Does Dre think Eminem is the best?

[Shady'baby.]

I basically think Eminem is the real thing, and the black rappers are wanna bes. Em's just trying to be nice with them.

The people who created the genre are wannabes? Riiiiiiiiight.

The people who created it aren't no, but the black people that are left now and try to do it are. I.E gucci mane, lil wayne, birdman etc

[Shady'baby.]

Em's the best by far. And I listen to a lot of hip-hop and fuck any lame coward who just uses the "oh you're just a stan" cop-out every single time somebody says Em is the best.

Em is the Tyson to rap, 2Pac is Ali. Many say Ali / Pac are the greatest because they were so authoritative, overpowering and influential. 2Pac also went out on a high. It'd be like Em getting killed after The Eminem Show.

But technically speaking, in any aspect, Eminem is far and above Pac or any other great. Just like Tyson is in terms of boxing skill. Fast, slow, angry, emotional, realistic, surreal, psychopathic, storytelling - Em has mastered 1,000 styles to 50 different subject matters and created 1,000 more.

To people who say he JUST talks about his daughter / mother etc. are idiots. Out of what, about 400 songs, he's maybe a total of what... Seven? Towards them both combined. Yeah, phew, what a gigantic percentage. In comparison to how many about the cops / drugs and gangstas with 2Pac? Lmao. Eminem can do what any great can, none of them can do what he can.

Ali is the best heavyweight boxer ever, only challenged by Joe Louis. Tyson was an animal in his prime, but once he faced a guy who wasn't afraid of him, he got beat. Ali on the other hand has wins over Foreman and Frazier, 2 of the 10 best heavyweights ever. But neither Ali or Tyson are the best boxers ever, that would be either Ray Robinson, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, or Henry Armstrong.

Anyway back on topic, it's subjective, you can't just say Em is by far the best rapper ever, it's an opinion. In terms of pure skill, I'd say G Rap, Pharoahe Monch, Big L, and Andre 3000 are all at least level with Em, in terms of discography, there are many better out there

Ali admitted in an interview that tyson would beat him, and i agree. Tysons ferociousness is unknown, Ali even tho hes a great techniques would loose in a second to tysons rapid movements and raw power. Atleast my opinion :P

[Shady'baby.]

I don't give a shit what critics say, they're paid to give an opinion, not to be right. The fact is the majority of hiphop fans, outside of Eminem fans, do not consider TES to be a classic, SSLP and MMLP on the other hand.....
Every emcee I mentioned has more originality than Em, Jesus Christ you can clearly see that Em was influenced by Chino XL and Redman: they started that celebraty bashing/controversial style way before Em adopted it, G Rap on the other hand, this guy made his own sub genre of hiphop that spawned classics like Reasonable Doubt and Cuban Linx.
And to say Andre 3k doesn't possess the skill and artist integrity of Eminem is just blasphemous
Anyway we agree to disagree

And I don't give a molecule of horse shit what the fuck YOU say.

Irony at its best.

Must every thread in this section go around in circles these days? Tell me EB, if you don't give a horse shit what he says, why should he give a horse shit what you say, or why should anyone else? EminemBase you don't seem to realise that no matter how many statistics you post up an opinion is still an opinion; you can't make everyone love Eminem. Just because it's an Eminem fansite doesn't mean people who don't think he's #1 ever aren't allowed to come here. The fact that you can't make people think something also relates to the thread in general; there will never be a #1 ever because it's far too subjective and to be considered #1 ever pretty much everyone in the world has to love you, and that's not possible for anyone. Now, to return to the topic and ask in terms of does DRE think he's the best (not all you little bitches complaining back and forth), he probably thinks he's one of the best or he wouldn't have taken such a huge risk bringing him up and backing him. But again that's Dre's opinion, doesn't make it fact. Fuck me, it's like talking to children.

LEt people discuss what they want in which way they want, geez. Cant you see this fucking forum is dead as it is, for you guys to keep on whining about someone writing essays about a matter is just not right. We should be thankful we got someone like EB that has clever remarks and interesting storys to read. Seriously people need to either jon in or keep out of the discussion and not try to forbid it or stop it.

[D_Block313]

There so many close minded fucks out there.

Irony at it's best.

I have never seen you quoting somebody and say something positive , Seems like you always trying to pick up fights over the internet , Maybe because you have a miserable life and you try to push your anger through these internet forums ?

I really feel bad for you bro , You`re the most pathetic person I`v seen in an online forum yet.

And Lol @ the cute Mod whos deleting my Post . And not deleting his. After all I just stated my opinion to the Topic starter.

Pathetic too I might say.

Thay would be the Nazi trainee Kez.

[D_Block313]

pretty sure EmBase knows he can't make everyone love Eminem & i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to disallow people who don't think Em is #1 from coming here. he is not trying to force people to agree with him. he even offered to agree to disagree with KillahBee in the thread. you're completely misinterpreting it.

i'm pretty sure you're stating the obvious when you say "opinions are subjective bla bla", "you can't change people's opinions" & that those two statements more than anything make discussions go around in circles, rather than the discussion Eminem Base & KillahBee were having. just because a discussion is back-&-forth by nature, or tit-for-tat, does not mean it is going in circles. new points are being made with every post & the discussion isn't stagnant.

on more than one occasion you have confused a back-&-forth discussion for an unproductive one & locked the thread. meanwhile you post image macros devoid of any substance that add nothing @ all to the discussion.

Just delete his fucking posts. You always delete the noob posts that are short but never the long annoying stupid ones. Why is that?


First of all, if he knows he can't make people agree with him, why does he post fawking huge essays about it? Plus, surely he can see the pointlessness in giving people his opinion when he freely proclaims that he doesn't care about anyone else's, which begs the question of why would the guy he said this to care about his? Secondly, i have to state the obvious because so many people seem to ignore it here these days. And i lock the threads because they are repetitive as all fuck; i don't need to see ANOTHER thread about, when you strip it down, "Is Eminem good or not?" followed by some faggot Stans going "STFU HE IS GOD".

And for your information, i didn't lock this thread because i recognised it had aspects of a discussion in it, as opposed to the previous ones i locked. But hey, you're free to disagree with whatever you want; still won't change anything.

[LLockhart86]

I think dre thinks eminem is the best

[Chilli]

I basically think Eminem is the real thing, and the black rappers are wanna bes. Em's just trying to be nice with them.

The people who created the genre are wannabes? Riiiiiiiiight.

The people who created it aren't no, but the black people that are left now and try to do it are. I.E gucci mane, lil wayne, birdman etc

The ones you mentioned, yeah, I agree. But majority of good rappers still out there are black.

[RealSickLindley]

Sorry, didn't see this.

Eminem Show is NOT seen as a classic amongst Hip Hop (although i think it is)
Neither is the SSLP (as it shouldn't)
MMLP is seen as his classic (even though i think ES is better)

And @Eminembase, to say Jay has 1 classic is extrememly arrogant. You like to show that your knowledge spans past Stannery, well stop letting the fact you don't feel him get in the way of what is regarded as the truth.

[EminemBase]

pretty sure EmBase knows he can't make everyone love Eminem & i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to disallow people who don't think Em is #1 from coming here. he is not trying to force people to agree with him. he even offered to agree to disagree with KillahBee in the thread. you're completely misinterpreting it.

i'm pretty sure you're stating the obvious when you say "opinions are subjective bla bla", "you can't change people's opinions" & that those two statements more than anything make discussions go around in circles, rather than the discussion Eminem Base & KillahBee were having. just because a discussion is back-&-forth by nature, or tit-for-tat, does not mean it is going in circles. new points are being made with every post & the discussion isn't stagnant.

on more than one occasion you have confused a back-&-forth discussion for an unproductive one & locked the thread. meanwhile you post image macros devoid of any substance that add nothing @ all to the discussion.

Exactly.

Stating opinions are subjective around every turn is redundant and ridiculous. We know this and it should be taken as read unless stated otherwise.

But stating it everytime you state an opinion in any sense that could be considered 'strong' completely defeats the object. Everybody should be allowed to state their opinions as strongly as they like.

[EminemBase]

And @Eminembase, to say Jay has 1 classic is extrememly arrogant. You like to show that your knowledge spans past Stannery, well stop letting the fact you don't feel him get in the way of what is regarded as the truth.

That's not arrogant.

Reasonable Doubt is generally the only stone-cold considered classic by Jay-Z in the opinion of a lot of rap fans. The Black Album also considered by SOME at a push but not more than two (to most).

So stop letting the fact you do feel him get in the way of the actual truth.

[RealSickLindley]

And @Eminembase, to say Jay has 1 classic is extrememly arrogant. You like to show that your knowledge spans past Stannery, well stop letting the fact you don't feel him get in the way of what is regarded as the truth.

That's not arrogant.

Reasonable Doubt is generally the only stone-cold considered classic by Jay-Z in the opinion of a lot of rap fans. The Black Album also considered by SOME at a push but not more than two (to most).

So stop letting the fact you do feel him get in the way of the actual truth.

I try and take you seriously, but i know that your love of Em will stop you ever enjoying rap itself. I couldn't listen to a genre thinking "this guy just blows away anything and everyone!".. It'd be boring. But that's the point, Em isn't perfect, he isn't the undisputed number 1. Whilst he can do emotion and influenced alot of people, there's people like Pac, who made a similar cultural impact, or Big Pun who was better with the multies, or Big L who was better with the punchlines, or Nas who was better with the flow..

I'm on an Eminem site. I love Eminem's music. I get more excited about it than most things..

But the guy has a decent first album (do not even call it a classic), a classic 2nd album, and a disputable classic in ES.. Then has 2 average albums for different reasons, and a dry spot of quite a few years. Through this time he goes from COMC to Ass Like That.

That's not perfect. That's not beyond argument or competition. And you can construct poetry about Marshall to describe how he connects with his audience or puts his heart in to his work.. But if the guy was so unbelievable, then why didn't he put it out all the time, hitting the mark everytime..

Because he's human.

He is a genius with flaws, and skills wise is in the top 10, influence wise the top 5, lyrics wise, possibly the GOAT.

That is all.

[LLockhart86]

Sorry, didn't see this.

Eminem Show is NOT seen as a classic amongst Hip Hop (although i think it is)
Neither is the SSLP (as it shouldn't)
MMLP is seen as his classic (even though i think ES is better)

And @Eminembase, to say Jay has 1 classic is extrememly arrogant. You like to show that your knowledge spans past Stannery, well stop letting the fact you don't feel him get in the way of what is regarded as the truth.

Are you actually saying SSLP doesnt deserve to be a classic?

SSLP was his strongest album by far. MMLP , although good, doesnt hold a candle to the sslp. Hype doesnt make an album good, either does 3 very very strong songs.

SSLP is a cd full of classic songs.

SSLP - Every one of the full songs on this album are good. Most great.

01. Public Service Announcement - Skit
02. My Name Is - Good
03. Guilty Conscience - Great
04. Brain Damage - Good
05. Paul - Skit
06. If I Had - Amazing
07. 97' Bonnie & Clyde - Amazing
08. Bitch - Skit
09. Role Model - Great
10. Lounge - Skit
11. My Fault - Great
12. Ken Kaniff - Skit
13. Cum On Everybody - Amazing
14. Rock Bottom - Classic
15. Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic
16. Soap - Skit
17. As The World Turns - Great
18. I'm Shady - Great
19. Bad Meets Evil - Great
20. Still Don't Give A Fuck - An Amazing Classic

Theres really not one bad song on the entire album, the only one that could be considered bad is my name is....

Now the MMLP actually has bad songs... Remember Me, Amityville, Bitch Please 2 and Under the Influence are all songs that get NO play from me, and never did. And the only REALLY good songs are Kill You, Drug Ballad, Kim and Criminal....

[RealSickLindley]

Sorry, didn't see this.

Eminem Show is NOT seen as a classic amongst Hip Hop (although i think it is)
Neither is the SSLP (as it shouldn't)
MMLP is seen as his classic (even though i think ES is better)

And @Eminembase, to say Jay has 1 classic is extrememly arrogant. You like to show that your knowledge spans past Stannery, well stop letting the fact you don't feel him get in the way of what is regarded as the truth.

Are you actually saying SSLP doesnt deserve to be a classic?

SSLP was his strongest album by far. MMLP , although good, doesnt hold a candle to the sslp. Hype doesnt make an album good, either does 3 very very strong songs.

SSLP is a cd full of classic songs.

SSLP - Every one of the full songs on this album are good. Most great.

01. Public Service Announcement - Skit
02. My Name Is - Good
03. Guilty Conscience - Great
04. Brain Damage - Good
05. Paul - Skit
06. If I Had - Amazing
07. 97' Bonnie & Clyde - Amazing
08. Bitch - Skit
09. Role Model - Great
10. Lounge - Skit
11. My Fault - Great
12. Ken Kaniff - Skit
13. Cum On Everybody - Amazing
14. Rock Bottom - Classic
15. Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic
16. Soap - Skit
17. As The World Turns - Great
18. I'm Shady - Great
19. Bad Meets Evil - Great
20. Still Don't Give A Fuck - An Amazing Classic

Theres really not one bad song on the entire album, the only one that could be considered bad is my name is....

Now the MMLP actually has bad songs... Remember Me, Amityville, Bitch Please 2 and Under the Influence are all songs that get NO play from me, and never did. And the only REALLY good songs are Kill You, Drug Ballad, Kim and Criminal....

I just always saw SSLP as a better Relapse..

It didn't have a silly voice, and had his best punchline game..

But you had to be in a "Slim Shady" mood to listen to it. ES and MMLP have a variety.

That is the only thing not making it a classic. And as much as i still love the album, and it shouldn't lower your opinion or anything, but i can assure you, it's generally seen as nowhere near a classic, but a VERY good 'debut' in the mainstream.