Ca$his & Rikanatti Workin' on TAOD and Relapse 2!

[Robbie G]

Cashis isn't good enough to rap on R2 and Rikanti isn't good to produce on R2.

No hate, just my opinion.

[EminemBase]

you said it pretty bluntly when you said he is awful and also said he is terrible. I'm not particularly a fan of Cashis, but he is not that bad.

You're missing the point. My point wasn't that nobody had been rude about Ca$his in their opinion but that nobody had just stupidly said something in the realm of "FUCK CA$HIS" with no reasoning. Big difference between blind hate and digressive hate.

Remember that what you say is just opinion.

Yeah I'm well aware of that and let me remind you that the supporting comments of Ca$his are just opinion too. But please don't say just as if that devalues it or makes opinion less good to go.

I've just as much right to shout my opinion from the rooftops as you and anybody else does theirs and I like to indulge in that right. So what if it's subjective, you may as well not bother having an opinion at all if you wanna go about it by pussyfooting around every corner and outputing your personal taste apologetically lmao. You don't have to keep stating it's opinion, we know.

And saying that he is a terrible lyricist clearly shows you do not listen to him, or have not listened to him enough. I disagree that you can tell immediately if a rapper has skill or not as well. I think he can develop into a good rapper (he needs to improve on his delivery in my opinion). What did you listen to by him? Did you like anything at all?

That is a totally ridiculous thing to say. So you think just because I think he's a shit lyricist I COULDN'T of listened to him enough? Let me repeat this as much as I already have like a fucking parrot...

I HAVE LISTENED TO ALMOST EVERYTHING CA$HIS HAS PUT OUT. I PURPOSELY WENT AND CHECKED EVERYTHING OUT I COULD BY HIM BECAUSE EM KEEPS WAXING ECSTATIC OVER THE CUNT.

And repeating myself again - I've already said I'm not saying he couldn't possibly improve. Try reading my posts before responding to them. But as of NOW, he's a pile of shit and yes you can absolutely form an opinion almost immediately.

I don't require a limit. Like "Oh I haven't passed the 3 album mark yet, I'm going to have to remain neutral". Just like I could tell Eminem was a genius from the first few tracks I can tell Ca$his is a pile of steaming dung.

His lyricism is awful, his flow is sloppy and off-point. Nothing about him hits home to me.

I listened to all his Re-Up stuff and The County Hound EP. That has eight tracks on it by him. So that's nearly a whole album right there FFS. I think you can at least have a fucking opinion on somebody off eight tracks. You don't have to listen to 50 double albums before you quit the false humility and go "Oh okay, I think I'm ready to make up my mind now".

He's awful. Just like I don't need to see 50 in 100 movies. Sure, he could improve. But I could tell right from his debut movie he couldn't act. And he still can't.

I do agree that putting him on R2 would be a bad idea because of such different styles between him and Em, but who knows, they may make a real good track. I think of it like this... On the day that the tracklist is released we see a Cashis feature, I will be super excited! Because for him to get on the album the song would have to be great.

It has nothing to do with their different styles. Em can get on a track with anybody and change his style to suit them. Just like he did with Ca$his on "Pistol Poppin'" and Game on "We Ain't" and many others.

That's not the issue. It's because Ca$his is a pile of body waste in terms of rap skill. He doesn't deserve a spot on a potential classic the same as 50 fucking Cent doesn't. WTF are they doing on such calibre material, it's madness.

Em should be spitting with Red, Mos, Nas. Not these clowns.

[slimsoxshady]

somewhat OT but I like how EmBase adds the $ to Cashis

[KaRtLiDgE]

I wasn't really trying to get at you by the way. And I feel it is the right thing to do to say that its just opinion because of the things you just said. I know it goes without saying 99% of the time, but again you are just saying it like its a fact that he is horrible. Look at your post. I don't like Cashis very much either, and he is no "lyricist" in any way. But you are saying he is absolute trash, when the truth is, he is better than a lot of crap today. Again I do not like him. His music doesn't suit me (because of the sound, not the rhymes or subject matter). I'm just objectively stating my opinion on his level of skill. I do believe, however, that if he improves his flow/delivery and has some good beats behind him, he could be very good. He has some writing ability, and his subject matter is good. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

I still disagree that you can determine a rapper's skill immediately though. We will just have to agree to disagree about that one.

And it does have some to do with different styles pertaining to Cashis on R2. I wouldn't call "Pistol Poppin" or "We Ain't" changin it up. I would call "Smack That" "Shake That Ass" and "Touchdown" as Em changing it up. Though Cashis' style is not like any of those songs, It is still different from what Em has done.

[macdaddy019967]

you motherfuckers write way too fucking much
people are not going to read that whole shit (i did)

[KaRtLiDgE]

you motherfuckers write way too fucking much
people are not going to read that whole shit (i did)

lol. Me and EminemBase are kind of just talking to each other. This is an A and B conversation so C yourself out of it before D and E come and F you up.

[macdaddy019967]

you motherfuckers write way too fucking much
people are not going to read that whole shit (i did)

lol. Me and EminemBase are kind of just talking to each other. This is an A and B conversation so C yourself out of it before D and E come and F you up.

that was probably the gayest response ever

[EminemBase]

I wasn't really trying to get at you by the way. And I feel it is the right thing to do to say that its just opinion because of the things you just said. I know it goes without saying 99% of the time, but again you are just saying it like its a fact that he is horrible. Look at your post. I don't like Cashis very much either, and he is no "lyricist" in any way. But you are saying he is absolute trash, when the truth is, he is better than a lot of crap today. Again I do not like him. His music doesn't suit me (because of the sound, not the rhymes or subject matter). I'm just objectively stating my opinion on his level of skill. I do believe, however, that if he improves his flow/delivery and has some good beats behind him, he could be very good. He has some writing ability, and his subject matter is good. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

I still disagree that you can determine a rapper's skill immediately though. We will just have to agree to disagree about that one.

And it does have some to do with different styles pertaining to Cashis on R2. I wouldn't call "Pistol Poppin" or "We Ain't" changin it up. I would call "Smack That" "Shake That Ass" and "Touchdown" as Em changing it up. Though Cashis' style is not like any of those songs, It is still different from what Em has done.

Yeah because I have a right to say it as fact. It's as fact to me because it's MY opinion.That's not the same as saying it's an observable world fact.

There's no point even having... I mean, what, do you expect me to go "Oh, I think he's awful BUT LET ME STRESS AGAIN EVERYBODY, THAT'S JUST 'ME' YOU KNOW SO...". You don't have to apologize for strong opinion.

I THINK he is a piece of shit yes. And I have a right to express that as strongly as I want. It's my view and I can say it anyway I like just as you can yours.

And it's not immediate formation of opinion. He was on a ton of tracks on Re-Up and he's put out a fucking EP - 8 Solo tracks. I'd hardly say that's immediate. That's pretty much an album's worth right there.

But yeah I think you can make immediate judgement anyway. When I heard "The Way I Am" I didn't think "Hmm... I sort of... Hmm, well, maybe this guy is okay but I can't quite tell... Oh god, I'm gonna have to let him settle into my system for a few years first". I thought "WOW THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME, THIS GUY IS A GENIUS".

Just like I heard Ca$his and thought "WOW THAT'S TERRIBLE, THIS GUY IS SHIT". I'm not saying my opinion can never ever be changed on him but that's the immediate feeling he brought out and fuck all this cheesy false humility in pretending to remain neutral all the time. Everybody has these immediate feeling and you don't have to remain fucking shy about them man. It's ridiculous.

PS. I'm not getting at you either. People often confuse my... 'Passion' so to speak in my posts about whatever I'm talking about as anger aimed towards them. I may appear to be ranting and raving and emphasizing and swearing. But make sure you relate everything because unless I specifically call you something, I'm just talking about the topic at hand. All my anger is coming out of my hate for Ca$his lmao.

[KaRtLiDgE]

I understand what your saying Embase. But to your "The Way I Am" example, if "Just Loose It" or "Big Weenie" was the first Em song you heard it would be the polar opposite. If Encore was the first album you heard, you would not think he is a genius either. Just good. (I Liked Encore, some would say he was horrible if they based their opinion of just that album)

Raw Talent Mixtape Vol.2, The Leak Vol.2 - get Ready, and DEA Handbook had some good tracks on them as well as Country Hound EP. Again nothing special or even close to it, but I still think that in the right situation and some improvement, Cashis could put out some nice shit. And I think that delivery is one of the easier things for a rapper to improve on. I wish we could of had the chance to hear him on some Dre beats in the next year or two, and it seems unlikely now.

I gotta go its been good talking to you.

you motherfuckers write way too fucking much
people are not going to read that whole shit (i did)

lol. Me and EminemBase are kind of just talking to each other. This is an A and B conversation so C yourself out of it before D and E come and F you up.

that was probably the gayest response ever

suck my dick faggot. Using the word "gayest" what are you twelve? Macdaddy, you're probably a virgin. Go fuck yaself.

[EminemBase]

I understand what your saying Embase. But to your "The Way I Am" example, if "Just Loose It" or "Big Weenie" was the first Em song you heard it would be the polar opposite. If Encore was the first album you heard, you would not think he is a genius either. Just good. (I Liked Encore, some would say he was horrible if they based their opinion of just that album)

No I wouldn't at all that's the thing.

Because regardless of Em's subject matter I can hear the skill anyway.

If the first song I ever heard from Em was "Big Weenie" I would be able to tell immediately this guy can rap his fucking ass off and go seek out something more serious from him.

You can tell immediately that his voice is on-point, his delivery... He's a man who's mastered his art no matter how ridiculous or silly he's being.

Where as Ca$his is just loose, off point, he sounds amateur. I've heard better on YouTube.

[KaRtLiDgE]

I understand what your saying Embase. But to your "The Way I Am" example, if "Just Loose It" or "Big Weenie" was the first Em song you heard it would be the polar opposite. If Encore was the first album you heard, you would not think he is a genius either. Just good. (I Liked Encore, some would say he was horrible if they based their opinion of just that album)

If the first song I ever heard from Em was "Big Weenie" I would be able to tell immediately this guy can rap his fucking ass off and go seek out something more serious from him.

Come on now you're just kidding yourself. It is alright to say that he has put out material that is not very good. Its not like Eminem is going to read your post and hate you or anything. After that sentence and your topic about Em fucking up his knee (before someone messed with your post) Im starting to think you are a stan in denial. Do you even listen to other rap besides Em? He's my favorite too and I think he is the best ever, but come on man, "Big Weenie"????? You could take that he could rap his ass off from that? What world are you living in man? It's your opinion, but you are DEFINITELY in the minority. A very small one. Let me get your drug dealer's number immediately!

I hate this shit, and don't even think I've ever used a smiley ever, but this one is deserved after that sentence I quoted. I was going to go out, but you ruined my night. I'm going to try and sleep.

[EminemBase]

Come on now you're just kidding yourself. It is alright to say that he has put out material that is not very good. Its not like Eminem is going to read your post and hate you or anything.

No you're not getting my point man. I'm not saying "Big Weenie" is amazing or even fucking good, that's not the point I made.

Point was, regardless of how bad an Eminem song is you can still hear the talent, maybe you're just not into hip-hop as much as me. But I can listen to the worst songs by Em, Nas, Mos Def and still tell that they're supreme talents. It doesn't matter, you can hear their on-point flow.

You can hear the sweat that's gone into their craft regardless.

After that sentence and your topic about Em fucking up his knee (before someone messed with your post) Im starting to think you are a stan in denial. Do you even listen to other rap besides Em? He's my favorite too and I think he is the best ever, but come on man, "Big Weenie"????? You could take that he could rap his ass off from that? What world are you living in man? It's your opinion, but you are DEFINITELY in the minority. A very small one. Let me get your drug dealer's number immediately!

Try understanding the fucking point before shooting off your mouth you moron.

And that knee post was edited by some stupid mod fuck taking the piss. Again, get your ass into gear, learn the situation before being cocky else you'll come up short... Like now.

And stop with that fucking STAN SHIT. Get just an OUNCE of originality man. Lame as FUCK cop-out. LAME LAME LAME. Get some personality, think for you fucking self. So ironic to be calling people stans when you're acting like a sheep that's all you fall back on it's sickening.

Yes I love all cunting hip-hop, just a handful of people I listen to that aren't Eminem:
B.o.B
Charles Hamilton
Kanye West
Kid Kudi
Mos Def
Nas
Obie Trice
OutKast
Redman
Royce Da 5'9"

And many more. So don't fucking insult me with stupid reptitive shit man. If you wanna debate on a level with me then fine but start getting childish and I give it double back to you.

[watevermannnn]

They probably are doing a track for Relapse 2, but it probably just won't see the light of day. I think whenever Em collabs, they agree to do 1 on his album and 1 on the other artists album. Only difference is that Em never puts them on the final track listing, so it stays in the shady vault.

And Cashis does suck pretty bad. He has no star quality about him, no uniqueness. He's just a goon that's ready to ride for Em. That's how I see it.

[X'ed Up]

STFU! Kartlidge you fucking faggot!!!!!
Your embarassing yourself

[KaRtLiDgE]

I can't stand the ignorance here. Never say anything bad about Eminem like he is a GOD. Its like when my friends tell me Lil Wayne is better then Nas and when I ask them to name 5 Nas songs they say "I don't know, I don't listen to Nas." And Embase, the only reason you said you can see skill in Just Loose It and Big Weenie is to prove your point.

#1 Do you have any idea how many artists are on point when it comes to flow? Dozens that are both famous and not famous.

#2 Big Weenie is a simple elementary flow.

#3 He is not on point on his flow on Beg Weenie. He goes off flow a few times.

You said you could tell from the flow that he has skill? Well then (sinne we were talking about Cashis) Cashis has songs when his flow is perfect. Why does he translate to you as trash? A lot of his songs are better lyrically as well compared to Big Weenie. And obviously better subject matter than Big Weenie. So if you can listen to Big Weenie and immediately see Eminem's skill, why can't you listen to rap songs by lesser artists but better songs than Big Weenie and say they are trash.

And don't question how much I am into rap, I'm listening to music all day. I'm a producer.