Anything put a damper on Eminem's legacy

[Fa-Q]

The only thing I could thing of was his bad years...Encore and his haitus...but if Relapse 2 is a classic I think people will forget all that


What do you think could be a blotch on his legacy

[Alaine]

Underground rap fans stopped fucking with him since Encore cuz he turned to popstar (start from TES actually)
Mainstream stopped fucking with him since Relapse cuz he turned to a serial killer and not being a popstar anymore. And not to mention the weird accent put people off

I don't know if we're talking about Em as an emcee or a star in this thread but if we're talking about Em's career in general, Relapse definitely hurts his career the most. You only have one chance to prove people after 5 years & the let down Encore, but he kinda fucked it up Relapse just didn't live up to the hype and a rather forgettable album.

Em lost either way.

[Shayne L]

Underground rap fans stopped fucking with him since Encore cuz he turned to popstar (start from TES actually)
Mainstream stopped fucking with him since Relapse cuz he turned to a serial killer and not being a popstar anymore. And not to mention the weird accent put people off

I don't know if we're talking about Em as an emcee or a star in this thread but if we're talking about Em's career in general, Relapse definitely hurts his career the most. You only have one chance to prove people after 5 years & the let down Encore, but he kinda fucked it up Relapse just didn't live up to the hype and a rather forgettable album.

Em lost either way.

Yeah, that explains why Beautiful and Crack A Bottle were both such a hit

[Alaine]

^ except they're not. Em don't have any radio hit this year like in his previous albums (even Encore have hits), if you can't see it then you're simply in denial cuz it's rather obvious.

[Shayne L]

^ except they're not. Em don't have any radio hit this year like in his previous albums (even Encore have hits), if you can't see it then you're simply in denial cuz it's rather obvious.

But almost everyone I know loves Beautiful, even non - rap fans. When Relapse came out, I don't know if you remember, but it was number one in around 10 countries for several days. Relapse definitely did not hurt his career. Whilst the content may be passable or forgettable, the flow and the rhyme schemes were probably near to the best he's ever done. Crack A Bottle and Beautiful WERE radio hits actually.

[Alaine]

^ except they're not. Em don't have any radio hit this year like in his previous albums (even Encore have hits), if you can't see it then you're simply in denial cuz it's rather obvious.

But almost everyone I know loves Beautiful, even non - rap fans. When Relapse came out, I don't know if you remember, but it was number one in around 10 countries for several days. Relapse definitely did not hurt his career. Whilst the content may be passable or forgettable, the flow and the rhyme schemes were probably near to the best he's ever done. Crack A Bottle and Beautiful WERE radio hits actually.

everyone I know like Beautiful too, mostly because I introduced them that said, not many people knew about the song. Definition of a hit today = radio play, none of Relapse single exploded on the radio. Jay-Z's ESOM is a hit, Beautiful & CAB are not. Just ask a random non-rap music listener, doubt they can name one of the song off the new album

Relapse definitely did not hurt his career. Whilst the content may be passable or forgettable, the flow and the rhyme schemes were probably near to the best he's ever done.

yeah because casual music listeners give a fuck about "rhyme schemes" They only care if the song is catchy, while Relapse is musically weak (to me).

Relapse proved to some ppl that he can still rhyme, but it hurts his career as a mainstream artist. It's not publicity embraced and no one other than Em's fans talked about it 1 month after. He's lucky that his core fanbase still bought the album, cuz I really don't see anyone hearing the singles and want to buy the album.

[Shayne L]

Since when was Eminem trying to be mainstream anyway? He's not a sell out, he's a genuine rapper. In fact, I remember reading somewhere where he said that he made that album for himself. His own enjoyment, I don't think he actually cares if it sells or not. He just wants to rap. Eminem doesn't make music for 'casual music listeners' so that's irrelevant, and you only have to look at Relapse's sales to know that it was not a failure in any way. Eminem is actually becoming very popular again, I have people who don't even listen to rap asking me stuff like "HAVE YOU HEARD EMINEMS NEW SONG?!" every time a new one comes out. And yes, if I ask casual music listeners to name a song off Relapse they will say "Beautiful" well, at least where I'm from, they would.

All in all, Eminem made this album for himself, and probably for his rap fans. In no way was he trying to win over 'casual music listeners' unless you can show me a quote where he clearly states it.

He's lucky that his core fanbase still bought the album, cuz I really don't see anyone hearing the singles and want to buy the album.

Number one in over 10 countries speaks for itself, don't you think?

But, on topic. I agree with the OP. His disappearance from the rap game is the most likely culprit. I don't think Encore hurt him THAT much, but maybe he did lose a fraction of respect from hardcore rap fans due to some of the horrible songs on there. I also think he is fortunate that his racist tapes didn't have more of a crushing blow to his career, but I guess when you're as talented as Eminem, you're going to sell regardless.

[Alaine]

Since when was Eminem trying to be mainstream anyway? He's not a sell out, he's a genuine rapper. In fact, I remember reading somewhere where he said that he made that album for himself. His own enjoyment, I don't think he actually cares if it sells or not. He just wants to rap. Eminem doesn't make music for 'casual music listeners' so that's irrelevant, and you only have to look at Relapse's sales to know that it was not a failure in any way. Eminem is actually becoming very popular again, I have people who don't even listen to rap asking me stuff like "HAVE YOU HEARD EMINEMS NEW SONG?!" every time a new one comes out. And yes, if I ask casual music listeners to name a song off Relapse they will say "Beautiful" well, at least where I'm from, they would.

All in all, Eminem made this album for himself, and probably for his rap fans. In no way was he trying to win over 'casual music listeners' unless you can show me a quote where he clearly states it.

yeas I know that he makes music because he loves doing it, not because of money or popularity, what's what I like about him. But that was not the point of my post, unless you misreading

Number one in over 10 countries speaks for itself, don't you think?

Eminem himself is popular, but not the album Relapse. People mainly bought it because it's "new Eminem album!", not because of the music in it.

[Shayne L]

You're entitled to your opinion, but your comments have caused me decide that I should refrain from debating with you any longer. No offense, but I have better things to do than waste my time with someone who clearly has a chip on their shoulder regarding Eminem.

[Alaine]

^ then you shouldn't register just to debate with me from the first place. I guess you're regretting that now.

[Shayne L]

You're absurd. Don't be so egoistic and full of yourself, I did not sign up to debate with you, I joined to show my support to eminem. No I don't regret debating with you, in fact the only outcome was that it cemented my previous beliefs that many people do not deserve to call themselves eminem fans. Good day.

[SliK]

lol I suppose Relapse and Crack a Bottle won a grammys because they were so unpopular? Not to mention Crack a Bottle BROKE RECORDS for most downloads in a week, going straight to number 1.

I think Encore + hiatus hurt his career the most, as far as fans are concerned. But I agree that if Relapse 2 is a success all will be forgiven

[Alaine]

You're absurd. Don't be so egoistic and full of yourself, I did not sign up to debate with you, I joined to show my support to eminem. No I don't regret debating with you, in fact the only outcome was that it cemented my previous beliefs that many people do not deserve to call themselves eminem fans. Good day.

so I guess it's just coincidence that you sign up today then
it's kinda late to say welcome but you'd be surprised to know that I'm actually called Stan by some ppl here

lol I suppose Relapse and Crack a Bottle won a grammys because they were so unpopular? Not to mention Crack a Bottle BROKE RECORDS for most downloads in a week, going straight to number 1.

compared to other nominations Relapse is the most popular by farr
and it broke record because it's new Eminem music after 5 years. Eminem is popular, but not Relapse, it had all the hype going but the hype died right after the album release.

[Shayne L]

so I guess it's just coincidence that you sign up today then
it's kinda late to say welcome but you'd be surprised to know that I'm actually called Stan by some ppl here

You''re right, that is shocking.

[Anim]

Since when did people have to deserve being a fan of someone?

Anyway's I agree with everything Alaine said