Eminem guilty on 50's failure album

[mbmfan]

This thread = when things get taken out of context part 55645

Yup. That's why I asked if 50 said blame Em? Or was that implied?

[xRas]

It only failed in sales.. It was a good solid album.

[Dohc-Nyne]

I seriously have no idea why people think BISD sucks lol...it baffles me...

[clustr]

I seriously have no idea why people think BISD sucks lol...it baffles me...

yeah same here... i thought BISD was a great album too

[Emadyville]

No Eminem shouldn't be guilty for it. I don't get this post, you sound foreign. Are you saying Eminem SHOULD feel guilty for it? I'm pretty sure 50 never said that Em should. I don't think he'd be that stupid.

50 Cent and no artist should hang their destiny on somebody else's opinion no matter who they are. The moment they stop making their art for themselves and can't rely on their own judgement, they should quit.

That's basically what I said in my post

[EminemBase]

No Eminem shouldn't be guilty for it. I don't get this post, you sound foreign. Are you saying Eminem SHOULD feel guilty for it? I'm pretty sure 50 never said that Em should. I don't think he'd be that stupid.

50 Cent and no artist should hang their destiny on somebody else's opinion no matter who they are. The moment they stop making their art for themselves and can't rely on their own judgement, they should quit.

That's basically what I said in my post

Thanks for the observation. I didn't read your post though. I rarely read any posts before I reply and it's not really what you said. But thanks for playing.

[EminemBase]

I seriously have no idea why people think BISD sucks lol...it baffles me...

It baffles you? Really? WOW. Well I can tell you:
- 50 Hasn't evolved at all. Aside from poorly imitating Em's psycho-style in spots (as well as trying to bite his 3am sing-song flow) he's still the same boring, cliche', witless gangsta rapper he was in 2003. Except he's worse lyrically.

He's an awful lyricist, he's confused about his own image, his flow is embarrassing, his concepts are lame. He's one of the least creative rappers in history, he's repetitive, he has nothing worth saying, he's actually a detriment on the quality of rap now, he contributes nothing progressive, his music sounds dull... I mean, I could go on for quite a while.

[Banks]

i was watching mtv and they showed a 2010 special with 50 cent talking about his beef's,career,eminem,etc

and he said

eminem listen to my entire album before i release it....cuz if it is something bad..he tells me and i don't release it til it gets perfect...

so eminem is guilty for let 50 release that shit called before i self destruct hahaa

that was funny, does eminem like 100% of BISD?

[xRas]

I seriously have no idea why people think BISD sucks lol...it baffles me...

It baffles you? Really? WOW. Well I can tell you:
- 50 Hasn't evolved at all. Aside from poorly imitating Em's psycho-style in spots (as well as trying to bite his 3am sing-song flow) he's still the same boring, cliche', witless gangsta rapper he was in 2003. Except he's worse lyrically.

He's an awful lyricist, he's confused about his own image, his flow is embarrassing, his concepts are lame. He's one of the least creative rappers in history, he's repetitive, he has nothing worth saying, he's actually a detriment on the quality of rap now, he contributes nothing progressive, his music sounds dull... I mean, I could go on for quite a while.

Yeah you don't like 50 cent ..BISD was a good album.

[EminemBase]

I seriously have no idea why people think BISD sucks lol...it baffles me...

It baffles you? Really? WOW. Well I can tell you:
- 50 Hasn't evolved at all. Aside from poorly imitating Em's psycho-style in spots (as well as trying to bite his 3am sing-song flow) he's still the same boring, cliche', witless gangsta rapper he was in 2003. Except he's worse lyrically.

He's an awful lyricist, he's confused about his own image, his flow is embarrassing, his concepts are lame. He's one of the least creative rappers in history, he's repetitive, he has nothing worth saying, he's actually a detriment on the quality of rap now, he contributes nothing progressive, his music sounds dull... I mean, I could go on for quite a while.

Yeah you don't like 50 cent ..BISD was a good album.

Yeah I don't like 50 but I still like some of his music. I don't go into anything with personal bias so don't try using that as an excuse thanks.

BISD has a handful of good tracks. But it's mostly a mixed up, confused lump of cliche' trash.

[Shadysapathy]

50 just hasn´t any nuts to confess that it´s only his fault.
I mean blame other people is far easier.

[Alaine]

^ you know that 50 has a hand in ruining the lyrical rap game right? because he always stress how important sale & number is that we got whole block of rapper rapping for money & only care about number. I don't hate him but I'm glad his album flopped, serves him right.

[EminemBase]

Well first off the album had great reviews and in general was critically well recieved, and the sales were bad against 50's and Em's sales but against the whole industry it was good too. Only Jay and EM have slod more than this album from all rappers for the last year plus it keeps moving units, it's almost golden in the US alone and not away from a platinum plaque worldwide. I got it and it's banging all over plus the collabo with Em is def one their best.
50 fired up Europe with it touring for a month now.

That's not true at all. Have you even read the reviews. The critical consesus was totally mixed. But a lot different to how Relapse was. Relapse was pretty much split between critics thinking it was either wonderful or terrible. But nobody was arguing over his sharpness or flow or how energized he was. They were all just totally divided over his graphical violence, totally bizarre. They don't place that much bias just on subject-matter with any other rapper. Artist even.

Where as with 50. It was pretty much poor to good reviews throughout but the split was much different. The critics who disliked it weren't split on trivial things. They found his lyricism and flow lazy, they found the whole image mixed, redundant and done.

It was not critically or commercially well-received. And no it wasn't only bad in sales vs. his previous albums. It was bad period. It sold like 140k 1st week, less even - Interscope requested they add the iTunes sales on. To make it less embarrassing. He says NOTHING new or worth noting on the entire album. It's the same shit we've heard from him for the past 6 years but done in an even less interesting way. Ocassionally imitating / biting Em or re-hashing an old foe. Great.

He's a really painfully bad lyricist. It was better than Curtis but by no means a good album. And no his sales were low period as I said. There were many more other than Em and Jay in the record industry who sold bigger numbers. But it's even more significant to go from like 900k or whatever Curtis did to that. It shows the gigantic drop in interest.

I mean the fact 50 spent so long on THAT and... So much bragging about THAT. It really shows he's lost it big time. I mean he never had much to begin with but, he should really quit now.

[Shady'baby.]

Bisd is awesome.

[EminemBase]

I don't think it was a bad album. It wasn't great in any way but it was good. 50 was doing what the fans wanted him to do, 'make harder music'. It was a street album and that's also the reason it didn't sell. The people that that record aimed to please don't actually buy records, they bootleg them and that's what they did. Plus, BISD didn't have any real commercial records. I think 50 just made a mistake. He should have kept doing what he was doing and tried to better himself as a rapper, period. BISD sounds a few steps above a Game album. He had about a dozen good songs on it but at times it just fell short with watered down, hurry up and finish this song, filler verses. It's still something to bump though.

That's what I thought too, but it's nowhere near a failure.

Had no COMMERCIAL records? Are you fucking serious.

How about...
Baby By Me (feat. Ne-Yo)
Do You Think About Me
Could've Been You (feat. R-Kelly)

They were just the three what you could call... 'definite' commercial track as singles. Both painfully awful. But then you had a bunch of cliche' filler shit. BISD had a handful of good tracks but was nowhere near a good or great album.

People just let him 'get away' with it because they're used to low-standards. Notice if Em even has 1 or 2 bad tracks now people trash the entire album. BISD was as mixed to 50 as Encore was to Em. Difference is the quality material on Encore was at least very well done and original.

Where as 50... I mean, no evolution as lyricist at all. In fact steps backwards. And that ridiculous bitten 3am sing-song flow. Terrible. He doesn't evolve, he doesn't even go in circles, he just repeats himself. He didn't even fully write everything lyrically on the album. Co-wrote it. So no doubt the best bits or anything half-witty were from other people.