Perhaps he needs a better writing process?

[murphmanny]

"Like I already got the beat, all I need is the words."

-8 Mile (I think)

[KieranLewisEM]

doubt it when hes probaly getting beats thrown right at him every single minute lol

[Alaine]

yeah he nailed all the beats in his first 2 albums

[EminemIVLife]

yeah he nailed all the beats in his first 2 albums

1st 3

[Alaine]

yeah he nailed all the beats in his first 2 albums

1st 3

in his first 2 he made the beat ride with him, since TES he rides with the beat, that's why I said he 'nailed' it in the first 2


Damn he needs his Britney book back Anyone think this loss contributed to his style change?

[Alaine]

do you guys think if we all stopped buying his albums and push him to rock bottom of relevancy/popularity.. he would try to make good music again?

[EminemBase]

youre telling someone who has been in the game for 20 some years how to do his job? lol

he hasn't been in the game since 1990, wtf are you talking about... he came out in 1999.

No he got put out on a major label in 1999.

He's been making music since a kid but signed to FBT in 1992. He then did Soul Intent and then put out Infinite in 1996. Infinite was released on the Bass Bros' independent label Web Entertainment.

So I mean technically, if you count 'in the game' as signed, to any label he's been in the game for 18 years. Or if you count it as since he first put out an actual album, 14 years.

But I'd say it's 18 as he was making music on a label, with a production team, since then.

But in response to the original question...

Erm, I guess you're asking should he write to beats again instead of writing in his head and fitting it to the beat?

I mean, he still does. He said he usually always just listens to the beat. That's why "3AM" starts off like it does because it sounded like a dark corridor / horror / murder-scene to him.

I mean originally, like 99' he never used to do what the better option you're suggesting is anyway. He didn't have an arsenal of beats and wasn't used to it. He just used to write down random metaphors, rhymes, anything and then piece it all together. As you can tell from like "I'm Shady".

I think the only difference is with his own music he makes and the music Dr. Dre makes for him is... When Dre makes it, Em hears the beat and writes to it or whatever. But when Em makes it, he constructs a whole, layered song to the flow / idea.

Like "The Way I Am", "White America", "Till I Collapse".... All of The Eminem Show, he doesn't make random beats and then rap to them, he knows how he wants the beat to go and totally hones and builds it to his flow. He makes his voice become the beat.

That's why I prefer him producing himself though. I hope he has at least a few of his own on R2.

[Sophie]

I always heard..and this has been said by many other artists as well, that it varies, so i'm pretty sure it's the same with him, so personally i don't think he needs a better writing process..it's whatever works for him.

[Emadyville]

I think it's an interesting idea, but he has to do what's best at the time I think, if hearing the beat sparks something then great, if he writes then makes a beat to fit his idea then that's also great, so I think it just needs to happen as it happens, not programed one way or the other

[EminemBase]

firstly.. i consider "the game" or "the rap game" as the main stream of rap... rappers who have much exposure & circulation are in the game. otherwise you can have MC Average Joe claiming he's been in the game for 10 years making beats on GarageBand & putting his raps on MySpace that nobody ever listens to. eminem entered "the game" under that definition in 1999 (nobody outside detroit knew who he was before then).

Well not really, putting music out on MySpace is totally different to being signed to a label.

He's been signed to FBT since 92. They're official producers. He's been on a label, even though it was independent since 92. So he's been in the game since 92.

Nobody knew who he was because he wasn't successful in making an impact but there are plenty of rappers / acts who first made a major impact on independent labels. Infinite just didn't sell very well but it was still an official release. Just didn't have major distribution.

And I also think he should construct beats to fit the music. This is why I prefer his own production for him as opposed to Dre's.

[EminemIVLife]

do you guys think if we all stopped buying his albums and push him to rock bottom of relevancy/popularity.. he would try to make good music again?

More like push him to relapse for real

[Emadyville]

firstly.. i consider "the game" or "the rap game" as the main stream of rap... rappers who have much exposure & circulation are in the game. otherwise you can have MC Average Joe claiming he's been in the game for 10 years making beats on GarageBand & putting his raps on MySpace that nobody ever listens to. eminem entered "the game" under that definition in 1999 (nobody outside detroit knew who he was before then).

Well not really, putting music out on MySpace is totally different to being signed to a label.

He's been signed to FBT since 92. They're official producers. He's been on a label, even though it was independent since 92. So he's been in the game since 92.

Nobody knew who he was because he wasn't successful in making an impact but there are plenty of rappers / acts who first made a major impact on independent labels. Infinite just didn't sell very well but it was still an official release. Just didn't have major distribution.

And I also think he should construct beats to fit the music. This is why I prefer his own production for him as opposed to Dre's.

I see what you're saying, but having exposure in just part of detroit back then I wouldn't consider being official, shit having a myspace can have anyone in the world hear you, so I'm not sure you can say what em did back then was "legit" other than the fact it was an actual label.

[UofLCard]

youre telling someone who has been in the game for 20 some years how to do his job? lol

he hasn't been in the game since 1990, wtf are you talking about... he came out in 1999.

No he got put out on a major label in 1999.

He's been making music since a kid but signed to FBT in 1992. He then did Soul Intent and then put out Infinite in 1996. Infinite was released on the Bass Bros' independent label Web Entertainment.

Do you know what year Soul Intent first got together? I'm thinking it was 1989 or 1990.

[Dark Blue]

i think he did great on every album but i do know what your sayin and i kinda agree with some of it lol

[Slill_Slim_Shady]

Em is a pro maybe we shoud let him to do what he knows