Anything put a damper on Eminem's legacy

[Evan C.]

Her post was pretty retarded. So the mediocre comeback album is MORE damaging to his legacy than the awful album that damaged his reputation in the first place?

That isn't great logic to say the least.

Even if you disagree with her opinion, that doesn't give EminemInsider clearance to attack her personally.
I like to refer to that brand of cruelty as Internet Specific Sociopathy.
That is: The bearer has consideration for others face to face, but has a tendency to forget or simply ignore the fact that fellow human beings ARE being subject to the bearer's hurtful comments in the etherworld.

You're talking about having consideration for others over the internet yet you have disgusting themes in your screen name, signature, and avatar. If you're that worried about peoples feelings maybe you should take that into consideration.

But anyway, if anyone actually takes offense to words sent to them by anonymous people over a computer screen then they're just as idiotic as EminemInsider described.

[Evan C.]

did you even read my post I said Relapse hurts his career as a mainstream artist as it certainly did. Encore may damage his image as an emcee more but that wasn't my point

Both Encore and Relapse did huge numbers commercially so I don't see your point. As a mainstream artist, Relapse may not have done a lot to help his image out, but it certainly didn't hurt it any. Since Encore came out his legacy has been irreparably damaged.

[Alaine]

did you even read my post I said Relapse hurts his career as a mainstream artist as it certainly did. Encore may damage his image as an emcee more but that wasn't my point

Both Encore and Relapse did huge numbers commercially so I don't see your point. As a mainstream artist, Relapse may not have done a lot to help his image out, but it certainly didn't hurt it any. Since Encore came out his legacy has been irreparably damaged.

That's not true Relapse scare a lot of people away, especially casual mainstream listeners. You may say they're not hip-hop fans anyway so who cares but those are the people that made number.
Relapse did not have 'huge' number like you said, it's just OK.. For a comeback album with someone huge like Eminem himself, it could have done a lot better. It's the least successful album by Em commercially.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

You're talking about having consideration for others over the internet yet you have disgusting themes in your screen name, signature, and avatar. If you're that worried about peoples feelings maybe you should take that into consideration.

But anyway, if anyone actually takes offense to words sent to them by anonymous people over a computer screen then they're just as idiotic as EminemInsider described.

My pride won't allow me to accept the notion of hypocrisy, such as you suggest.

I fail to see the correlation between death metal lyrics, which are never meant to be taken seriously and pertain to a genre that supports unity and kids having a good time and having a positive outlet for negative thoughts;
and cyber bullying, which is intentionally hurtful and leads to things like low self esteem, developmental problems and suicide.

Think about what you're saying.

[lakaisx]

Relapse was alright as an album, but co-sign completely with Alaine. If you guys actually think that Beautiful and Crack a Bottle were such a hit, you were obviously like five when his first three solo albums came out, because when songs hit like My name is, Way I Am, Real Slim Shady, even Without me, you would not be calling those two songs big hits.

[Elision]

^ except they're not. Em don't have any radio hit this year like in his previous albums (even Encore have hits), if you can't see it then you're simply in denial cuz it's rather obvious.

Fuck this fame that aint what
I came to claim but the game aint gonna be the same
on the day that i leave it

[EminemBase]

Underground rap fans stopped fucking with him since Encore cuz he turned to popstar (start from TES actually)

No he never became a pop star. If you make music or become a star as an upshot of popularity, no matter how big you get or how many awards you win - That doesn't make you a popstar. You can't control who or how many like you.

Neither TES or Encore are pop by any fucking means. They're totally his personas, his views, his music. They're rap. People think being popular makes you a popstar, that's not true. Making pop music makes you a pop star.

TES was pure hardcore rap, again, people only think of it and him as pop because of how big he was and how popular the album became. It became popular not because it was pop music but because it was superbly produced and as always, his songs are intensely catchy.

On TES he took on the government, told his mother to burn in hell, attributed part of his success and political turmoil to reaching 'white america' and bragged about his gun-wipping and societal effect. Then on Encore he referred to himself as a Satan-spawn, apologized for an underground racist tape, blasted the President, then metaphorically shot the audience then himself.

A pop star doesn't move in this way, doesn't create these themes. These themes are artistic, visionary, politically-agenda'd, ironic and personal NOT by any means, in any shape POP. Regardless of how famous he got, how catchy and / or formulaic his music became, he NEVER became a popstar.

Finally. I think Encore will be the only true stain on his legacy but even that isn't a big one. Every rapper and artist I can think of has at least one or two flops. Em was flawless up until Encore and even Encore was only lazy and failed in parts, it was by no-means an out-and-out piece of shit as suggested.

He has a pretty good record and has never sold out by doing bullshit for the check. As he said on "Say What You Say" - "I'll sufficate for the respect before I breath to collect the fucking check". Rest assured, his successes tower high above his failures and his name is infinitely cemented in rap history.

People forget very quickly. Just like they forgot how incredible an artist he was after laziness with Encore, they will forget how lazy he got with what will hopefully be an out-and-out classic with R2.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

No one agrees that Em's drug addiction tarnishes his legacy? Not being able to function without sleeping pills and painkillers is not a good public image. Remember, drugs helped cause Encore, so if you said Encore then you have to agree to a point.

[EminemBase]

No one agrees that Em's drug addiction tarnishes his legacy? Not being able to function without sleeping pills and painkillers is not a good public image. Remember, drugs helped cause Encore, so if you said Encore then you have to agree to a point.

No not at all.

Nothing he does in his personal life outside of horrific real-life horror such as rape, child-molestation or murder tarnishes his legacy to me.

If he were to be a raging alcoholic, does that change how amazing "White America" is? Not to me. His music is what it is, regardless. And that's what his legacy is and should be based on. His art.

I haven't been able to function without drugs in life up until this point either, various addictions on and off, from the way I think. Overthinking, ADHD, depression... I think he has all of those too. Life is hard but it's even harder when you're mentally fucked in more than a few ways.

You could also say drugs helped create The Slim Shady LP. They also helped create Pulp Fiction and The Beatles. What matters is the result.

[Evan C.]

You're talking about having consideration for others over the internet yet you have disgusting themes in your screen name, signature, and avatar. If you're that worried about peoples feelings maybe you should take that into consideration.

But anyway, if anyone actually takes offense to words sent to them by anonymous people over a computer screen then they're just as idiotic as EminemInsider described.

My pride won't allow me to accept the notion of hypocrisy, such as you suggest.

I fail to see the correlation between death metal lyrics, which are never meant to be taken seriously and pertain to a genre that supports unity and kids having a good time and having a positive outlet for negative thoughts;
and cyber bullying, which is intentionally hurtful and leads to things like low self esteem, developmental problems and suicide.

Think about what you're saying.

Honestly I don't give a fuck. If you like the song, then post a link to the fucking SONG...why quote pointlessly disgusting death metal lyrics? The lyrics aren't the point in the genre.

And on "cyber-bullying", anyone affected to that degree by a person over another computer deserve to be bullied, because they're worthless idiots.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

A: I can't believe you're still on this
B: That's the point, to gross people out
C: Leave me alone

[EminemInsider]

Underground rap fans stopped fucking with him since Encore cuz he turned to popstar (start from TES actually)
Mainstream stopped fucking with him since Relapse cuz he turned to a serial killer and not being a popstar anymore. And not to mention the weird accent put people off

I don't know if we're talking about Em as an emcee or a star in this thread but if we're talking about Em's career in general, Relapse definitely hurts his career the most. You only have one chance to prove people after 5 years & the let down Encore, but he kinda fucked it up Relapse just didn't live up to the hype and a rather forgettable album.

Em lost either way.

Well, it's official; you're a complete fucking idiot.

How the fuck could it be a disappointing album after you'd heard ENCORE and REUP, dipshit?

Anyone who expected something along the lines of his first 3 albums was a delusional buffoon.

The album was nothing short of SHOCKINGLY GOOD considering the circumstances. He literally nearly died, put out absolutely atrocious music from 2003-2007...and you think RELAPSE hurt his legacy?

"Em lost"...you lost when you ate paint chips as a baby. I'd tell you, "down the road, not across the street"...but you wouldn't even get it. So instead, I'll just suggest that you kill yourself.

Insulting other is such a nice way to start a post

so you're saying you didn't expect the album to be good at all 'considering the circumstances'? sorry but there's not point to talk about his health and stuff , he chooses to put out the album so we have the right to judge, you're saying like he knows it's not good himself when he made it or something, if that's the case he SHOULDN'T have put out the album at all.

Again, the thread is about "Anything put a damper on Eminem's legacy", it's bound to be negative, so if you can't take it maybe you shouldn't enter it from first place. And your post makes you look like a butthurt child really

He didn't hurt his legacy any when anyone with half a brain knew that Encore was utter trash, that everything he'd put out for 5 years was awful, and that he wasn't even the same person anymore...walking around with a puffy, doughy face, glazed zombie eyes, and a horrid, shot voice.

Relapse revealed the reason he'd underwent such a frightening transformation, and it also demonstrated that he'd resurrected himself and was getting close to being back to his old self; that he could still do it. Because no matter what kind of idiocy you spew, Relapse was a good album.

His REAL fans (the ones smart enough to know something was wrong the minute Encore leaked) recognize all of this.

The newbie 14-year-olds on this board who think "serious song=good no matter what, Beautiful is AMAZINGggggg" don't count.

And with the state of the world what it is (utter shit)...it was a beacon of light in the now-horrid mainstream music industry.

And you want to talk about the mainstream appeal?

Well gee...it won the Grammy for Best Rap Album. Encore didn't. It was the 8th highest selling album of the year...and he did this without even really trying for a pop hit ("We Made You" was just his quota for Interscope).

People don't buy albums anymore, anyway.

Nonetheless, even if he did flop commercially, what would it matter at this point? He's already a legend.

If Bob Dylan releases an album tomorrow and it doesn't sell, you think that puts a huge "damper on his legacy?"

[EminemInsider]

That's one of the most unnecessarily disrespectful posts I've ever seen, regardless of what your opinion is. Don't ever do that again, to Alaine or to anyone.

I've got an idea...how about you go fuck yourself and I continue to do whatever I want?

On topic, I honestly think that his notorious reputation as a drug addict hurts his legacy more than anything else. When someone can look at a great record by Eminem OR a terrible record by Eminem and say "that was only the result of drugs", it's detrimental to his character either way.

Well, then I guess the "character" of more than half the music industry is now damaged, including many of the greatest musicians of all-time.

There's nothing wrong with Eminem's character for him to have struggled with a pill addiction. He overcame it, which is ultimately what's important.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

That's one of the most unnecessarily disrespectful posts I've ever seen, regardless of what your opinion is. Don't ever do that again, to Alaine or to anyone.

On topic, I honestly think that his notorious reputation as a drug addict hurts his legacy more than anything else. When someone can look at a great record by Eminem OR a terrible record by Eminem and say "that was only the result of drugs", it's detrimental to his character either way.

I've got an idea...how about you go fuck yourself and I continue to do whatever I want?

I'd recommend you stop right where you are. You do not want to pursue this.

[Alaine]

And you want to talk about the mainstream appeal?

Well gee...it won the Grammy for Best Rap Album. Encore didn't. It was the 8th highest selling album of the year...and he did this without even really trying for a pop hit ("We Made You" was just his quota for Interscope).

People don't buy albums anymore, anyway.

Nonetheless, even if he did flop commercially, what would it matter at this point? He's already a legend.

If Bob Dylan releases an album tomorrow and it doesn't sell, you think that puts a huge "damper on his legacy?"

Encore missed Grammy deadline if I remember correctly

So he made WMY for Interscope, does that change the fact that it was still a failed 'pop' single? hmm no
and if people don't buy albums anymore how come Wayne sold 1 mili first week just one year earlier

I didn't even say it mattered if it flopped, it's not like he cares or he shares the money with me, but it's not the point of the debate.