboot" but it's very rare he changes subject-matter. Just look at his 2008 album Untitled. Harping back to talking about slavery... Which he didn't endure but feels he has the right to claim and speak on as if he's a prophet of it lmao. And his next album with Damian Marley, aimed at African culture. He rarely strays.

Eminem, on the other hand, is either: family issues, political issues, nonsense, or serial killing. Or the "I'm Back Again" topic. Some of his songs are just ridiculous, in a bad way. It just makes you shake your head and wonder why the fuck does man in his 30's still do that.

And with Eminem, on the other hand, you've done the opposite. With Nas you tried to sub-categorize one or two categories (black culture and urban life) into 8 or 9 and with Em you've tried to pack-down dozens of genuinely separate topics into a handful lmao.

No rapper has rapped about as many things as Eminem. Eminem puts spins on all of these things to create pure originality. Lets just look at The Slim Shady LP, official debut... He turns a half-real story of a brutal bully incident into a half-fictional, cartoonish tale of violence and an ode to drugs with "Brain Damage".

He expresses the love for his daughter and the hate for his wife simultaneously, whilst at the same time putting an ironic spin on an already existing track with "97 Bonnie & Clyde" by creating a murder tale, told through the medium of baby-talk... In real-time. Whilst at the same time making a poetic comparison to the infamous outlaws as him and his daughter.

Then on "Role Model" he puts an ironic spin on the saying itself, whilst sending a message to society, cramming the brain of the consumer with intense visual lyricism and hilarious punchlines. He makes a very serious point without being pompous and still being ingeniously entertaining.

I mean, I could go on. Song for song, album for album. So yes, he either does something relating to his family or his own life. He either makes up an entirely fictional story, like any genuine writer should do. He addresses a political issue relating to his music or he enters the mind-frame of a serial killer to create serial-killing melodrama. Sounds pretty diverse to me.

And with all that, no rapper covers as many topics line-for-line. Because no matter what he's rapping about, you get his entire mind of babble every time. References to characters in history, slipping out of 3rd and 1st person, going from narrator to guy in the scene, I mean just so many difficult writing techniques. Made to look effortless. And to add to all this, he creates almost an entirely new flow EVERY TRACK. Nevermind every album. Nas has kept pretty much the same one for 15 years.

I'm not hating on Eminem or dickriding Nas, I'm just pointing out the errors of your argument. And what do you mean witty? You mean punch-line witty or metaphor-witty or content-witty? Because many other rappers have better punchlines, better metaphors (falls under punchlines at times), and MUCH better content. (at times) Witty doesn't mean you can come up with various ways of rape/murder.

And I'm not hating on Nas or dickriding Em. I love them both. And I hope I've addressed what you thought of as errors in my argument. I feel like I've more than expanded on them. I've try to keep it minimal too to avoid a 20 page essay, failed miserably but it could of been a lot worse.

When I say witty, I mean it in the purest sense. Witty humour. He has BITING, scathing irony that no rapper matches. And yes I'm well aware what witty means thanks. At what point did I say his murder tales are example of his wit?

I'm talking about...
"When I grab a pencil and squeeze it between fingers. I'm not a rapper, I'm a deamon who speaks English"

and

"I'm looking for somebody OF to beat the crap OUT"

Not his best examples but just to provide the type of wit I'm talking about. On top of this he's very self-depricating. Which is hilarious. And very British. Maybe that's why I prefer his wit more as I'm British. British comedians and people are very self-depricating, a lot of our humour stems from this. Maybe why Em's material is often so well received here.

Most rappers are so consumed in image and self-promotion / ego that the only way they try to provide humour is by being cocky. At the expense of others. Em is king because as well as doing this too, better than them, he gives it twice back to HIMSELF but makes it work. Calls himself an asshole. He's made it cool to be a psycho-bum in a vest eating cheerios. His self-attacking wit is unmatched.

What I can give credit to Eminem is that he is one of the most flexible MCs with multi-syllabic rhyming. Few rappers come close to his accomplished skill at that art form, but then again, multi-syllabic rhyming is only half of what makes a good lyricist.

Yes this is why I say Canibus is not on his level. Because that's pretty much all he cares about. He has no other elements that make a great MC and Em's flow(s) also shit all over Bis'.

Holy shit; I can't respond to that novel you wrote right there, but I'll brief it.

Perhaps you're right: Nas likes to talk about black culture. Maybe he has different ways to approach the topic, many different methods, on that note, it still is black culture. Maybe Eminem has more than plain serial killing, he has stories about serial killing instead. Some of them are told in different perspectives, like babies. Brilliant.

Perhaps Eminem "switches his flow in every song". One song he's dead-serious, next song he is trying to imitate Ghostface singing soprano on drugs. Yes, maybe Eminem has sent brilliant messages to society: "Stick my middle finger up". He really contributed positively to society, attacking all critics and denouncing many "boy-bands" like N-SYNC.

Of course Eminem doesn't just rap; he raps "like any genuine writer would do", like composing flawless tales of raping a woman named Brenda in the "middle of December", with excellent technique in visual expression, such as "umbrellas opening". Not only does he rape women, he likes to exaggerate on various ways to torture men. Truly, this is the embodiment of diversity, right?

Witty, of course. Canibus couldn't compare to Eminem writing punchlines; how would you even put 'Bis in the same sentence as Slim? Slim is the best ever, no doubt, if you don't believe it, I'm prepared to go all-out on you in a 40-page essay. Most rappers are just obsessed with themselves, they're not true hip hop. Eminem is true hip hop.

The Caucasian rapper who came out in 1999, more than 20 years since hip-hop's beginnings is the best, because he broke the tradition. All the "old school" rappers can't compare to Eminem, because the "old school" rappers are all black and only talk about black culture, which is boring, unlike Eminem, who likes to talk about "bullies beating the shit out of him in grade school".

Eminem is the greatest of all time, no comparison.

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^ Just ridiculous.

Your brief of my response is just a lame attempt to whitewash the argument, again, like I predicted in the first response - By playing the 'Stan' and race cards. How pathetic.

But luckily there are plenty of intelligent people here who will read my response and actually see the logical points and either agree or disagree. But see the arguments as actual points as apposed to blanking it all out and doing what you're doing.

Trying to pretend I'm coming at the argument from the petty-minded, racist angle you and many people keep trying to pretend others are coming at it from won't work with me. You may like to imagine that I'm coming at it from that angle and you're free to do so. I'm only interested in debating with logical people.

I count on those members.

We disagree. Bye.

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^ Just ridiculous.

Your brief of my response is just a lame attempt to whitewash the argument, again, like I predicted in the first response - By playing the 'Stan' and race cards. How pathetic.

But luckily there are plenty of intelligent people here who will read my response and actually see the logical points and either agree or disagree. But see the arguments as actual points as apposed to blanking it all out and doing what you're doing.

I count on those members.

We disagree. Bye.

Were you possibly trying to convert me? Disagreement is a universal fact you need to accept.

I wasn't trying to "whitewash" the argument. I was trying to "de-exaggerate" your points. Comparing serial killing stories to what "a genuine writer would do". Are you possibly putting Stay Wide Awake on the same level as a classic novel. They are different types of art.

You made every single of Eminem's traits sound ridiculously flawless. And yet you avoided his flaws, which I hope you see, as everyone has flaws. Anyways, I see you are on a personal mission to convert everyone who thinks Eminem is flawed to your side, where Eminem is the Edward Cullen's ancestor.

No point now, apparently.

EDIT: Please keep your response short, as I know you're doing. It strains my eyes to read too much.

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I wasn't trying to "whitewash" the argument. I was trying to "de-exaggerate" your points. Comparing serial killing stories to what "a genuine writer would do". Are you possibly putting Stay Wide Awake on the same level as a classic novel. They are different types of art.

You made every single of Eminem's traits sound ridiculously flawless. And yet you avoided his flaws, which I hope you see, as everyone has flaws. Anyways, I see you are on a personal mission to convert everyone who thinks Eminem is flawed to your side, where Eminem is the Edward Cullen's ancestor.

No point now, apparently.

Your argument fails logically. Stop putting your ideas of what you wish I were saying as if I said them to try and fit your argument. at WHAT POINT, did I compare ANY Eminem song to a novel

Your just adding in fictional argument now. I said he does what any writer should do. Or be able to do. Write fictional stories. That says NOTHING about how good those stories are and it certainly does nothing of the sort as to compare them to fucking novels.

All that's saying is, every true writer should be able to create stories from his or her imagination. Many rappers don't and can't do this effectively. He can. This point was in response to our debate on diversity. So this idea of suddenly comparing his songs to novels... You're mad.

And yes I have just been pointing out all the good things about Eminem music. Since... I am after-all debating you on why I think Eminem is the best. It's long enough trying to expand on all his good points so it'd be a bit self-defeating, long-winded and stupid to start expanding on his bad ones.

That's YOUR job lmao. I didn't see you talk about Nas' flaws either. Why the fuck would you. What a ridiculous point to make. Again you're just trying to (even though you say you're not), simplify and whitewash this by pretending I'm in love with Eminem. A stan. As if I'm deluded by his yellow-goodness.

Of course he has flaws. But I'm arguing FOR him. So it's a bit stupid for me to start arguing against him. He's self-obsessed, he often fails to fully commit to concepts, begins irrelevantly, quite a lot of flaws. But without those he wouldn't be Eminem. We need the good with the bad. Like you said, everybody has flaws. I'm arguing FOR him though.

Also you trying to... Condescendingly snout at 'serial killing stories' as if to invalidate a certain type of story, namely the ones he works with as not genuine writing is nonsensical. Most of Shakespeare's stories were about murder. Love and murder. It's irrelevant what the story is about. Just how it's done. Of course it's still proper writing if it's about serial killing. It can be about anything. It's about how it's done. Technique. And he has trememndous writing technique.

He effortlessly slips in and out of narrator, 1st and 3rd person, creates immense visual imagery, connects with the listner, creates 'in-jokes' to make the listner feel like they're 'in on it'. So many brilliant things that not only other rappers fail at, but other actual writers in general fail at. He's a master of the English language. Just to add, yes he does also employ many novelist techniques. He's not slave to the traditional tramlines, he's an innovator.

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I wasn't trying to "whitewash" the argument. I was trying to "de-exaggerate" your points. Comparing serial killing stories to what "a genuine writer would do". Are you possibly putting Stay Wide Awake on the same level as a classic novel. They are different types of art.

You made every single of Eminem's traits sound ridiculously flawless. And yet you avoided his flaws, which I hope you see, as everyone has flaws. Anyways, I see you are on a personal mission to convert everyone who thinks Eminem is flawed to your side, where Eminem is the Edward Cullen's ancestor.

No point now, apparently.

Your argument fails logically. Stop putting your ideas of what you wish I were saying as if I said them to try and fit your argument. at WHAT POINT, did I compare ANY Eminem song to a novel

Your just adding in fictional argument now. I said he does what any writer should do. Or be able to do. Write fictional stories. That says NOTHING about how good those stories are and it certainly does nothing of the sort as to compare them to fucking novels.

All that's saying is, every true writer should be able to create stories from his or her imagination. Many rappers don't and can't do this effectively. He can. This point was in response to our debate on diversity. So this idea of suddenly comparing his songs to novels... You're mad.

And yes I have just been pointing out all the good things about Eminem music. Since... I am after-all debating you on why I think Eminem is the best. It's long enough trying to expand on all his good points so it'd be a bit self-defeating, long-winded and stupid to start expanding on his bad ones.

That's YOUR job lmao. I didn't see you talk about Nas' flaws either. Why the fuck would you. What a ridiculous point to make. Again you're just trying to (even though you say you're not), simplify and whitewash this by pretending I'm in love with Eminem. A stan. As if I'm deluded by his yellow-goodness.

Of course he has flaws. But I'm arguing FOR him. So it's a bit stupid for me to start arguing against him. He's self-obsessed, he often fails to fully commit to concepts, begins irrelevantly, quite a lot of flaws. But without those he wouldn't be Eminem. We need the good with the bad. Like you said, everybody has flaws. I'm arguing FOR him though.

Also you trying to... Condescendingly snout at 'serial killing stories' as if to invalidate a certain type of story, namely the ones he works with as not genuine writing is nonsensical. Most of Shakespeare's stories were about murder. Love and murder. It's irrelevant what the story is about. Just how it's done. Of course it's still proper writing if it's about serial killing. It can be about anything. It's about how it's done. Technique. And he has trememndous writing technique.

He effortlessly slips in and out of narrator, 1st and 3rd person, creates immense visual imagery, connects with the listner, creates 'in-jokes' to make the listner feel like they're 'in on it'. So many brilliant things that not only other rappers fail at, but other actual writers in general fail at. He's a master of the English language.

You just denied that you were comparing Eminem to classics and then you bring up Shakespeare.

Anyways, I'm out, if this is turning into a personal battle of who comes up with better insults towards each other, as I've seen you done plenty of times before. He never even attended college and you call him a master of the English language.

I did talk about Nas's flaws. Did I not say that he only talks about black culture? That is true.
And I admitted that Eminem was good at multi-syllabic rhyming.

Seriously, if every debate gets you so hyped up and willing to even take it on a personal level, why bother?

I understand you're going to throw some more insults with some capitalized phrases. Hm, maybe even some "Your Logic Disturbs Me" kind of phrases. Bring it. It's expected by now.

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Just to add, yes he does also employ many novelist techniques. He's not slave to the traditional tramlines, he's an innovator.

Why not give him a Nobel Prize in Literature then?