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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby EminemBase » Mar 6th, '10, 15:11

llockhart86 wrote:For the record, encore did not suck because albums before it were amazing.

It sucked because it sucked.

If that would have been his first album, he wouldnt have been thought to be anything special


I disagree.

If that was his debut, it would be hailed as a great album.

Absolutely. I don't know how you can say his past albums have no influence on your opinion of it, of course they do. You've got expectation, anticipation, you can't help but compare it even subconsciously.

It's jut like Inglourious Basterds with Tarrantino. I think it's superb. But I find it hard to place it above his first two films. But if that film came out first, it's probably be reversed. Because that was the first imprint of that artist, it leaves a nostalgic print in your senses.

If that was his debut, everything about it would sound fresh. It wouldn't be like "oh another mom song" because it would be new. You would have a totally different perspective. I don't think the album as a whole 'sucked' anyway. Regardless. "Evil Deeds", "Never Enough", "Yellow Brick Road", "Mosh", "Puke", "Rain Man" and "Crazy In love" are all great tracks iMO.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby LLockhart86 » Mar 6th, '10, 15:16

nah man. when encore came out , my eminem buzz died down extremely. i had gotten into punk and rock and shit like that, had an older girlfriend...i really didnt even know the cd was coming out till i was workin at target one day and saw them all in the back, like 3 days before it was supposed to be on the shelf.

I coulda taken one right then but said fuck it.

downloaded it, listened to it (maybe) 3 times and took like toy soldiers, mockingbird, and crazy in love off and through the rest away.

That whole cd sucked. cept for those 3 songs. and those 3 songs, imo, would not have lifted him to the status he was at right before mmlp came out...
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby EminemBase » Mar 6th, '10, 15:23

Except for those three :o

"Like Toy Soldiers" and "Mockingbird" are two of the most boring songs he's ever made. LTS is a pain to get through, it's just so fucking serious and BLAAHHHHHHH. Plods through.

I think the best of the album are easily "Evil Deeds", "Mosh", "Puke", "Crazy In love" and "Encore". Then you had some filler and some okay tracks. Only tracks which seriously were bad IMO were "Ass Like That", "One Shot 2 Shot" and "Just Lose It".

But compared to most, most of the album worked. Usually I find a handful of good songs even on many so called classics.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby Knight-ofthe-Pen » Mar 6th, '10, 15:51

@ llockhart86: nevertheless you've heard his songs or not when Encore was out, you have known his music before. that is the point to make your expectations then. If you once know an artists output, you will always have expectations for his new material - and it doesn't matter if you have enjoyed it right at that moment or never glanced at it for ten years then. The expectations remain.

@ topic: I don't know, if you really can say he had planned that right from the beginning. It might was part of the (creating) process: he was bored, might knew he couldn't / didn't feel the urge to top TES, was on those pills and thought of how to end this way etc.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby LLockhart86 » Mar 6th, '10, 16:26

I disagree.

Lil waynes Carter 2 and a couple of those mixtapes, including the mixtape that the carter 3 was originally supposed to be were fucking amazing. C2, got more play in my cd player then relapse did. However, C3 was no where near as good as his previous work. HOWEVER, I still listen to that cd. The cd is still good. The songs on there were classics, just not AS amazing as his previous work.

Now eminem, I cant even listen to those songs of encore. They're not good songs at all. Im not like, these songs arent AS good as the other ones so fuck it, no, im like, these songs fucking suck.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby Knight-ofthe-Pen » Mar 6th, '10, 16:40

*shrug* I like Encore except four songs or like that and I don't think it so overall bad and awful and what
Encore has great songs, good songs, nah-ok songs and bad songs - like it always is
I never really get, what people always have to bitch and complain about it
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby LLockhart86 » Mar 6th, '10, 17:29

Im not complaining. Im criticizing it. It just wasnt good. Id rather watch shitty youtube videos

To each their own though
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby MikeNUFC » Mar 6th, '10, 19:35

The topic definitely makes sense but I don't think Em made it to be like that. I just think he was a bit fucked up at the time, and rushed the songs to replace the leaked ones - a huge mistake as the standard of the newer ones were shockingly bad.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby LLockhart86 » Mar 6th, '10, 19:41

I think the same thing happened with C3
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby X'ed Up » Mar 6th, '10, 20:58

Encore would have been a success if it weren't for Ass Like That, My 1st Single, Just Lose It and Big Weenie. :smoking:
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby Fa-Q » Mar 6th, '10, 21:02

llockhart86 wrote:I think the same thing happened with C3

I Know....i hate wayne and i though "the leak" was pretty good..."I feel like dying" and "Im Me"...
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby classthe_king » Mar 6th, '10, 23:11

Encore was awful, admit it





C3> Encore
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby X'ed Up » Mar 6th, '10, 23:14

classthe_king wrote:Encore was awful, admit it





C3> Encore

:shakehead:

Yellow Brick Road, LTS and Encore alone are better than C3.... :whistle:

what are you on? :coffee:
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby EminemInsider » Mar 6th, '10, 23:50

EminemBase wrote:
No he FLOWS the verses on "Crazy In Love". "You are the ink to my paper, what my pen is to my pad, the moral the very fibre, the whole substance to my rap". Try listening again, that's a melodic flow, he's not singing.



I've already listened to it. It's singing, no matter what you say. There's no "breathtaking flow" on that song. In saying so, you only establish that you don't have the faintest idea what "flow" even is.

And if you DID define that as flow, well...it's awful. He stops mid-word all over the place...and sometimes jams two words together quickly...because his bars don't fit the beat correctly.

And what a totally ridiculous comparison. It's breath-taking because of the smoothness and accuracy, also why it's not singing and nothing at all like Beyonce wtf are you on about.


Smoothness and accuracy?

What smoothness?

Accuracy? Huh? What accuracy? Did he complete 65+% of his lyrical passes in the NFL or something?

I take back what I said about you "writing intelligibly." You capitalize, punctuate, and generally spell correctly, but your verbiage is terrible.

No that's not better. That's undeniably worse you cretin.


Cretin?

I'm disappointed in you. The LEAST you could do is call me a "cretinous invalid" like you did via PM to Evan C.


"I find your inconceivable stupidity combined with a demeanor of pretend intelligence amusing"

Oh really. I think maybe 'pretentious intelligence' was the phrase you needed there. If you're going to try highlight my supposed pretentious nature as well as my supposed lack of true intelligence, at least write intelligently yourself. Else it only serves to highlight your total and utter dim-witted nature.


I'm not trying to highlight your "pretentious nature." Where did you get that notion?

You're only attempting to put up a pretentious front as a defense mechanism, anyway...only it's not very convincing.

What I WAS trying to highlight is the simple fact that you pretend to be intelligent through long-winded writing and odd (often flat-out incorrect) word choice. You're the message board's equivalent to Canibus.

In the words of the late George Carlin, "SPOOOOOOKY LANNNNNGUAGE."



You sound like a child who's picked up a few words here and there from the dictionary and is trying to write like an adult. Also, try to have some logic in your insults, even if they're intentionally oddball and 'out there'. I mean... Being exposed to toxic chemicals as a child... No real reasoning or justification follow-up or backing of wit. Just a vague connection to pollution and brain distortion / assumption on intelligence. Pretty crap to be honest.


You're out-smarting yourself here. It's really not that difficult to understand.

You see, you're a rather enigmatic person. On one hand, you are able to give people the impression you're articulate. On the other, you're full of shit to the point where you'd have to be flat-out stupid to actually have such idiotic beliefs.

It's difficult to figure out how a whackjob like you emerges.

Not that I haven't encountered similar people on other internet forums...I tell them all the same thing I'm telling you.


Ergh, first of all - If you're going to make such bold statements, make sure you have the evidence to back it up. This post is a discussion on Encore and a theory as to why it came underneath The Eminem Show artistically.

At no point did I say I 'LOVED' the 'pill zombie version of Eminem' as you so lamely put it. What a pathetic, childish and empty attempt to jump from discussion to rock-solid conclusion of an opinion not even posed here.

My favourite Eminem era is actually... 2002 probably. So try AT LEAST knowing the opinions of a debate opponent before trying to attack them you dick head.


No, you just talk about the "sickness" of songs like "My First Single"...rave about "Mockingbird"...talk about how he was "maturing"...say there were only "two bad songs on Encore"...yet it's somehow a total leap of faith to say that you loved the album.


Again, you've made all this up in your own head. Could you just go back and get the quotes where I said I love "Mockingbird" and "Beautiful"? Sorry? You can't? Oh that's right because I NEVER you fucking idiot.


1. I said you LIKE Mockingbird. Now who's putting words in someone's mouth?

2. In actuality, you LOVE all of those tracks. Evan C showed me the PM conversation he had with you where you hailed it as an "amazing" song. I don't know who you're trying to fool here, but you're not fooling me.

So what now, are you going to DENY that you are a fan of Mockingbird and Beautiful? Or are you going to admit that you like both tracks despite your hypocritical assertion that I used a cliche insult?


That's how shit at debating you are that you simply make up opinions as mine and state them as fact as if I stated them. Really bad, childish tactics. Well, in your case not tactics so much as... Lack of intelligence. It's born out of ignorance with you. Just making bull-headed assumptions in your little bigot baby cot, spewing puke all over your bib.


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This is what I mean by "toxic chemicals"...



Again... "When I'm Gone"... You just introduced this yourself. Lmao. You idiot.

Also, try and learn how to emphasize true irony when it occurs better. Irony is such a beautiful thing and it's a shame when retards such as yourself try to highlight a half-witted assumption of... A vague string of irony like it's the most essential example of irony in history.


The "most essential example of irony in history." OOOoooo KKKkkkkk.



I mean... You metaphorically shouted "IRONY" from the roof-tops to open that segment when in fact what you were claiming was so ironic was the fact I insulted you for being cliche' when the 'pill zombie' Eminem is the ultimate walking cliche' and because I like that version of him, that's the be all and end all of ironical hypocrisy. Sure...


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I didn't "metaphorically shout irony." Let's get a couple things straight:

1. You don't know what "metaphorically" means.
2. I never said anything about it being the "be-all-end-all" of ironical hypocrisy.

OOOOOOooops.


Seriously, not only did I NOT state I loved this Eminem but it's subjective to say that version of Eminem is cliche' for one, that's not fact either so lets look at what you got...
- Me 'loving' that Eminem: You made this up, I never said that.
- That Eminem being the ultimate walking cliche': A varying subjective standard, not by any means provable.



It's also subjective to say that "Stan" is cliche, isn't it?

It's also subjective to say something is subjective, isn't it?




So those are the two main objectives of your huge ironical bolderization,


When in doubt, just make up words.

If the word you meant was "bowdlerization," you used it wrong in hilarious fashion. Just give it up.


neither of which are fact, provable or witty... So as we can see folks - A very very lame example of irony by this turd indeed.


So as we can see folks...this is what happens when the mother does acid, speed, liquor, and smokes during the pregnancy.


It's worse still because trying to say liking something that IS cliche' is WORSE than being cliche' YOURSELF is totally self-defeating and moronic.And yet he screeched it so loudly from his plaque-infested cake hole.

Brush your teeth, close your mouth, shut the fuck up and get lost. You complete and utter FOOL.


So wait...because I allegedly wrote a "cliche insult," that now means I AM a cliche?

Give up the gimmick, it's not working. Learn that there's nothing wrong with using smaller words you actually know the meaning of to try to get your point across.
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Re: Em had to tone-down Encore...

Postby LLockhart86 » Mar 6th, '10, 23:54

^^This is the longest post ive ever seen here.
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