Dr.Dre On Recovery

[Chilli]

I don't think Dre's ever produced to his full potential on any of Em's albums. His work was much better on his solo albums and some of Snoop's stuff. If he went back to doing funky shit like this, I'd be all for him on Recovery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNsINpnqSA

[EminemBase]

It has nothing to do with the lack of samples. When making your own beats you get the exact melody/feeling you want to spit.

To me Eminem is a mediocre producer as 90% of his beats sound the same. He should definitely try something new with his drum sound and try working on more layers. His shit doesn't surprise me cus it's always something simple unlike world class producers like Just Blaze.

I don't hope he will be on Recovery as there is already a fair share of producers confirmed, plus there's some I rather have on the record.

Don't get me wrong. It's nos as if I think he's crap or anything but I don't think he's anything special at all.

Sound the same? What in the World are you listening to.

Almost every one of his beats is totally distinctive from the next. In terms of techniques he may use yeah but they all sound totally different.

How does "The Cross" sound like "No Apologies", or "Square Dance" like "Till I Collapse". He's created a widerange of beats. And it absolutely has to do with not sampling. He creates melodies from scratch and they're melodies from his head, often. So you get a very memorable, distinctive tune each time.

It doesn't happend a lot, but now you're wrong
Ems beats usually sound very similar and it's easy to point out an Em production. The melodies and all may be very different, but but his drum and bass-line is usually quite standard. I guess it's easier to hear if you're actually making beats for yourself.
Em beats often gives me a quite unique feeling as well, i bet im not the only one who gets that.

Actually if you took time to actually READ what I put you wouldn't make replies like this. You're actually wrong about me being wrong here

To quote myself:
In terms of techniques he may use yeah but they all sound totally different.

I acknowledged that he may construct beats using the same techniques. But as you said, the melodies are all very different. Which is what I said. They sound totally different.

Every producer has a distinct way of making beats. Dre does the same shit most the time too.

[RapName]

Actually if you took time to actually READ what I put you wouldn't make replies like this. You're actually wrong about me being wrong here

To quote myself:
In terms of techniques he may use yeah but they all sound totally different.

I acknowledged that he may construct beats using the same techniques. But as you said, the melodies are all very different. Which is what I said. They sound totally different.

Every producer has a distinct way of making beats. Dre does the same shit most the time too.

Of course I read it, but I didn't fully get what you ment untill now. As you say, every producer has their own way of constructing the beat, but the great producers are able to switch things up and get a totally different soundimage when they chose to. Ems beats usually follow the same steps, or pattern if i may. Personally, Im glad because Ems beats fits Em perfectly (everytime) and thats really all i ask for

[Mikey1990]

luis resto is the one that makes em beats great
hes great on the keyboards

[EminemBase]

Actually if you took time to actually READ what I put you wouldn't make replies like this. You're actually wrong about me being wrong here

To quote myself:
In terms of techniques he may use yeah but they all sound totally different.

I acknowledged that he may construct beats using the same techniques. But as you said, the melodies are all very different. Which is what I said. They sound totally different.

Every producer has a distinct way of making beats. Dre does the same shit most the time too.

Of course I read it, but I didn't fully get what you ment untill now. As you say, every producer has their own way of constructing the beat, but the great producers are able to switch things up and get a totally different soundimage when they chose to. Ems beats usually follow the same steps, or pattern if i may. Personally, Im glad because Ems beats fits Em perfectly (everytime) and thats really all i ask for

I don't agree that he's as formulaic as everyone is suggesting though.

"Criminal", "Renegade", "Purple Pills", "Without Me", "Sing For The Moment", "Stimulate", "Moment of Clarity", "Warrior Pt. II", "My 1st Single", "Crazy In Love", "Gatman and Robbin", "Jamaican Girl"...

I fail to see how all those beats sound anything alike, even in technique actually. He more than switches it up. He does fast slow, hip-hop, rap rock, funk rap, guitars, pianos, strings... He's very versatile. I don't get the gripe.

Where as Dre ALWAYS has loud as fuck formulaic drums banging over any beat he creates. Dre is far less creative and more bland to me. Em can't switch it up like Kanye but he doesn't just create the same beats.

[Mikey1990]

well em has got the best producer atm on his album
dj khalil
he is very versatile

[RapName]

Actually if you took time to actually READ what I put you wouldn't make replies like this. You're actually wrong about me being wrong here

To quote myself:
In terms of techniques he may use yeah but they all sound totally different.

I acknowledged that he may construct beats using the same techniques. But as you said, the melodies are all very different. Which is what I said. They sound totally different.

Every producer has a distinct way of making beats. Dre does the same shit most the time too.

Of course I read it, but I didn't fully get what you ment untill now. As you say, every producer has their own way of constructing the beat, but the great producers are able to switch things up and get a totally different soundimage when they chose to. Ems beats usually follow the same steps, or pattern if i may. Personally, Im glad because Ems beats fits Em perfectly (everytime) and thats really all i ask for

I don't agree that he's as formulaic as everyone is suggesting though.

"Criminal", "Renegade", "Purple Pills", "Without Me", "Sing For The Moment", "Stimulate", "Moment of Clarity", "Warrior Pt. II", "My 1st Single", "Crazy In Love", "Gatman and Robbin", "Jamaican Girl"...

I fail to see how all those beats sound anything alike, even in technique actually. He more than switches it up. He does fast slow, hip-hop, rap rock, funk rap, guitars, pianos, strings... He's very versatile. I don't get the gripe.

Where as Dre ALWAYS has loud as fuck formulaic drums banging over any beat he creates. Dre is far less creative and more bland to me. Em can't switch it up like Kanye but he doesn't just create the same beats.

Well, i agree 100% with the last paragraph. Dre hasn't produced anything interesting or exciting as long as i can remember.

[EminemBase]

loud thumping Dre drums >>>>>>> shitty clicky Eminem drums with weak snare

listen to Marshall Mathers. those drums are weak as FUCK & amateurish. they sound like GarageBand drums. that song, The Way I Am & Cleaning Out My Closet could have been perfect beats if it weren't for the weak drums.

Nah, not for me. Em's production for Em >>>> Dre's.

Dre wrecks Em tracks with those thumping drums because he drowns out the vocals. They're good for his gangsta bangers with a thematic tone but Em's a lyricist, they're the wrong thing for his music IMO.

Em's drums ain't amateurish, it's not like he's incapable of making the drums louder, he just tones it down and lets the melodies and strings take force. Much better for his style. And "The Way I Am" and "Cleanin' Out My Closet" are BETTER because of those drums.

Not every hip-hop track should have ear-crushing drums for the sake of it. The melodies make those tracks, bigger drums would trash them.

[ShadyVsEminem]

Ems beats usually sound very similar and it's easy to point out an Em production.

It is definitely easy to point out a Dre and Kanye production most of the time aswell.Whats wrong with producers having there own signature sound?Eminem is a better producer for himself than Jim Jonsin and the lad who produced Forever will be on Recovery i honestly dont know why he is branching out to them from what i have heard(90% of it is pop music).

After 10 years i 100% think he is better than Dre at making beats for himself because he produces nearly all of my favorite songs(just listen to all his beats on The 8mile soundtrack).Dre is my favorite producer all around just look at the classic albums he has been heavily involved in but honestly he aint better than Eminem and for himself just compare TES`s production to Relapse.

Dre produced say what you say,business and My dads gone crazy on TES and none of them are standout beats on that album.

[Hiphopdane]

I might ask you the same question.
How does an album where every melody is in E minor Phrygian qualify as the best produced rap album ever?

And that makes it bad because? I can't really see that being a problem as long as the tracks don't sound alike. It's not a heavy metal album.

[stillmatic]

I'm not sure about you guys, but Dr.Dre plays a major role on every Eminem album.

You guys say he hasn't produced that many classic beats for Eminem, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Excluding the beats he's done himself, he MIXES every Eminem beat for him. That's why he's an executive producer on every Eminem album etc.

The best example I can give is Game/50 Cent's song "Hate it or Love it". Cool and Dre did the beat for that, but Dr.Dre mixed it and that's why he was given almost all the credit for it, because a beat is not finished without the mixing of it in the studio, that is attaching bass, strings, instruments and mixing of sound etc. That's why when Mary J.Blige did her remix, she kept mentioning Dr.Dre.

Another example is Stan, the beat of that song is completely different to the finalized version, where Dre mixes background noises and affects to it.

I would be certain 99% of Eminem songs have been mixed by Dre. Eminem's beats would be nothing without Dre.

The underrating of the greatest producer of all time is a bit weird.

[Hiphopdane]

I'm not sure about you guys, but Dr.Dre plays a major role on every Eminem album.

You guys say he hasn't produced that many classic beats for Eminem, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Excluding the beats he's done himself, he MIXES every Eminem beat for him. That's why he's an executive producer on every Eminem album etc.

The best example I can give is Game/50 Cent's song "Hate it or Love it". Cool and Dre did the beat for that, but Dr.Dre mixed it and that's why he was given almost all the credit for it, because a beat is not finished without the mixing of it in the studio, that is attaching bass, strings, instruments and mixing of sound etc. That's why when Mary J.Blige did her remix, she kept mentioning Dr.Dre.

Another example is Stan, the beat of that song is completely different to the finalized version, where Dre mixes background noises and affects to it.

I would be certain 99% of Eminem songs have been mixed by Dre. Eminem's beats would be nothing without Dre.

The underrating of the greatest producer of all time is a bit weird.

Good post. Kanye West once said that he begged Dre to mix his Late Registration album.

[EminemBase]

I'm not sure about you guys, but Dr.Dre plays a major role on every Eminem album.

You guys say he hasn't produced that many classic beats for Eminem, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Excluding the beats he's done himself, he MIXES every Eminem beat for him. That's why he's an executive producer on every Eminem album etc.

The best example I can give is Game/50 Cent's song "Hate it or Love it". Cool and Dre did the beat for that, but Dr.Dre mixed it and that's why he was given almost all the credit for it, because a beat is not finished without the mixing of it in the studio, that is attaching bass, strings, instruments and mixing of sound etc. That's why when Mary J.Blige did her remix, she kept mentioning Dr.Dre.

Another example is Stan, the beat of that song is completely different to the finalized version, where Dre mixes background noises and affects to it.

I would be certain 99% of Eminem songs have been mixed by Dre. Eminem's beats would be nothing without Dre.

The underrating of the greatest producer of all time is a bit weird.

That's not entirely true. Yes Dre is exec everytime and oversees it and lends Em his ear always. But Em's beats totally exceed Dre's for his own rapping. The entire of TES minus Dre's for example. Dre may mix the beats so that they come together well or sound crisp.

But Em is also in there from start to finish and Dre often gets much more credit than he deserves. 2Pac said he used to see Dre like, barely say a word, maybe give 1% input on a track and get full production credit. I seriously think the guy is overrated.

He's a great producer yeah but he's nowhere near the greatest and Em's beats are much better for his own work AND more memorable and distinctive in general. To me anyway.

[Emadyville]

I just think, whether he produces tracks or not, his influence and just being there with em through the process is beneficial to the album

[stillmatic]

I agree with you to an extent.

In terms of pure production, that is the original beat, Eminem usually has more success with it not being a Dr.Dre track for whatever reason, however I still don't think these great Eminem beats would be what they are with Dr.Dre's mixing.

Raekwon said about Cuban Linx II that Dr.Dre had finished with the two beats for his album, sent it to Raekwon and he delivered his vocals, then Rae sent it back to Dre and that Dre almost started from scratch to mix the track, it takes him that long to perfect it. Now some might say he was lazy and just left it, but there's too much proof to say he's just a perfectionist. Snoop Dogg was also recording with Dre, and he was saying Dre was taking way too long with his mixing for a song, and then Snoop said something along the lines of he wasn't young anymore or as patient, so Dre just gave him a Detox beat and song - which ended up being 'Imagine'.

With the Tupac reference, well I think it might just be the great mans big mouth. Without knowing the full story, just looking at the big picture, Tupac was PROBABLY only there for the production of California Love, there are hardly any Death Row tracks that were produced by Dr.Dre during the Tupac era there, most of Dr.Dre's production at Death Row came before Tupac was there. Tupac did have a go at Dre's work ethic, I know that, but I just think he was saying whatever he liked to discredit Dre because of their beef.