Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

[EminemBase]

@trinell05 - First of all, I don't think I'm great.

As I've stated many times, I'm a fucked up loser who can't keep his head straight. And I'm either totally depressed or totally manic. But my obsessive detail is just from the way my brain is, not some delusion about my stature / greatness.

Secondly, don't lump everyone else in with people like you. It's insulting to them. Not 'all' the people here annoy me to that degree at all. Just some complete cunts like you do. No need to name them all but you're now firmly one of them. And you have the cheek to act like it's me with the problem when you're the one randomly trying to pick it with me, trying to take the piss and mock everything I do. Out of the blue.

Cheeky whore, go slurp some more cum up you rancid bitch.

[Shit Can Happen]

ily

[EminemBase]

^ Once again you're attributing my behaviour specific to Eminem.

I obsess over everything, I analyze everybody and myself. Not just Eminem. I analyze and do this with every aspect of life, every thought.

It's not specific to Eminem. It's just that, you know... On a... Eminem forum, posts on... Eminem kind of make sense. I go on other forums to discuss things other than... Eminem. But since this forum is on Eminem, I make posts on... Eminem. Yeah, wow, how weird.

PS. I'm aware I did the exact thing you said I do (psychoanalysis). I'm not oblivious to it, I just see no problem with it. And don't care much if you do.

[Emadyville]

I don't really think the two would exactly gel together very well if they wrote a show...for one thing Em's American and Ricky's English.

Plus, Em isn't exactly a scriptwriter lol he probably wouldn't even know where to begin

Still though i'd definately watch it if it happened

That sums up my thoughts on this matter perfectly. It's cool what he said tho, thanks emabse for this topic, it's quite interesting

[Brood]

Norm Macdonald > *

But yes, it would be interesting to see Eminem do something like that. Seeing him as a well-established writer in showbiz would be much better than him acting imo (not to discredit him, because I thought 8mile was decent) Perhaps he could do both.

[EminemBase]

^ Yeah I have all the XFM shows.

I've been listening to them repeatedly, or used to, for years. Absolutely hilarious.

New podcasts aren't as good but the first three series were golden. Gervais is brilliant but his latest stand-up was a major let down, quite literally one of the worst stand-up shows I've ever seen. He watered himself down so much, the material was so much more predictable and lame.

And that's annoying as his first three are hilarious. Especially "Animals", the bible routine is one of my favourite ever. He's slacking like fuck lately. I hope does have a backlash like Em did, so he can realize he needs to get back to where he was.

[RealSickLindley]

1. Ems comedy is made to fit bars in a rap setting. It won't match the structure and social context needed to write something. Take it from someone who writes as part of his job, saying Em would be able to be good with it because he's creative and an artist, doesn't work. He'd be in the deep end trying to write something that takes so much detail such as a script.

And now for the IMO bit..

2. Gervais is a guy who had 1 classic programme, 1 classic tour, and a popular podcast series.. Then fucked off to America when people got sick of his sometimes repetative comedic style here, to become a star over there He appears in a couple of English/American comedy films, which are painfull to watch (do not mix the two styles and cultures ffs). Oh but he does pop his head up in the country of the people who made him every once and while.. With the fat fuck doing the SAME fucking sketch basically every year for children in need as a lame attempt to stay relevant with the people that used to love him as a nation.

A fresh recovered relevant Em working with that washed up chubster?

No Thanks.

[EminemBase]

^ Your first point I've already answered to somebody who said Em wouldn't know where to start with writing a sitcom. This is why GERVAIS is there. If they worked together, all that would matter is Em's creative mind being in on the project.

Gervais could soak up whatever creativity from Em and pull more out of him and reproduce that structurally into how it needs to be presented. And they could tweak it together.

As for your opinion on Gervais, I can't belive you don't consider Extras a classic programme. Fantastically layered comedy about relationships disguised as a slant on fame. Whilst at the same time, being that too, the writing on it is sublime. He's had two classic sitcoms IMO and three classic stand-ups. Science is a pile of shit and by far not a good one. But Animals, Poliltics and Fame are all brilliant.

He also basically single-handidly invented podcasting and did five solid series of those, which are some of the most hilarious conversations ever recorded. As for his movie work, he did Ghost Town in 2008, after turning down films for half a decade. Until settling on that as it was close to this heart / personality, to which he also had re-writing duties on, to shape it to him. Hardly popping up, it's a decent film. As for The Invention of Lying, I agree that is a pile of shit. The comedy is great when it's right and cringing when it's wrong but most of all, the drama / romance element he tried to work in just totally failed and ruined the filmed.

Can't speak on Cemetary Junction yet as haven't seen it. But his podcasts have now been made into hilarious animations for HBO and he's currently working on a new sitcom for BBC and HBO. Not to mention a Flanimals movie, being worked on with the producers of The Simpsons movie. Regardless of what you think of his quality output now, that's hardly washed up.

[luquew]

RICKY GERVAIS and EMINEM are my obsessions!

[RealSickLindley]

All i'm saying is that it doesn't always work. I've worked with people that you see around and you're like 'Man, that guys so funny, he should write a sitcom or something, it'd be hilarious', just because they're funny in class, or at work, or just generally quick minded themselves. However, get them in to the writing process, and it's mostly blank. Because their instinct is to make themselves look funny, a writers instinct is to make the scene and every character in it to play at part in making it funny, with no gaps at all or weakness'. So if Em hypothetically can only help with one character that he can relate with, then what's the point of helping Gervais out..

I said '1 Classic', that's the standard i said since you referred to him as the comedian on a generation. Extras was funny, just not on the level of the office, something nice on the CV.

I only call him washed up, because he had the opportunity to become a legend in England, now he's just the big headed one who wrote a classic series, then 'broke' america in a luke warm fashion. I'm disappointed in him as someone who has a couple of his shows on DVD.

[EminemBase]

@RealSickLindley - Yes but we're not talking the funny guy at work, we're talking Eminem.

Eminem's application of irony, wit, and all aspects of articulate comedy literature through his music is incredible. It's just not just quite good, it's incredible.

A mind like his, could easily be harnessed by a mind like Gervais'.

[EminemBase]

^ Yes that film was bad. But he hasn't had a real project since that, the test is the next sitcom.

As for saying he single-handidly invented podcasts, I don't mean he literally invented the format, but he was certainly (along with Merchant / Pilkington) one of the first BIG podcasts. I meant to say popularized. Nothing funny about that, it's true.

[EminemBase]

^ Yes, it's a sitcom that will be like a cross between Curb Your Enthusiasm and One Foot in the Grave. Will be realistic, about a dwarf actor who is arrogant and self-righteous. Has a small man complex.

Called Life's Too Short.

What's exciting about it is, Gervais said him and Merchant just went for 'all funny' this time. With The Office and Extras you had weighty tones and drama that was intentionally overbearing on the humour at all times. And sometimes I just thought "I wish they'd just do comedy and see how far they can go".

Which is exactly what they're doing now. Can't wait.

And yes the last good thing he did was that but so what, was less than three years ago. Considering what he's achieved in a decade, it's pretty outstanding. Two of the funniest sitcoms of all time, the first of which being a true comedy masterpiece and introducing absolute realism unseen in comedy at the time into television. Then three brilliant stand-up tours.

A lot of comedians do one or two tours period. He did three in the first five years of his notoriety. And the first two are pure comedy genius. With Fame being hilarious but perhaps not upto their scratch in some respects. I've yet to come across a solo artist who doesn't have dips at ANY POINT.

Sometimes artists get so good they have to dip to be able to stand back, observe the dip and climb back up. He's only human, what, do you expect perfect project after perfect project. Constantly. He's already created two of the best comedies of all time, within a few years of each other. Most sitcom creators create one maybe two in a lifetime and just live off their success until they quit. Gervais constantly keeps going.

Also don't forget he co-wrote, co-directed AND co-starred everything with The Office and Extras. Other comedians may write sporadic episodes, or just write or just direct or do a little of both then get a team in on the job. Gervais and Merchant did everything, ground up. So it's a lot harder, they start from scratch every single time. And considering they do that, the fact they're onto their third sitcom now with the first two already cemented as greatness is impressive.

He's had his downs but the man is still brilliant.