Em Being Hypocritical

[EminemBase]

Now, I'll start this post by just stating I love Recovery. So despite my criticism of Em's decision here, I'm not criticising the result from his actions. Just the principle in his actions.

Okay so, in 2009 when he came back, Em said that on the first two albums it felt like he just did completely what he wanted. And thought 'fuck what everybody else thinks' and he was happy doing it that way. So he said that was his aim with Relapse and R2, his return, to just be himself and do what he wants and fuck what everybody says. And if people don't like what he does then he won't care.

Yet, immediately after some mixed reactions on Relapse and his new style / content, he immediately scraps that theme, denounces the album and does exactly what he thinks the fans / other people want. I'm not saying he doesn't like Recovery. But man, talk about contradiction. He stated something with pure conviction then totally went against it immediately.

He cares too much what his fans think. A true artist should do what they want and what they want only. At all times. If the current fans don't like what you're doing then fuck it, you'll make new fans. Because if they don't like it and you (as an artist) do then those fans are no longer in the same mind as you about what you do. So it's not right you try please them anyway. That's just as bad as trying to water down your content to please people who dislike you to begin with.

So once again, Recovery is a great album but he totally went against his principles by listening to exactly what people said and changing himself drastically based off of that. Despite stating this is the exact thing he wanted not to do.

[HereHere]

Em's always been a hypocrite. He takes the piss out of people's daughters and sons all the time, but when someone does it to him he gets butthurt.

[Fa-Q]

No, Em said it was him coming out of writers block

[flyingmonkey10]

No, Em said it was him coming out of writers block

[buffalo bill]

I strongly disagree. I kept listening to Relapse over and over and over and over. MUCH more than I listen to Recovery now. Even though Recovery just came out it already kind of bores me. Relapse took like half a year to even start to bore me.

[HairJordan23]

Em's always been a hypocrite. He takes the piss out of people's daughters and sons all the time, but when someone does it to him he gets butthurt.

I've never heard him talk about someone's kid in a negative way.

[EminemBase]

I can't listen to Relapse over and over.

Like he said himself........the joke is over

Recovery has insane replay value. Listened to it countless amounts of times already and I'm not bored

= signs of a superior album.

I don't agree with him at all with Relapse.

Firstly, there's hardly any 'punchlines', it's mostly overly descriptive acts of violence and zany situations. He seems to think comedy is slicing people's faces up lmfao.

But I don't listen to his music for one liners. It's the whole package. So Relapse isn't a 'joke' that is over to me. It's a wonderful construct of beats and lyricism. It's storytelling gusto and intense flows.

I can listen to it over and over and over. And did when it first came. The replay value comes from peeling away at each element like an onion not getting a kick out of the odd funny lines. Discovering new details in his flows, listening to every description, the flows themselves are so energetic and precise. It has immense replay value.

[HereHere]

Em's always been a hypocrite. He takes the piss out of people's daughters and sons all the time, but when someone does it to him he gets butthurt.

I've never heard him talk about someone's kid in a negative way.

Any girl he talks about is someone's daughter, that's my point. Especially people like Miley Cyrus since she has a famous dad. If another rapper talked about jacking off to Hailey or cutting her open with a can opener Em would rage. All it took was someone to mention her name in a song a few years ago and it'd get Em to write a diss song.

Anyway, Recovery owns, the reason he changed direction was probably cause of fans but meh, whatever. We got Recovery which is fucking amazing, and that's the main thing.

[Shit Can Happen]

It's called "changing your mind." And it's also possible that after he re-listened to Relapse, he decided that it wasn't the sort of material he wanted to put out again for reasons already mentioned from the Ross interview, hence still doing what he wanted to do. I also think you have a fairly elitist view on what one has to do in order to be a "true artist." If the art is good then the art is good. I don't give a fuck about the commercial motivation behind it as long as I like it.

Shit, he's even put out music that he doesn't necessarily love for commercial reasons right from the damn start. How many times has he established that he finds first singles like My Name Is and The Real Slim Shady to be fucking annoying but put them out because he knew they'd be hits?

[Kez]

So basically EmBase, because you think Relapse is better, you attribute Em's change in mindstate to being "hypocritical"? Lol.

[Shit Can Happen]

So basically EmBase, because you think Relapse is better, you attribute Em's change in mindstate to being "hypocritical"? Lol.

oh no, wait for the reply.

Ten paragraphs of intellectual pretentious bullshit.

One thing that does kinda annoy me even though it's not a big deal: even if Em went in a different direction with Recovery (and a direction I'm glad he went in), I do wish he didn't so readily "apologize" to fans who didn't like Relapse. It just gives them an unmerited sense of entitlement. That album was a badass rap album and he probably knows that, whether it was filled with songs you can play repeatedly on the radio or not.

[EmIsKingOfHipHop]

Recovery replay value =

when im done listening to the album i want to go through it all over again.

[EminemBase]

So basically EmBase, because you think Relapse is better, you attribute Em's change in mindstate to being "hypocritical"? Lol.

Could you point out where I said Relapse was better.

I believe I said in the very first paragraph that I love Recovery and am criticising the PRINCIPLES in his actions not the results.

At least read what I put before questioning me.

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I knew this thread would turn into post after post of people declaring their love for Recovery. Which is why I stated from the get-go this has nothing to do with the album itself. It's the hypocricy in his actions what I am wanting to discuss.

Yet people still act as if I'm dissing Recovery.

[Drucifer]

Eh, I dont care the reason, I wouldnt have bought another CD full of Accents. Maybe it was hypocritical, or maybe he just realized the album wasnt very good, whichever reason I'm just glad he went another direction.

[Daveyboy]

On the replay thing. I think Relapse has replay value, but as an album in its entirety. Recovery has far more individual stand out tracks that I can relate to, which is much better replay value.