Eminem guilty on 50's failure album

[EminemBase]

^^^
Suck a dick. Open your mouth like this

None of those songs were commercial.

Right. Sure. "Have a baby by me baby, be a millionaire" - Not commercial. R-Kelly and Ne-Yo, not commercial? Ridiculous.

[Raids-God]

I take grams of coke, mix it with lactose, thats what i do, Streeetcchh
I make a ounce of dope, with like a eighth of dope, before i'm through, Product Streeetcchh
I got it mastered mannn, in the hood i'm like plastic mannn, Streeetcchh
Fantastic mannn, i make the money come faster mannn.. Yeah

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Well that says it all about this album

[EminemBase]

I take grams of coke, mix it with lactose, thats what i do, Streeetcchh
I make a ounce of dope, with like a eighth of dope, before i'm through, Product Streeetcchh
I got it mastered mannn, in the hood i'm like plastic mannn, Streeetcchh
Fantastic mannn, i make the money come faster mannn.. Yeah

......
Well that says it all about this album

Yeah same thing that's been said for the previous 3 albums before that.

He's rich, richer than us. He's a gangsta, he'll pop you, he delt coke, WE GET IT. Big fucking deal. I've got friends who deal coke, I don't know anybody who doesn't know somebody who deals it. I've delt drugs, these gangsta rappers act like it's some big special announcement lmao.

That's all he's got to say. He doesn't create music, he just repeats himself. Every single track.

[EminemBase]

Yeah same thing that's been said for the previous 3 albums before that.
He's rich, richer than us. He's a gangsta, he'll pop you, he delt coke, WE GET IT. Big fucking deal. I've got friends who deal coke, I don't know anybody who doesn't know somebody who deals it. I've delt drugs, these gangsta rappers act like it's some big special announcement lmao.
That's all he's got to say. He doesn't create music, he just repeats himself. Every single track.

Well like I said I use facts when I comment so I will def agree with you for 50 not evolving lyrically and not challenging himself lyrically. No doubt, he's not lyricist but he's still hip hop. He's too much focused on hits making and most of it money making, and honestly talking about hits and money he's achieved more than 95% of the rap artists.The point here was that the album wasn't even near failure comercially or critically. Honestly without being biased I enjoyed BISD a lot, of course not for lyrics or rhyme schemes. I give u that though, you know hip hop.

Yeah and I'm going on facts too. 140k in a week IS a big commercial failure for an artist of his stature. It shows a gigantic loss of interest.

Kanye sold 450,145 of 808s & Heartbreak in 2008. That was a year ago. And don't act like it wasn't as bad in the record business then. That's the same # album 50 was on with BISD and it could be argued it was worse in November 2008.

There's no excuse. The album flopped commercially because it's a pile of shit. And yes it wasn't a total failure critically but neither was a success so stop trying to sugarcoat it. I'll settle on it being a mixed critical reception. It was TOTALLY mixed but by no means a success.

He contributed nothing worth commenting on to hip-hop with the album. Not even anything worth noting in his own career. He may as well not of even bothered. He's a total brick of an artist. He has nothing to contribute anymore. His career was built on drama, image and backing by Em / Dre. The more we see those things simmer down, the more we see him fail. And he's such a lame fuck trying to stir up little beefs everywhere. Re-hashing Rick Ross comments, insulting Jay-Z at random points. The guy is a fucking clown.

[EminemBase]

Yeah and I'm going on facts too. 140k in a week IS a big commercial failure for an artist of his stature. It shows a gigantic loss of interest.
Kanye sold 450,145 of 808s & Heartbreak in 2008. That was a year ago. And don't act like it wasn't as bad in the record business then. That's the same # album 50 was on with BISD and it could be argued it was worse in November 2008.
There's no excuse. The album flopped commercially because it's a pile of shit. And yes it wasn't a total failure critically but neither was a success so stop trying to sugarcoat it. I'll settle on it being a mixed critical reception. It was TOTALLY mixed but by no means a success.
He contributed nothing worth commenting on to hip-hop with the album. Not even anything worth noting in his own career. He may as well not of even bothered. He's a total brick of an artist. He has nothing to contribute anymore. His career was built on drama, image and backing by Em / Dre. The more we see those things simmer down, the more we see him fail. And he's such a lame fuck trying to stir up little beefs everywhere. Re-hashing Rick Ross comments, insulting Jay-Z at random points. The guy is a fucking clown.

Now you're being biased and look funny. Most of it for saying early 2008 was a year ago. LOL it wasn't 140k it was 158 and like I said only 3 albums have sold more than his alubm since late 3rd quarter 2008. With by all means in mathmatics is 2 years ago. If you say his album is a failure then Rick Ross, Wayne's last, Luda's are all failure too, let alone Rae's Busta's Red & Meth's Snoop's or whoever else who didn't reach 80k.

No that's nonsense. November 2008 was a little over a year ago. It's March 2010 not November 2010. It's closer to 1 year than 2. Either way, the record industry was still in a major slump in 2008 too, not much has changed in that amount of fucking time.

Similarly, Kanye West is now the stature of 50 and was on his 3rd album too and he sold 450k 1st week. There has been a number of acts that have sold well over 140k. Oh, by the way, learn your facts - It wasn't 158k - That's with the iTunes sales added. Interscope added them to make the number less embarrassing.

It was a TOTAL fucking flop. Rick Ross has only just been getting big, he's not even close to as big as 50 so to compare the two is absurd. Equally, Redman, as respected as he is has never done huge numbers either. These guys are not comparable. Jay and Em are the comparable pair to him and they both did big numbers. 50 didn't. Because his album is a brick.

It debuted at NUMBER 5 and fell to NUMBER 20 in week two. That's not a failure for an artist his size? Sure. Sounds like one to me. Debuting at anything lower than 3 for someone like him is a failure but to FALL FIIIFFFFTEEEN fucking spots in the second week is a complete breakdown. He really did self-destruct

So lets just recap. He sold less than 150k 1st week. He debuted at #5 on the charts. He fell to #20 in week two. He then fell another 20 spots to #40 in week three. I don't know what planet you're on but to anyone with a brain that's a fucking brick, sinking big time. His album plummeted from near-the-top to out of existence in weeks. Shows what a piece of trash it is.

Relapse debuted at #1. Stayed at #1 for it's second week then dropped ONE spot each week for like the following three weeks. That is a successful album. Plummeting 15 spots in your 2nd week and 20 in the 3rd week is NOT a fucking success.

[EminemBase]

^ Relapse is Em's album, Em's phenomenal, the comparison is irrelevant.
50's album has sold 426k up to date domestically and a little over 200k outside USA and slowly but surely keeps moving. Not just this world but anywhere else at this point a golden album domestically and platinum worlwide is success, nowhere near failure. It is a failure only against Em's Jay z's and 50 ex album sales. As a matter of fact only EM, Jay, T.I. and Wayne can sell more than what BISD sold in the future. That's 4 artists and in your opinion everybody else would be a failure. Golden album was not a failure even in the times when a lot more people were selling.

No they very much are comparable. 50 has the highest debut in rap history. His first two sold 20 mill combined. He very much is one of the closest in comparison in terms of sales to Eminem.

But you missed the point. Forget the first week sales. Look at the position drop. Debuting at #5 then dropping 15 spaces in week two and another 20 in week three is NOOOOT a success. You're nuts if you think that is a success to any artist.

That shows a massive, massive drop in interest every week meaning the reception is abysmal to the public. Albums bomb like that when word gets around the album is trash not when it's great. You cannot say that an album that bricked down the charts immediately is a success at all.

[EminemBase]

^ Well you're right about the interest going down but you're saying the album it total failure comercially. At the end the of the day when you get the numbers and the money it doesn't count. It's still a gold plaque domestically and it's still a platinum plaque worldwide. So you compare 50's sales to Em's who's always been the one who sells the most, but it's still irrelevant to say 50's sales are failure cuz of it, like I said then anybody else's but Jay's would be failure too for that period of time too. And like I said it's the 4th highest album sales wise for like year and a half and will stay that way until EM, Jay or Tip don't drop their next projects.
Of course the interest went down, no doubt but the point here is the you say the album is a total comercial failure. Def Jam can't even dream for those kinda numbers anymore. 123k for them was a reason to name it 'huge success' on pressconference and congratulate Luda for doing so. They didn't even admit Ghostface's 20 something K was a failure. And we talk about Def Jam, what about the rest. I don't see anybody but Drake and 50 to be close to Em's Jay's Tip's and Wayne's sales nowadays. And arguably Kanye but we don't know how the general public will react to his project after the problems he had.
See, Banks is a dope lyricist, I think you know that. Dope MC's to the fullest, and he had great comercial single alrady, but honeslty I think Banks won't push more than 130k first week, I hate to say it but that's how the game is right now.
By the way what numbers do you predict for Banks?

No it's not a platinum plaque, that's one million Worldwide. Hasn't done that yet.

But no it's not irrelevant to compare 50's to Em's and Jay's. He's a big player and should do big player numbers UNLESS? That's right folks, the quality of his music is so bad he forces himself into small-playerville. Which he did. Jay-Z was on his 11th major solo album and Em on his fifth.

The reason they both sold so well is because their music stays at a consistent quality and / or they do something new or worth noting. Not that I'm praising Jay, I don't and never have liked him but he's a fuckload better than 50.

Selling just over 100k in the first week when you're 50 cent on only your fourth album IS a commercial failure. And it's a big difference with an album losing interest as album's do week by week and dropping FIFTEEN spots immediately. That is a major flop.

It was going to sell at least that regardless because of his name. But the fact the sales dropped so drastically and so quickly shows the reception of the album by the public was not good. 50 flopped bigtime with BISD.

But you're not going to accept that and I'm certainly not going to accept it was a success. So we can part ways on this issue. I think... And know (from the numbers) it was a flop. You seem to think debuting at #5 and bricking to the bottom instantly is a success. Everyone from Vibe to most rap fans agree 50 flopped. You're in a minority in thinking he succeeded. Even he aknowledges it. Agree to disagree.

[Alaine]

140 is actual number sold first week, Interscope asked to add itunes last week number to his first week so that 160k is actually 2 weeks number. 50 flopped. Just like if Em sold 200k with Relapse people would say he flopped too. Artists who already are big names have their standards.
Didn't KRS-One say wayne is best rapper alive? sounds like someone who likes to ride the wave for me.

[Mikey1990]

ems relapse;refill leaked 3 weeks before release
50s was put onyo itunes 10 days after leak
ems re-release sold 128k not too far away from 50s
and em didnt even release a single or any promo

[Alaine]

KRS saying Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive is the most ridicilous thing hip hop fans would have ever seen, and of course it never happened.

oopa sorry my mistake, KRS-1 actually said Wayne is the greatest rapper of ALL TIME 0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI31EulR ... r_embedded

I was just saying that it nowhere near 'comercial failure' and I said exaclty what you said, numbers look bad only against his numbers or Em's Jay's and Wayne's numbers not against the numbers that other rapppers get. Plus if you read what I said you'd realize that 426k sold plus 200k+ worldwide can't never be cosidered like a comercial failure. I mean this album is gonna be platinum in like 2 months time.
Everybody knows 50's not in Em's league in any way, can't never be and there's no question about that, I repeated many time that even the comparison is irrelavant. Em's in a whole 'nother league and all rappers can't relate.

sorry but it's not even 500k yet how the hell could it go platinum in 2 months with selling only few thousands every week now?
and why do you say like only some people think he flopped? pretty much hip-hop fans know that, 50 himself knows that. Stop acting like 50 is a no-name rapper or a rapper that never made it, before BISD dropped he even said it would sell 1 million first week

[EminemBase]

LOL I guess you hope that if you keep repeating the wrong numbers it will make you happier. LOL So we both know he sold 158k but you felt better to say 140k a few times, but now it went all the way to a little over 100k??? Well I'm from the minority with Intercope and Def Jam that think when you sell 426 and still move 5k a week is a success. Especially when you add 200k+ worldwide. I'm from that minority and most of it I'm not biased. Defninitely not in EM's league but noonoe else is in that league anyway.
Plus who am I anyway, 50 was signed by Eminem and Dr.Dre and dropped 4 albums with them, sold 40+ mill in total for thier labels + his own, plus KRS-One and Ice Cube who are both tepmles of hip hop said he's pure hip hop. I guess you know better than them though.

No see once again you don't listen do you.

GO check your fucking facts. He sold well under 158k - That number is WITH the iTunes sales ADDED. Interscope requested two weeks of iTunes sales be added. To make it less embarrassing.

So try actually reading the information and comprehending it. Idiot.

Also once again, you're focusing on the embarrassing sales when that's also not the point. DEBUTING AT NUMBER 5 AND DROPPING TO 20 IN WEEK TWO, THEN 40 IN WEEK THREE. I've seen no answer to this. THAT IS A FUCKING FAILURE YOOOOUU MOOOOOROOOOON.

[watevermannnn]

50 Cent got signed to Eminem's label when Eminem just sold 20 million records. He got co-signed with Dr. Dre. He got shot 9 times, and Jam Master Jay got smoked. How to Rob was a huge buzz. He had the whole G-Unit movement, clothing lines, etc. Add all this up together, and you get a big ass debut album. Plus everyone was psyched to work with this guy, Em was dropping hot shit on the album.

In summary, this dude was all hype, even from the beginning. His beefs, ego, big personality, movies, and business deals have kept him relevant for the past few years. But as an emcee, he's average, sometimes even below that. Musically, he falls short. He has failed to re-invent himself, and people have lost interest. The gangsta shit is played out, and the new school of soft ass pussys are swarming in hip-hop (asher roth, charles ham, cudi, etc.)

There isn't too many emcees that actually last the test of time. 50 Cent won't last the test of time, and people are seeing this now with his recent numbers. Only the true geniuses and innovators will be remembered, everyone else fizzles out.

[Alaine]

Oopa, it is your mistake indeed, You're watching a video and don't even know what going on. That's love giving and fucking around . Look at both of their faces when KRS-One says that.
Here you can see who KRS thinks is the best rapper and who's on his top 5, his vision of hip hop is totally different than any of us on this site by the way, like I said too bad that you're seing a video and don't even know what's going on.

http://allhiphop.com/stories/reviewsmus ... 28233.aspx

About the platinum thing, I meant worldwide cuz he's got 200k+ sold abroad. I said golden in USA and Platinum worldwide go back and check it. He's got 426k sold domestically and keeps moving like 5k. And I'll say it again, my whole point that it's nowhere near a comercial failure because like I said it's still the 4th highest selling hip hop record for the last year and a half. It is a huge drop against his sales, but just compare it to anybody else but EM, Jay and Wayne and you'll see that's not a failure. But actually don't bother, it's not that importnat.

yeah like when Em said lots of rappers are dope people think he's fucking around too It came out of his mouth, it's his words. The point is, a rapper is just as human as us, they have their own opinions & biases, I don't see why one should form an opinion based on another's. Just like I think Em is the best ever but doesn't mean his opinions on hip-hop are always right. Fuck I actually think he has terrible taste.
And there's no such thing as 'platinum worldwide' ever exist, every country has different standard for plaque. If you meant 1 mili then just say 1 mili, don't complicate the problem. I doubt it will reach 1 mili worldwide anyway, maybe next year.
And sorry but '4th highest selling hip hop record for the last year' is nothing to be proud of, who dropped last year again? Em, Jay, .. Rick Ross? Also yes, we can compare him to Em & Jay, he is (was) on their level in term of sale. Didn't The Massacre sell more than 1 mili in first 3 days? that's even more than Encore 0: Proof how much 50 fell off.

[Raids-God]

i think diffrent ppl on her like 50, I liked his first to albums cus ( Yeah he was trying to be megabad gangster man ) But it was fresh back then and had The amazing Dre beats. Some of the Gunit stuff was ok i guess like ( Ill whip your head boy and Smile ) but after all of his gangster approch he tried lovey dovey wirth Curtis witch sucked becuse you should never say GAT in a love song. but still hes tryin a new approuch now with 2010's Black magic he said Dance / Rmb / gangster rap Good luck with that

[EminemBase]

50 Cent got signed to Eminem's label when Eminem just sold 20 million records. He got co-signed with Dr. Dre. He got shot 9 times, and Jam Master Jay got smoked. How to Rob was a huge buzz. He had the whole G-Unit movement, clothing lines, etc. Add all this up together, and you get a big ass debut album. Plus everyone was psyched to work with this guy, Em was dropping hot shit on the album.

In summary, this dude was all hype, even from the beginning. His beefs, ego, big personality, movies, and business deals have kept him relevant for the past few years. But as an emcee, he's average, sometimes even below that. Musically, he falls short. He has failed to re-invent himself, and people have lost interest. The gangsta shit is played out, and the new school of soft ass pussys are swarming in hip-hop (asher roth, charles ham, cudi, etc.)

There isn't too many emcees that actually last the test of time. 50 Cent won't last the test of time, and people are seeing this now with his recent numbers. Only the true geniuses and innovators will be remembered, everyone else fizzles out.

Absolutely. I've always said this. 50 is all image and drama. His skills alone shouldn't of even made him a big underground name let alone a Worldwide one.

Em absolutely knew that he was going to cash in on 50's gangsta drama above all. I mean sure at the start he wrote nice dark melodic hooks too. But that's all he brought to the table. He's always been awful on everything else.

50 probably knows this too and this is why every album he re-hashes an old beef or has some drama going on. I mean what a shameful artist. Well, he doesn't even deserve to be called an artist, all he cares about is fucking money and numbers. He thinks that's what makes a great rapper.

I mean when he said Em's plaque for the MMLP was what inspired him for greatness... Just shocking. So he was inspired by the sales. You would think Em's creative genius on the record would be you know... A bit more inspiring lmao. Would to a real artist anyway.