Recovery Vs. The Eminem Show

[BILI]

@Evan C and others.

In my opinion TES is the better album, but it COULD be debatable. The thing is MOST people on here are new Eminem who didn't listen to SSLP,MMLP and TES or even Encore when it actually came out. So what does that mean? That most people here are new to Hip Hop, so they just want look an album like older Eminem or Hip Hop fan will look like.

With younger people nowadays, it's all about how songs make them feel, the actual art and complexity is not as relevant to them. That's why I understand why so many people will put Recovery over The Eminem Show or MMLP, because it's his most Emotional album in my opinion.

Word,almost everything is debatable,but some people are too stupid or sad to realize that its all about the opinion ot taste

[GenePeer]

@Evan C and others.

In my opinion TES is the better album, but it COULD be debatable. The thing is MOST people on here are new Eminem who didn't listen to SSLP,MMLP and TES or even Encore when it actually came out. So what does that mean? That most people here are new to Hip Hop, so they just want look an album like older Eminem or Hip Hop fan will look like.

With younger people nowadays, it's all about how songs make them feel, the actual art and complexity is not as relevant to them. That's why I understand why so many people will put Recovery over The Eminem Show or MMLP, because it's his most Emotional album in my opinion.

Well, the "young" people don't understand opinions can be different and will start calling you a retard(a very lame insult i must say),etc for not having the same opinion

[MikeNUFC]

Christ, BILI is an idiot.

Not as big as you are thats for sure
Or all those Stans that thnig My Mom is a good song
Nobody who listens to rap would even cnosider it a good song

Thats why your an idiot. People who apprecite humour, flow and multi-syllabic rhyming should like this song.

I mean, your criticise people who like My Mom, and yet, you think, Not Afraid, one of the worst Eminem album tracks ever (Encore excluded), is better than it.

A song that contains the classic

"Fuck the world, feed it beans, its gassed up"

The brilliant

"Okay quit playin with the scissors and shit, and cut the crap"

The fantastic

"Cause I ain't playin around
It's a game called circle"

And lets not forget the best line ever

"haters can make like bees with no stingers
and drop dead"

Why is it that just cus Em makes a 'serious' song, rhyming and stuff just goes out the window?
"he may have terrible flow, metaphors and punchlines, but hey, it's okay, he's rapping about serious things! Techincal ability doesnt matter now!!"

On why Rvy is nowhere near his first 3 albums; you've got an album thats just shoving in WAYYYY to many punclines, a lot of which are sub par, some barely make sense. He seemed to concentrate way to much on fucking punchlines and metaphors and forget about some other aspects. Early eminem hardly ever used metaphors and looked more at multies, flow and delivery. Theres too much of that 'finish a line but the last word of the line onto the next bar' flow.

Recovery is a god album, no doubt, but I fail to see how it even touches any of his first 3 albums. I mean, you can enjoy it more, but in terms of rapping ability (Em is a rapper btw) I cant see a real solid case for it.

[BILI]

Christ, BILI is an idiot.

Not as big as you are thats for sure
Or all those Stans that thnig My Mom is a good song
Nobody who listens to rap would even cnosider it a good song

Thats why your an idiot. People who apprecite humour, flow and multi-syllabic rhyming should like this song.

Again,you tell me whats funny about that song besides of that whack accent,I always lol when I hear it tho ,maybe thats what you guys are talking about?No?

How can someone who thinks that Medicine Ball,Insane and Underground are dope even be hip-hop fan.They are ok at very best

And NA is better then My Mom,waaaaaay better,only that bridge is what fucks it up

[MikeNUFC]

Again,you tell me whats funny about that song besides of that whack accent,I always lol when I hear it tho ,maybe thats what you guys are talking about?No?

How can someone who thinks that Medicine Ball,Insane and Underground are dope even be hip-hop fan.They are ok at very best

And NA is better then My Mom,waaaaaay better,only that bridge is what fucks it up

I'm Bili and when I dont know how to respond I dont bother with explaining myself, I just post laughing or facepalm smileys, yo.

What do you mean, what do I find funny? Erm, the lyrics? The story behind the song? It's classic Slim Shady. Without the accent or if it was on Recovery all of you would be going "Thats Em at his best, fucking hilarious" and quoting your favourite lines. Just cus it's on Relapse which Em fans hate and it has an accent you dont find it funny. The kind of 'jokes' in the song are like the kind of old shady. That track is the one song since his comeback that really made me think "Classic Shady".

NA is better than My Mom? In what aspects? Give me some of examples of why it's better. Except "It's serious and more meaningful".
Your making points with zero logic behind them

[BILI]

Again,you tell me whats funny about that song besides of that whack accent,I always lol when I hear it tho ,maybe thats what you guys are talking about?No?

How can someone who thinks that Medicine Ball,Insane and Underground are dope even be hip-hop fan.They are ok at very best

And NA is better then My Mom,waaaaaay better,only that bridge is what fucks it up

I'm Bili and when I dont know how to respond I dont bother with explaining myself, I just post laughing or facepalm smileys, yo.

What do you mean, what do I find funny? Erm, the lyrics? The story behind the song? It's classic Slim Shady. Without the accent or if it was on Recovery all of you would be going "Thats Em at his best, fucking hilarious" and quoting your favourite lines. Just cus it's on Relapse which Em fans hate and it has an accent you dont find it funny. The kind of 'jokes' in the song are like the kind of old shady. That track is the one song since his comeback that really made me think "Classic Shady".

NA is better than My Mom? In what aspects? Give me some of examples of why it's better. Except "It's serious and more meaningful".
Your making points with zero logic behind them

Again I dont get it whats so funny about that song?You actually laugh when you listen to that song,or after you listen to that song,if so thats sad man.There`s nothing good about that song except for few dope rhymes.Hook is laughable(yes its sad funny),the bridge is even more lame.Some of the lyrics are corny,not funny,that song could be funny to a 10-15 year old.Are you that old?And thats not classic Shady,thats whack imitation of Shady.

NA has much bigger reply value,NA has better hook,lyrically its not better,but lyrics are way better imo(you cant even compare these 2 songs,you prolly dont write rap by yourself or you would know this,I can write some dope rhymes with awesome multies when its a fun rap,but when it comes to serious stuff,stuff from real life its way harder),that king bar is better then any on My Mom,it doesnt have the accent:So yeah I respect NA way more then My Mom.Only better thing on My Mom is beat.


PS:I`m not even saying that NA is good,its bad,but My Mom is worst,as is most of his songs on which he tries to bring Shady back.Shady died after MMLP and he should leave it like that

[MikeNUFC]

^you cant even compare these 2 songs,you prolly dont write rap by yourself or you would know this,I can write some dope rhymes with awesome multies when its a fun rap,but when it comes to serious stuff,stuff from real life its way harde

I don't rap, I dont really give a fuck to be honest.

Em wrote Deja Vu in 2009. A serious song, full of multies, fantastic rhyming and an orgasmic flow. So obviously if Em 2009 can rap well seriously, Em 2010 should be able to.

Dont give me that "It's serious so he has to tone down lyrically" - it's bullshit.

And I dont laugh out loud at My Mom - I never really do with music. Very, very occasionaly.

Without Me & The Real Slim Shady has childish humour. Em has a lot of childish humour in his early work. And he's always delivered it well. Delivers it well on My Mom as well.

I obviously can't prove it, but if My Mom was on SSLP, without the accent you lot what love it. I'm sure of it. Cus a lot of his early work was similar to that, esepcially on SSLP (I'm not saying My Mom is as good as songs from SSLP - it isnt) but it has a smiliar mould.


In a My Mom Vs Not Afraid argument and you say you dont like My Mom cus it has a lame bridge and corny lines. LOL Not Afraid has the worst bridge EVER and has more corn than a fucking corn on the cob.

[BILI]

Is all that a fact you posted?How do you know that I even like SSLP

And its not bullshit that what I said about serious stuff.Its harder to write but since you dont write I know you cant no that,so I wont argue with you.Deja Vu is not that great either

Relapse sucks,actually 2003-2010 Eminem sucks.Word?

@Amadeo man can you get it?Its not funny to me,its all kinda childish,idk,I hate it you guys love.End of story,I wont argue wit any of you anymore.Ya all should stick with funny rap if you like it,I`ll stick with serious shit.

[Hiphopdane]

I'm actually surprised that you are capable of making posts longer than just one line. The reason why you are in my ignore filter is that you always just post stupid one liners or maybe even just a smiley. You're bringing nothing to the forum.

As a foreigner I'm aware that the english language is not that easy but I'm not too sure that's a valid excuse for what you're doing 90 % of the time on this forum. I don't know how old you are but I have experienced people on other message boards who only post cus they think people will hold them in high esteem if they have 10k posts or something that ridiculous. I suspect you of being that type of person

Yes, I agree. Not afraid is lyrically superior but the lyrics are better in My mom........

[MikeNUFC]

Is all that a fact you posted?How do you know that I even like SSLP

And its not bullshit that what I said about serious stuff.Its harder to write but since you dont write I know you cant no that,so I wont argue with you.Deja Vu is not that great either

Relapse sucks,actually 2003-2010 Eminem sucks.Word?

@Amadeo man can you get it?Its not funny to me,its all kinda childish,idk,I hate it you guys love.End of story,I wont argue wit any of you anymore.Ya all should stick with funny rap if you like it,I`ll stick with serious shit.

Yes we know it's opinion. You're just now very good at arguing your case and rely on fucking smileys to get out of it.

[BILI]

I'm actually surprised that you are capable of making posts longer than just one line. The reason why you are in my ignore filter is that you always just post stupid one liners or maybe even just a smiley. You're bringing nothing to the forum.

As a foreigner I'm aware that the english language is not that easy but I'm not too sure that's a valid excuse for what you're doing 90 % of the time on this forum. I don't know how old you are but I have experienced people on other message boards who only post cus they think people will hold them in high esteem if they have 10k posts or something that ridiculous. I suspect you of being that type of person

Yes, I agree. Not afraid is lyrically superior but the lyrics are better in My mom........

lol,most of the people post one liners on this forum.I dont come here to debate or anything.I came here when I`m bored,when I have nothing to do.Its all fun and yes I troll for the most of the time with one liners just to piss people off.And you`re wrong about the posts thing.I could care less about them.Most of my posts are in backstage anyways.Plus as you said English is not my language and I dont think its fun to post long as posts on some forum thats not Croatian.You want me to post long posts on my language and then you can translate them in Google Translator?


PS@Mike I dont get what you mean to be honest

[Hiphopdane]

lol,most of the people post one liners on this forum.

It's ok then. Poor excuse.

I dont come here to debate or anything.

Go jerk off to some porn then. At least that's funnier than just posting facepalm-smileys or typing "dope" whenever possible.

Its all fun and yes I troll for the most of the time with one liners just to piss people off.And you`re wrong about the posts thing.I could care less about them.Most of my posts are in backstage anyways.

I don't talk about your backstage posts. And why the fuck do you find it funny to piss internet people off?

Plus as you said English is not my language and I dont think its fun to post long as posts on some forum thats not Croatian.You want me to post long posts on my language and then you can translate them in Google Translator?

Yes do that. I post a lot of danish shit then just to piss people off cus that's so funny to troll and see what a guy in England, USA, Sweden etc. are going to respond.

[Robbie G]

The Eminem show shits on Recovery. Thats not a bad statement about Recovery btw thats a testemant to how trully fucking amazing TES is.

This.

I also think My Mom is a little better than Not Afraid. The only thing really bringing it down is the repetitive subject matter of his mommy issues.

[da r star]

you prolly dont write rap by yourself or you would know this,I can write some dope rhymes with awesome multies when its a fun rap,but when it comes to serious stuff,stuff from real life its way harder

THAT'S THE THING we're trying to say, The Eminem show is THIS, serious stuff with dope rhymes and multies. He did it on White America, COMC, Say Good Bye, Sing for the moment, Hailie song (last verse) and on Relapse with Deja Vu.........

SO WHY HE ISN'T DOING IT ANYMORE?

Because dope rhymes and mutlies is not the cool thing, now it's all about metaphors and corny punchlines. That's why Lil Wayne got on top and that's what make Drake so big. Although they both have good punchlines from time to time but they also have their share of corny ones.

Put yourself in Em shoes, while he was down he say these guys become big, so it's only natural for him to try to do the same thing.

[Hiphopdane]

One of the things that makes TES the better album is not only the lyrical content and such stuff but also that Em was in a crazy progress back then. He did crazy and unexpected things on the first three albums.

Musically they were also very different. SSLP was quite cartoonish, MMLP very dark and TES was influenced by rock music (mainly because of the drums).

Nowadays the shock value is almost gone cus we're used to a white rapper saying things that you normally don't hear anybody say as a mainstream artist.