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PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Lilyrussell » Jul 20th, '10, 07:09

lol! Check this out - From Psychology Today - This is especially for my pal "RealSickLindley"

lets get this straight.. Em is creative.. But stupid as shit..

He's admitted that the only book he read as a kid, was the dictionary over and over again to find words that rhymed. So he has great vocab, and is creative, but don't give him extra dues lol


It's hard to say one posesses the type and amount of high level creative "Intellegence" described here and say the guy is stupid.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ree ... nd-relapse

Eminem: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery” and ‘Relapse”

Eminem is back from the dead. After ending a long professional silence with a barely heard thump - last year's "Relapse" - Eminem has thundered back onto the scene of mainstream hip-hop with "Recovery." Once again, Eminem is ruling music charts, monopolizing radio waves, and raking in millions with hit-singles and highly publicized tours.

Why?

As it turns out the name says it all - "Recovery" versus "Relapse." Let that marinate. We'll come back to it.

Let's back up. Eminem has always had strong musical talents. His lyrics are witty and suggest cognitive strengths with verbal expression and comprehension. His word play is sophisticated and humorous suggesting high levels of creative intelligence. The strong beats of his songs are due to strong industry partnerships (i.e. rap staple Dr. Dre), which point to equally strong social intelligence. All of these abilities round-out a generally elite musical presence.
And yet his musical career has fluctuated. His recent hiatus and the underwhelming "Relapse" proved head-scratching, especially in light of "Recovery's" boomeranging success. His musical talents have never wavered. He's always been the same, musically speaking. So, what's with the fluctuation? I believe the underlying explanatory factor is something within him that actually does fluctuate - his mental health.

The Mental Health Yo-Yo

Eminem has long battled internal demons. Raised as an only child by an impoverished mother, within a broken household (paternal abandonment), his early life was one big tumultuous experience. Nomadic home life, the successful suicide of a close Uncle and failing grades propelled Eminem toward becoming a disconnected, embittered high school drop-out.

As with many people, early external chaos can become internalized. In his adult life, he's been addicted to a pharmacy of drugs, and he's struggled with depression and anger. Such internal chaos tends to initiate vicious cycles of dysfunction. Predictably, Eminem's later life has been littered with conflict and controversy. He's married his high school sweetheart, Kim, twice. She's attempted suicide. They've divorced. He's been jailed for assault. Hell, he's been sued by his mother. That last one should say it all.

His life is a narrative of chaos continued. And the maladaptive mental processes fostered by his experiences and personality traits have been reflected in his music.
A prime example are the patterned misogyny and homophobia exhibited in his lyrics. I know what you're thinking - what rap song doesn't exhibit such qualities? It's become almost a pre-requisite for rap songs. As a counter-point I would simply suggest that communal complicity doesn't make something healthy and, furthermore, Eminem's relationship to these unhealthy processes seems more personal than most. One senses that Eminem is not "performing" as much as he's "getting it out."

And, the examples of misogyny and homophobia are really best discussed and understood in the context of mental health and illness - and should not be confused as issues pertaining to freedom of speech, personal opinion or political stance. Eminem, as far as I know, never suffered significant and negative experiences with homosexuals (i.e. assault). So, what he's doing is channeling a ton of effort in order to exude intense vitriol toward a group of minorities with whom he's never really engaged. This sort of action is the result of disintegrated parts of self and immature defenses. Meaning, what explains all the effort and emotion that Eminem pours into his unprovoked attack on people who have done nothing to him are issues he has with himself. Unresolved sexual feelings and discomfort with his sense of self are things that continue to operate below his awareness as he denies and displaces.

So, that's the mentally unhealthy Eminem. And sometimes, as with "Relapse," this part of the famed rapper wins out. Mental illness overwhelms, the result of which are all of its unattractive and unappealing features - passivity, unregulated negative emotions, dishonest self-presentation, and interpersonal conflicts. This is the Eminem that grows defensive and embittered, whines about archaic slights, spills anger without a clear, coherent target, and aimlessly reflects on a now-stagnant life story.

We sense this and we are turned off.

But there's a mentally healthy Eminem. This Eminem is alive and kicking, occasionally winning a round or two in his eternal and internal boxing match. This Eminem, I would argue, is what keeps him separated from so many other successful but fleeting artists of our time. This healthy Eminem has buffered him from the paralyzing dysfunction of his problematic predispositions and upbringing, constantly fed a loyal following, and kept him attached to the limelight.

Let us not forget that Eminem is an artist who has raked in Grammy's and Academy Awards. He's gone triple platinum (that sounds pretty impressive), and in 2001 his Marshall Mathers LP broke records for the fastest selling album and single of all-time.

I would link his success to his sporadically prominent mental health. He may express homophobic ideas but he has also done things like "the hug heard around the world," when he embraced Elton John at the 2001 Grammy Awards. He has exhibited a concern for a better world, as with his anti-war track "Mosh." And, many of his songs demonstrate healthy values in-line with being a good father and loyal friend. Indeed, "Recovery" represents a recovery of mental health in which a generally active, thoughtful and confident stance permeates most of his songs. Here, Eminem is taking ownership over his life. He accurately reflects on personality flaws (an inconsistent father figure), confesses professional hiccups (insults his previous album), and describes an orientation toward others and his life that is characterized by renewed vigor and honesty. In short, his introspection is insightful, and the world he is reconstructing for himself (for others to see and model) hints at a healthier lifestyle.

We like this music because it can, in a sneaky, circuitous sort of way, reflect an inspired and intelligent approach to life that, in turn, breeds the happiness, success and well-being we all seek. As a result, Eminem has become an individual whose success has defied expectation. He should not be nearly as successful as he has been, as he's had to fight through traumatic experiences and pathological tendencies to succeed within a profession that renders him low man on the totem pole of power.

In my opinion, Eminem harbors a mesmerizing internal life in which extreme gifts of mental health constantly spar with equally profound elements of mental illness. Within his songs we subconsciously watch and wait. We root for his healthy side to win out against a formidable foe. The dizzying back and forth has maintained his popularity and albums like "Recovery" represent the most recent round of psychological fighting, in this case, a mean right hook that has dropped the psychological villain to his knees.
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SO Imma fuck til I die, yeah Imma do it to death
And instead of mourning your death, I’d rather celebrate your life
Elevate to new heights, step on the gas and accelerate, Imma need two mics -
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby iain08 » Jul 20th, '10, 07:15

Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby iain08 » Jul 20th, '10, 07:24

Amadeo wrote:
iain08 wrote:Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.

It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.

aha yeah, but some of these words sound too thesaurus-like for a college kid.

"His life is a narrative of chaos continued. And the maladaptive mental processes fostered by his experiences and personality traits have been reflected in his music. A prime example are the patterned misogyny and homophobia exhibited in his lyrics."

Eminembase in a nutshell. he's gonna come in here and quote me and say 'yawn'. hate that guy.
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Alaine » Jul 20th, '10, 07:45

well I think it's obvious that he does have some issues though
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby iain08 » Jul 20th, '10, 07:48

Alaine wrote:well I think it's obvious that he does have some issues though

actual issues or just a strange guy?
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Alaine » Jul 20th, '10, 07:58

iain08 wrote:
Alaine wrote:well I think it's obvious that he does have some issues though

actual issues or just a strange guy?

actual issuses, like his hate towards women is from the previous experiences with his mom, his ex-wife..
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby electroencephalogram » Jul 20th, '10, 11:18

I think Anthony Hopkins has mental issues too. :whistle:
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby GenePeer » Jul 20th, '10, 12:10

Amadeo wrote:It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.

this. I stopped reading at that point...
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Lilyrussell » Jul 20th, '10, 18:27

iain08 wrote:
Amadeo wrote:
iain08 wrote:Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.

It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.

aha yeah, but some of these words sound too thesaurus-like for a college kid.

"His life is a narrative of chaos continued. And the maladaptive mental processes fostered by his experiences and personality traits have been reflected in his music. A prime example are the patterned misogyny and homophobia exhibited in his lyrics."

Eminembase in a nutshell. he's gonna come in here and quote me and say 'yawn'. hate that guy.


Um, I don't think they'd let EminemBase write for Psychology Today, unless he's practicing or studying in the field. If ya follow the link there is a pic of the Author he's a tad bit better looking than EminemBase. :laughing:

"Jeremy Clyman, M.A., is pursuing his doctorate in clinical psychology at Yeshiva University."
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SO Imma fuck til I die, yeah Imma do it to death
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Elevate to new heights, step on the gas and accelerate, Imma need two mics -
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Postby xRas » Jul 20th, '10, 18:58

RealSlick is mine, Fuck off.
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Lilyrussell » Jul 20th, '10, 19:24

Amadeo wrote:
iain08 wrote:Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.

It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.


Yeah I agree I think the Author should've left the gay thing out, people are free to choose what they want to believe, and I don't think that has anything to do with his mental stability if it does over-whelming majority of American's are mentally unstable. I do think Em was using his feelings and belief's about homo's to some extent though. It's kinda like what he said last year, when he's shady he uses a personal experience, belief, or thought and blows it way out of proportions til it no longer resemble reality. Think about the place and time he grew-up. Black people in America are very religious. The churches in their communities are their strength, & hope, and it's the only place they've truly been able to depend on for help. Homosexuality is still wrong, and over-overwhelmingly shunned in the black community. (in the Hispanic community as well) Prop 8 in CA failed, because of an increase in turn out in those two demographics during the presidential election. And When and where Em was growin up you could be beaten with a baseball bat if people learned you were a homo.. You can't grow-up in that environment, with that influence, and not come away feelin the same way. Did he learn to live and let live? likely Yes. He's a freedom lovin guy. But does he still feel it's wrong? Like the majority in America, he likely does..

And the women part I agree with him that Em is venting also. You can't grow up with a mom like his, AND have the experiences with really horrible manipulative women through adult hood, like Em has, and not have your thinking and emotions about them effected.
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SO Imma fuck til I die, yeah Imma do it to death
And instead of mourning your death, I’d rather celebrate your life
Elevate to new heights, step on the gas and accelerate, Imma need two mics -
R.I.P. Proof

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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Jul 21st, '10, 01:29

iain08 wrote:
Amadeo wrote:
iain08 wrote:Lol, it sounds like that whole thing was written by eminembase. a bunch of fancy words strung together while overly complimenting his use of the english language.

It sounds like a typical college student's essay. lol @ the author thinking Eminem's anti-gay lyrics (which are non-serious) are a sign of being mentally unhealthy.

aha yeah, but some of these words sound too thesaurus-like for a college kid.

"His life is a narrative of chaos continued. And the maladaptive mental processes fostered by his experiences and personality traits have been reflected in his music. A prime example are the patterned misogyny and homophobia exhibited in his lyrics."

Eminembase in a nutshell. he's gonna come in here and quote me and say 'yawn'. hate that guy.


For someone who hates EminemBase so much, you sure do talk about him a lot. No matter what, you always come up and say "now EminemBase" this or "sounds like EminemBase". He hasn't even said shit to you and you just go off and say that. Obsessed much?
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby flyingmonkey10 » Jul 21st, '10, 01:39

cool read :y:
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby Throwback24 » Jul 21st, '10, 01:43

I didn't realize EminemBase was so popular... he's mentioned in every thread.
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Re: PT Article!: Mental Health Underlies His Musical “Recovery”

Postby RealSickLindley » Jul 21st, '10, 01:59

Just seen this.

The guy can't speak correct english half the time yet can draw concepts well from his own experiences and thoughts. Which shows that he was brought up with a good vocab in a limited context (dictionary) and strived to creatively impress (battle scene), but obviously couldn't hack anything as structured as school.

I stand by what i said, but cool article bro :y:
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