Will Relapse be remembered as a classic album?

[classthe_king]

Liar & A Thief > Relapse

But Slim Shady LP > Liar & A Thief

As an album yes, in terms of multis, no.


An no Relapse will not be remembered as a classic album. It probably won't even be remembered at all. In 10 years no one will listen to it and it will be completely forgotten in Em's catalog. Such as Street's Disciple or The Dynasty: Roc La Familia.

That album has one of the best intro's of all time imo, some absolute gems on there, but I agree Relapse will most fade into obscurity - aside from Eminem fans I doubt anybody still listens it, I haven't spun it since last June

I haven't listened to it since last summer either. And yeah, I was just naming albums that I usually forget when I'm listing the catalogs of rappers.

[SajN]

Depends what you mean with "remembered as a classic album". For who? The Eminem fans? Hip-Hop fans (Yes, I know, Eminem is hip-hop, you know what I mean)? Or just general?

I doubt it will be remembered as classic for the last two options.
Some Eminem fans look at it as classic, some does not. I do not, because I havent played it since Refill or something, only few songs. I dislike many of them.

[macdaddy019967]

Depends what you mean with "remembered as a classic album". For who? The Eminem fans? Hip-Hop fans (Yes, I know, Eminem is hip-hop, you know what I mean)? Or just general?

I doubt it will be remembered as classic for the last two options.
Some Eminem fans look at it as classic, some does not. I do not, because I havent played it since Refill or something, only few songs. I dislike many of them.

ur opinion is not valid

and yes it will be a classic

[SajN]

Depends what you mean with "remembered as a classic album". For who? The Eminem fans? Hip-Hop fans (Yes, I know, Eminem is hip-hop, you know what I mean)? Or just general?

I doubt it will be remembered as classic for the last two options.
Some Eminem fans look at it as classic, some does not. I do not, because I havent played it since Refill or something, only few songs. I dislike many of them.

ur opinion is not valid

and yes it will be a classic

Ok.

[classthe_king]

Liar & A Thief > Relapse

But Slim Shady LP > Liar & A Thief

As an album yes, in terms of multis, no.

While he is undoubtedly dope, Diabolic tends to let the multi rhyme pattern control the words... he goes in the direction the multis take him rather than saying what he wants to say. There was much less of that obvious lyricism on SSLP.

Diabolic also tends to spit too many multis for one particular rhyme pattern. He exhausts it. Take one example in "Sideshow":

greater days/take the stage/play charades/razorblades/gay parade/eight grenades...

And it goes on and on. Too long, to the point he says things like "pissing on my neighbor's grave." It's like he just listed every single thing that rhymed and then slapped them together. The lyrics on Slim Shady LP have more humor, purpose and are better executed. Diabolic also forgot tailor-made.

Another problem with Diabolic's lyricism: his rhymes can often be too imprecise. There's a certain poetic license when it comes to rhyming, but Diabolic would accept "take the stage" as a legitimate rhyme with "greater days." He might even take "safe to say" or "fade to grey."

Earlier Eminem wouldn't let that fly. He was far more precise with his syllables. Earlier Eminem would, for example, would only let "break the cage" rhyme with "take the stage."

Let's not forget SSLP has way more concepts than Liar & A Thief, and is just a much more interesting album in general. It's got way more personality.

That rarely happens though. Slideshow isn't even on the album. Diabolic may let the multi's control him but most of the time he still says great things with it. Behind Bars is right up there with Rock Bottom. And don't say eminem doesn't let multi's control him sometimes.

You thought I was livid, now I'm even more so
Shit I got full blown AIDS and a sore throat
I got a wardrobe with an orange robe

Every single bar Diabolic spits is filled with multis. Like I said, SSLP is a better album but when it comes to multi's Diabolic > Eminem.

[bennibus]

I love Relapse. I never hated on it. I did question why he used the accent so much. I grew to like it though. Tracks like SS&D, Buffalo Bill, SWA, Insane, Bagpipes, Underground and Hello are all great. I love the album, and without it, we wouldn't have gotten Recovery.

agreed with everything. i think twhen you look at the album, i think it shows that he went through some stuff. People should try and be thankful for Relapse, 'cause like you said, it's not like we would've gotten Recovery without it.

[Pllumi]

@ eminembase, yeah I know what you mean , but considering relapse has a lot of skippables ( I'm not judging it from my own opinion, I'm judging it as the general opinion, as the reactions of the most), relapse can't be a classic, well maybe like you said, after 10 years, lol, but I don't know, I'm thinking relapse will be faded away, will not be remembered in the future as not saying it's a classic but a "great" album, cause of its dreadful cab song, we'll see what happens in the future

[classthe_king]

That rarely happens though. Slideshow isn't even on the album. Diabolic may let the multi's control him but most of the time he still says great things with it. Behind Bars is right up there with Rock Bottom. And don't say eminem doesn't let multi's control him sometimes.

You thought I was livid, now I'm even more so
Shit I got full blown AIDS and a sore throat
I got a wardrobe with an orange robe

Every single bar Diabolic spits is filled with multis. Like I said, SSLP is a better album but when it comes to multi's Diabolic > Eminem.

I don't really know how you've come to that conclusion, though. Because Diabolic does work more multis into his lines than Eminem does (although SSLP is chock full of them). Does this mean he is "better" at multis? they're less effective than SSLP-Eminem's generally.

I cited Sideshow as an example of Diabolic exhausting multis. I cite Stay Wide Awake and Renegade as examples of Eminem doing it. None of these songs are on the albums we're talking about. Although I think many pre-Liar& A Thief stuff from Diabolic is better than the album itself.

Those Eminem lines you quoted... you left out the last line, which was the funny punch line. And those multis go for, what, 4 lines? Compare this with a Diabolic verse, where he will continue to exhaust the multi: torso, door closed, torch globe, talk show, walk slow, Morse code.

So while Eminem would write those 4 lines and continue on to the next rhyme scheme, Diabolic would continue milking it. That's really the difference separating the two very very talented lyricists.

While "Liar & A Thief" is a great song, Eminem is clearly the better songwriter as well. Nothing on bolic's album comes close to Rock Bottom or '97 Bonnie & Clyde.

I've had a really shitty day and am focusing on other things so excuse me for my thoughts not being well organized. It's hard to get out what I'm thinking. I think Diabolic putting more effort into the multi's and "milking" it is what makes them better. I don't think Em's multis are that more effective at all.
While you might say this is him milking the multis I think it's only making the multis better:

I peep the blue-print of your music, every bar and measure,
Plantin’ demo charges to tear apart the architecture,
My squad march together through the Arctic weather,
And the hardest sector, and left a marked forever like a Scarlet letter,
Scar a veteran for medallin’ in our endeavours,
So enjoy gettin’ tar and feathered while your arms are severed,

And I already said Behind Bars is on par with Rock Bottom and 12 Shots is better then 97 Bonnie & Clyde IMO.

[electroencephalogram]

it's a classic to me

[classthe_king]

12 Shots isn't as creative as Bonnie & Clyde.

It's just as good though

[classthe_king]

Diabolic should stop hanging out with Immortal Technique. Technique's retarded conspiracy theories are rubbing off on him.

The Truth Pt. 2 is an amazing song too

[LilWayne4Life]

NO

[BILI]

I doubt it will

[DƎRDYPK]

This Is The Frontline
This Is The Dead Zone
Barley Alive or In A Box Is How You Head Home
This Is The Frontline
This Is The Life That I Chose
I Thought I Told You Mothafuckas to lock n Load


as for the subject

NO

[classthe_king]

They say the success of my music was theoretic, but my revenge was sweet enough to murder diabetics.