When was the change from Old School to New School?

[mcZu]

I've looked it up, g-funk was the start of new school. Which means that rappers such as Pac and BIG are new school rappers, LL Cool J, Run DMC, are also new school rappers. KRS-One is also a new school rapper. Every rapper that started to rap in the early 90's is a new school rapper. West Coast music, such as Gangsta rap is also new school rap.

krs and cool j late 80s?

KRS's first solo album was in 1993, Return Of The Boom Bap.

And LL Cool J is on the verge of being a new school rapper, mainly due to being associated with relaxed sounds in the beats he used. Relaxed and g-funk sounds are the sounds that marked the start of the New School.

[classthe_king]

I've looked it up, g-funk was the start of new school. Which means that rappers such as Pac and BIG are new school rappers, LL Cool J, Run DMC, are also new school rappers. KRS-One is also a new school rapper. Every rapper that started to rap in the early 90's is a new school rapper. West Coast music, such as Gangsta rap is also new school rap.

krs and cool j late 80s?

KRS's first solo album was in 1993, Return Of The Boom Bap.

And LL Cool J is on the verge of being a new school rapper, mainly due to being associated with relaxed sounds in the beats he used. Relaxed and g-funk sounds are the sounds that marked the start of the New School.

So rappers now a days are the newer school

[KillahBee]

I've looked it up, g-funk was the start of new school. Which means that rappers such as Pac and BIG are new school rappers, LL Cool J, Run DMC, are also new school rappers. KRS-One is also a new school rapper. Every rapper that started to rap in the early 90's is a new school rapper. West Coast music, such as Gangsta rap is also new school rap.

krs and cool j late 80s?

KRS's first solo album was in 1993, Return Of The Boom Bap.

And LL Cool J is on the verge of being a new school rapper, mainly due to being associated with relaxed sounds in the beats he used. Relaxed and g-funk sounds are the sounds that marked the start of the New School.

KRS One was the rapper in Boogie Down Productions, they released their first album in 1987, so KRS is definitely Old School
LL Cool J released his first (and Def Jams first album) in 1985, he's definitely Old School too
2pac released his first album in 1991, so if The Chronic started the "New School" trend, he's also an Old School rapper
Honestly, to my mind "new school" rap didnt start until Diddy came into the game, compare hiphop before Life After Death dropped to after it dropped - it becoame mainstream, even Nas tried going commercial with Diddy

[mcZu]

krs and cool j late 80s?

KRS's first solo album was in 1993, Return Of The Boom Bap.

And LL Cool J is on the verge of being a new school rapper, mainly due to being associated with relaxed sounds in the beats he used. Relaxed and g-funk sounds are the sounds that marked the start of the New School.

KRS One was the rapper in Boogie Down Productions, they released their first album in 1987, so KRS is definitely Old School
LL Cool J released his first (and Def Jams first album) in 1985, he's definitely Old School too
2pac released his first album in 1991, so if The Chronic started the "New School" trend, he's also an Old School rapper
Honestly, to my mind "new school" rap didnt start until Diddy came into the game, compare hiphop before Life After Death dropped to after it dropped - it becoame mainstream, even Nas tried going commercial with Diddy

Still, KRS embraced the g-funk sound in his solo album. Which means he's new school. So did LL Cool J. And Tupac as well. He had the whole west side gangster theme going on, which falls under New School sounds.

[KillahBee]

KRS's first solo album was in 1993, Return Of The Boom Bap.

And LL Cool J is on the verge of being a new school rapper, mainly due to being associated with relaxed sounds in the beats he used. Relaxed and g-funk sounds are the sounds that marked the start of the New School.

KRS One was the rapper in Boogie Down Productions, they released their first album in 1987, so KRS is definitely Old School
LL Cool J released his first (and Def Jams first album) in 1985, he's definitely Old School too
2pac released his first album in 1991, so if The Chronic started the "New School" trend, he's also an Old School rapper
Honestly, to my mind "new school" rap didnt start until Diddy came into the game, compare hiphop before Life After Death dropped to after it dropped - it becoame mainstream, even Nas tried going commercial with Diddy

Still, KRS embraced the g-funk sound in his solo album. Which means he's new school. So did LL Cool J. And Tupac as well. He had the whole west side gangster theme going on, which falls under New School sounds.

But KRS was part of his first album 5 years before The Chronic dropped, LL released his first album 7 years before The Chronic, and I'd hardly call 2pac's style "gangsta" in 1991, he was political back then, plus KRS One's solo is called Return Of The Boom Bap - no G-Funk production was incorporated on there, that album has a straught up East Coast sound

My point is, if the chronic started the new school trend, how are these guys new school emcees when they where out years before the chronic? If thats the case then theres no such thing as new school/old school, I mean Rakim didn't release his first solo album until 1997, I'd hardly call him a new school emcee

[mcZu]

KRS One was the rapper in Boogie Down Productions, they released their first album in 1987, so KRS is definitely Old School
LL Cool J released his first (and Def Jams first album) in 1985, he's definitely Old School too
2pac released his first album in 1991, so if The Chronic started the "New School" trend, he's also an Old School rapper
Honestly, to my mind "new school" rap didnt start until Diddy came into the game, compare hiphop before Life After Death dropped to after it dropped - it becoame mainstream, even Nas tried going commercial with Diddy

Still, KRS embraced the g-funk sound in his solo album. Which means he's new school. So did LL Cool J. And Tupac as well. He had the whole west side gangster theme going on, which falls under New School sounds.

But KRS was part of his first album 5 years before The Chronic dropped, LL released his first album 7 years before The Chronic, and I'd hardly call 2pac's style "gangsta" in 1991, he was political back then, plus KRS One's solo is called Return Of The Boom Bap - no G-Funk production was incorporated on there, that album has a straught up East Coast sound

My point is, if the chronic started the new school trend, how are these guys new school emcees when they where out years before the chronic? If thats the case then theres no such thing as new school/old school, I mean Rakim didn't release his first solo album until 1997, I'd hardly call him a new school emcee

I never claimed that the Chronic was the mark for the New School area.

And KRS even had the new school's most innovative producer (DJ Premier) to complement his own beats on KRS's solo debut. And, yes, I do classify Rakim as a new school rapper.

Every rapper that turned their back to the elaborate call-and-response delivery of simple rhymes and faced the direction of complex rhyme schemes and original metaphors, is the kind of rapper that I classify as being a new school rapper. That, together with the change in beats, is what I believe to be the mark of the new school area.

[KillahBee]

"I've looked it up, g-funk was the start of new school." Wasn't that pretty much when the Chronic dropped? I know DJ Quik was around in 1991, but The Chronic was the main breakthrough for the G-Funk sound

I also wouldn't call Primo a new school producer as he produced his first album in the late 80's which is very old school sounding but anyway....

Ok well I won't disagree with you, but if you don't consider Rakim Old School, what rappers do you consider Old School?

[mcZu]

The Sugarhill Gang, Beastie Boys, The Treacherous Three, Spoonie Gee, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, etc.. Are what I consider old school artists.

But like you said, it's what you consider as being the end of the old school and the begining of the new school. There are numerous ways of interpreting this, some people believe the old school ended around 1983 or 1984, right when Run DMC emerged.

[KillahBee]

I suppose when you compare Rakim with those type of rappers, well there isn't a comparsion, Rakim is miles more innovative and groundbreaking than those guys! Well except the Beastie Boys, they where way ahead of their time, but yeah Rakim was way more advanced on the mic than they where

I was just getting confused because I saw one of your earlier quotes that said G Funk marked the end of old school hip hop, so I assumed you'd class Rakim, KRS, LL, ect as Old School emcees because they where around years before that sound was introduced, as you said though, it is basically impossible to say when old school hip hop came to end, personally I say it ended with Diddy because of the commercialism and watered down lyrics that he influenced - which is what I consider new school hip hop

Edit: I came across this on wikipedia which basically lists all the Golden Age rap group/rappers, I'd class the majority of emcee that came after these as new school, but everybody listed as Old school

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

[mcZu]

Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me.

Old School rap was less lyrical than New School rap. New School rap is filled with watered down lyics, though. The Golden Era was more lyrical than Old School rap, and not as watered down as a lot of the New School rappers are.

So I would put the Golden Age of Hip Hop somewhere inbetween.

[KillahBee]

Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me.

Old School rap was less lyrical than New School rap. New School rap is filled with watered down lyics, though. The Golden Era was more lyrical than Old School rap, and not as watered down as a lot of the New School rappers are.

So I would put the Golden Age of Hip Hop somewhere inbetween.

I'd consider The Golden Age to be when rap started to advance in technique and sound, so yeah I'd agree with you that its somewhere in between Old school and New School

"Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me."

I'd agree with both cases, the Golden Age is when things started to change, and to me its also when hiphop was at its peak

Shit, you've changed my mind now actually!

[mcZu]

Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me.

Old School rap was less lyrical than New School rap. New School rap is filled with watered down lyics, though. The Golden Era was more lyrical than Old School rap, and not as watered down as a lot of the New School rappers are.

So I would put the Golden Age of Hip Hop somewhere inbetween.

I'd consider The Golden Age to be when rap started to advance in technique and sound, so yeah I'd agree with you that its somewhere in between Old school and New School

"Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me."

I'd agree with both cases, the Golden Age is when things started to change, and to me its also when hiphop was at its peak

Shit, you've changed my mind now actually!

Glad that we agree on that. Cheers. Haven't had a decent conversation about Hip Hop for a long time, so thank you.

[KillahBee]

Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me.

Old School rap was less lyrical than New School rap. New School rap is filled with watered down lyics, though. The Golden Era was more lyrical than Old School rap, and not as watered down as a lot of the New School rappers are.

So I would put the Golden Age of Hip Hop somewhere inbetween.

I'd consider The Golden Age to be when rap started to advance in technique and sound, so yeah I'd agree with you that its somewhere in between Old school and New School

"Wouldn't you agree on the Golden Era to be inbetween the Old School and the New School? Because it's either the period things started to change in Hip Hop, or the period where Hip Hop was at its peak to me."

I'd agree with both cases, the Golden Age is when things started to change, and to me its also when hiphop was at its peak

Shit, you've changed my mind now actually!

Glad that we agree on that. Cheers. Haven't had a decent conversation about Hip Hop for a long time, so thank you.

No problem man, I just wish I was right
Haha nah, it was a good discussion, I think we cleared this thread up!
Damn, my whole perspective of New school/old school hip hop changed in an hour, cheers!

[mcZu]

Your welcome. But who knows, maybe you're right after all. We can never determine the exact time period where the change in Hip Hop began.