will eminem fall off again with relapse 2 ?

[EminemBase]

Ricky Ticky Toc screams not fallen off too

Yeah exactly. On fire.

And "We As Americans".

Those were amazing, but I thought I heard somewhere that those were written around 03.

Well i don't know, we can squabble a year or two but they were intedned for Encore. They leaked and got pulled. "We As Americans" got Em invtestigated by the CIA too for possible threat to the president.

Could also be a reason it got taken off the album but should of been a reason they fucking left it on. Great track.

[Bistnal]

Yeah exactly. On fire.

And "We As Americans".

Those were amazing, but I thought I heard somewhere that those were written around 03.

Well i don't know, we can squabble a year or two but they were intedned for Encore. They leaked and got pulled. "We As Americans" got Em invtestigated by the CIA too for possible threat to the president.

Yeah, I know that, I found that kinda funny that the CIA was investigating him lol. I think though around 04 it seems he started getting sick of it and his writing started to suffer a bit, and We as Americans is amazing, and I thought maybe he wrote before he started getting sick of it, around 03 when his writing was still amazing. It was maybe intended for Encore, but for all we know it could've been written over a year before the album was released and months before it got leaked.

[Wic Kid]

IMO, no. No way. But judgin by people's reaction to his late stuff...he cant win. Some fans want him to go back to MMLP and TES style, some say that'd be washed up. He just cant win. I already accepted the fact that lotta ppl here will bash on R2 no matter how good it is. They either lost faith in Em or...dont wanna say the other thing, I'd just start another pointless debate about that Stannery bullshit. And thats pretty fuckin annoying. So when R2 leaks, I'll download it and get off TR for a week or two.

[Bistnal]

IMO, no. No way. But judgin by people's reaction to his late stuff...he cant win. Some fans want him to go back to MMLP and TES style, some say that'd be washed up. He just cant win. I already accepted the fact that lotta ppl here will bash on R2 no matter how good it is. They either lost faith in Em or...dont wanna say the other thing, I'd just start another pointless debate about that Stannery bullshit. And thats pretty fuckin annoying. So when R2 leaks, I'll download it and get off TR for a week or two.

You know you'll want to stay here and watch all the drama that'll occur, all the stannery, all the anti stannery, and everything that comes with an Eminem release You know, just sit back and watch the fun.

[dR3]

"We As Americans" got Em invtestigated by the CIA too for possible threat to the president.

I'd rather see the president dead.

[EminemBase]

Yeah, I know that, I found that kinda funny that the CIA was investigating him lol. I think though around 04 it seems he started getting sick of it and his writing started to suffer a bit, and We as Americans is amazing, and I thought maybe he wrote before he started getting sick of it, around 03 when his writing was still amazing. It was maybe intended for Encore, but for all we know it could've been written over a year before the album was released and months before it got leaked.

Sounds to me like 04 material. The flow, the tone, even the lyricism. Feels 04 to me. I just think his passion suffered and he knew all to well what we knew would be predictable. So tried to just second-guess and do stupid shit because he likes surprise. Should of just focused on making one solid album though.

@Wic Kid - Agreed. People will just complain no matter what. I can even remember seeing everybody in creation just bitching about Em's bitching when he was gonna comeback.

Saying they want him to chop people up and go insane etc.

Then he does that to the max and people say he's lost his subject matter lmao.

[Wic Kid]

IMO, no. No way. But judgin by people's reaction to his late stuff...he cant win. Some fans want him to go back to MMLP and TES style, some say that'd be washed up. He just cant win. I already accepted the fact that lotta ppl here will bash on R2 no matter how good it is. They either lost faith in Em or...dont wanna say the other thing, I'd just start another pointless debate about that Stannery bullshit. And thats pretty fuckin annoying. So when R2 leaks, I'll download it and get off TR for a week or two.

You know you'll want to stay here and watch all the drama that'll occur, all the stannery, all the anti stannery, and everything that comes with an Eminem release You know, just sit back and watch the fun.

I dont know, man. Discreditin man and his skills cuz of his "Stans" or cuz you think that makes you look more of a fan of TRUE rap? It makes me fuckin sick.

[Bistnal]

Yeah, I know that, I found that kinda funny that the CIA was investigating him lol. I think though around 04 it seems he started getting sick of it and his writing started to suffer a bit, and We as Americans is amazing, and I thought maybe he wrote before he started getting sick of it, around 03 when his writing was still amazing. It was maybe intended for Encore, but for all we know it could've been written over a year before the album was released and months before it got leaked.

Sounds to me like 04 material. The flow, the tone, even the lyricism. Feels 04 to me. I just think his passion suffered and he knew all to well what we knew would be predictable. So tried to just second-guess and do stupid shit because he likes surprise. Should of just focused on making one solid album though.

You could be right, but if that's 04 writing, makes you wonder how the hell did we get shit like just lose it and my 1st single He should've just kept going and ignored the leak and making good material instead of "funny" stuff to replace them. Would've at least an acceptable album. Oh well.

IMO, no. No way. But judgin by people's reaction to his late stuff...he cant win. Some fans want him to go back to MMLP and TES style, some say that'd be washed up. He just cant win. I already accepted the fact that lotta ppl here will bash on R2 no matter how good it is. They either lost faith in Em or...dont wanna say the other thing, I'd just start another pointless debate about that Stannery bullshit. And thats pretty fuckin annoying. So when R2 leaks, I'll download it and get off TR for a week or two.

You know you'll want to stay here and watch all the drama that'll occur, all the stannery, all the anti stannery, and everything that comes with an Eminem release You know, just sit back and watch the fun.

I dont know, man. Discreditin man and his skills cuz of his "Stans" or cuz you think that makes you look more of a fan of TRUE rap? It makes me fuckin sick.

I agree it is annoying, but you KNOW that if the album is even 1/2 as good as the hype is making it out to be that even the die hard "hip hop heads" will be drooling over it, at least for the first couple days.

[Elision]

i dont thnk so

Em learns from this mistakes.

Won't happen.

[Wic Kid]

but you KNOW that if the album is even 1/2 as good as the hype is making it out to be that even the die hard "hip hop heads" will be drooling over it, at least for the first couple days.

Believe me, that wont happen. Even if it does, they wont show it. Mark my words.

[EminemBase]

^ Well we got Just Lose It because Interscope always want a zany 1st single and he'd figured out the formula well and truly by then. So just churned out another one despite the fact it wasn't natural to him at that point. Just forced nonsense.

As for My 1st Single though... Yeah kind of stupid but the flow is actually prettty nut lol. And the rhyming. If anything ruins it, it's actually Em's production which for once, is too loud against his vocals.

@Wic Kid - Agree again.

I know for a fact, even if R2 is Illmatic meets MMLP on crack, speed and cocaine, in a constant state of orgasism, I'll browse hip-hop forums and see people finding something wrong with it.

Comments like
"Yeah the white boy can spit but he ain't got metaphors joey. I just can't get into his psycho shit".
or
"Pretty good. Few dope tracks.... Goes back to bumping HOV "

[EminemIVLife]

He'l never please every1, his ridiculously high standards set early in his career come at a cost. Even if r2 is the shit.

[EminemBase]

^ Well I think lyrically and flow-wise, he'll top everything he's done. Pretty easily.

Just look at his Westwood freestyles. Insane, he's like a machine.

It's just whether he can get the right balance of subject matter, find enough interesting things to rap about, create enough originality and structure the album as good.

I hope so.

[Bistnal]

but you KNOW that if the album is even 1/2 as good as the hype is making it out to be that even the die hard "hip hop heads" will be drooling over it, at least for the first couple days.

Believe me, that wont happen. Even if it does, they wont show it. Mark my words.

But you'll know that they'll like it even if they try to be unimpressed. Either way it'll be interesting to see how the album turns out and how much this forum freaks out.

^ Well we got Just Lose It because Interscope always want a zany 1st single and he'd figured out the formula well and truly by then. So just churned out another one despite the fact it wasn't natural to him at that point. Just forced nonsense.

As for My 1st Single though... Yeah kind of stupid but the flow is actually prettty nut lol. And the rhyming. If anything ruins it, it's actually Em's production which for once, is too loud against his vocals.

I know, but like Without Me & TRSS were good and zany, I think Em himself was just sick of the 'formula'. And the flow on 1st Single is the only good thing, all the weird sounds and what he's actually talking about is

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if he was sick of the formula for his singles why did he copy it on relapse ?