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Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby RadicalMGuy » Aug 7th, '10, 00:25

The two albums are equal IMO.

My track by track comparison, doing it in order because I noticed that many of the tracks coincidentally are similar in this fashion:

Cold Wind Blows vs. 3 A.M.
The battle of the "kill people" songs. Cold Wind Blows is a solid track, but for lyrical play and originality, 3 A.M. beats it out. Plus the singing at the beginning of Cold Wind Blows nearly ruins the track for me;
Verdict: 3 A.M. (0-1)

Talkin To Myself vs. My Mom
Two self reflection songs. Talkin To Myself has superior subject matter/tone and a better hook, but My Mom has better rhymes and flow. Equal production.
Verdict: Tie (0-1)

On Fire vs. Insane
Ranting about his past and doing crazy things in both songs. Insane is a superior track in every way, IMO.
Verdict: Insane (0-2)

Wont Back Down vs. Bagpipes from Baghdad
The two experimental beat, punchline songs. Won't Back Down is terribly produced, with some terribly unfunny jokes. Bagpipes is not too much better, but its generally a better version of the same type of song.
Verdict: Bagpipes from Baghdad (0-3)

W.T.P. vs. Hello
The dancy/catchy sort of songs. White trash party wins here, hands down. Hello has some overly long lines and is not nearly as catchy, with a weak hook.
Verdict: W.T.P. (1-3)

Going Through Changes vs. Same Song and Dance
The first two songs without coincidences, except maybe the tone. Same Song and Dance is a more creative song, but emotionally and delivery wise, GTC kills.
Verdict: Going Through Changes (2-3)

Not Afraid vs. We Made You
Ah, the two first singles. Both are incredibly corny, with some unfunny and some funny jokes, some stupid lines and the radio-friendly happy beats. This one will be called a tie.
Verdict: Tie (2-3)

Seduction vs. Medicine Ball
Two directionless, nonsensical sex related songs. Seduction has very boring delivery, too slow at the start, and doesnt deliver enough rhymes, even by the end. Hook even suffers from this. Medicine Ball is far superior.
Verdict: Medicine Ball (2-4)

No Love vs. Stay Wide Awake
Two songs to show off lyrical power and great flow. Lyrically the songs are equal, but No Love kills with the beat, a great collaboration and excellent hook.
Verdict: No Love (3-4)

Space Bound vs. Old Times Sake
No coincidence in these two songs. Old Times Sake is fun to listen to, but Space Bound beats it with emotion and a great hook.
Verdict: Space Bound (4-4)

Must Be the Ganja vs. Cinderella Man
Drugs vs. metaphors for drugs. As far as I'm concerned, these songs are equally good.
Verdict: Tie (4-4)

25 to Life vs. Deja Vu
Both songs are extremely emotional, filled with great rhymes, flow and excellent beats. However, the hook, and some slightly better rhymes edge this one over to Deja Vu.
Verdict: Deja Vu (4-5)

So Bad vs. Beautiful
As much as I love to listen to So Bad, Beautiful is far superior.
Verdict: Beautiful (4-6)

Almost Famous vs. ________
Since Recovery has an extra track, and it makes sense for two collaborations to face off, I'm gonna call Almost Famous a winner by default, and a point for more content.
Verdict: Almost Famous (5-6)

Love the Way You Lie vs. Crack a Bottle
The two major collabs. LTWYL kills it. lol
Verdict: Love the Way You Lie (6-6)

You're Never Over vs. Underground
No competition here. Underground is the bomb.
Verdict: Underground (6-7)

Hidden Track (Untitled) vs. Hidden Skit (Ken Kaniff)
I'll make an exception to the skit rule here because theyre two hidden tracks. Untitled is a nice little easter egg, decent to listen a couple times. Ken Kaniff is plain creepy.
Verdict: Untitled (7-7)

The final score is 7-7, with three ties.

If you remove the fact that Almost Famous is a free point, and that Untitled vs. Ken Kaniff isn't really fair, Relapse wins, but thats not the point here.

The point is that Relapse is underrated and Recovery is overrated.

The comparison points to the fact that Relapse has a stronger Opening and Mid-End section, while Recovery has a superior Mid-Start and Ending.

Feel free to disagree, this is my opinion, and if you have a decent argument for why you disagree, go ahead and post it, I'm interested to see how other people will view this.
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Solace » Aug 7th, '10, 00:30

Okay.
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby buffalo bill » Aug 7th, '10, 00:33

RadicalMGuy wrote:The two albums are equal IMO.


I actually think Relapse is better, but reading through your post your reasoning is pretty similar to mine.

Especially now when you can put it in contrast to the more "normal" songs in Recovery, one can see how well he makes the Relapse concept work. Which is very impressive.

If Relapse is not better, I certainly LIKE it much better, purely as a matter of taste.

But both are great, and now I would probably rather have Recovery than Relapse 2.
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Berry » Aug 7th, '10, 00:35

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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby murphmanny » Aug 7th, '10, 00:35

we made you is not equal to not afraid

but to some extent, i do like relapse a lot. but i think recovery is a better album
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Sam. » Aug 7th, '10, 00:36

Solace wrote:Okay.

ur post killed it

*on topic*
i feel there is not more 2-3% relaspe influence on recovery. :unsure:
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Omar Khalid » Aug 7th, '10, 00:37

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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby buffalo bill » Aug 7th, '10, 00:38

murphmanny wrote:we made you is not equal to not afraid

Well, I've come to realize how much Not Afraid sucks, myself. :(

I went from "ehh" to "isn't it pretty good after all?" to " :n: :facepalm :shakehead:"
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Scrubz » Aug 7th, '10, 00:39

Cool story bro.

I agree that relapse is under rated but common, must be the ganja over 25 to life?? get real.
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Robbie G » Aug 7th, '10, 00:40

I actually disagree with you on almost every song. :sweating:

imo Talkin' to Myself is much better than My Mom and Your Never Over is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Underground.

Wasunt wrote:I agree that relapse is under rated but common, must be the ganja over 25 to life?? get real.
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby Elision » Aug 7th, '10, 00:41

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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby murphmanny » Aug 7th, '10, 00:43

buffalo bill wrote:Well, I've come to realize how much Not Afraid sucks, myself. :(

I went from "ehh" to "isn't it pretty good after all?" to " :n: :facepalm :shakehead:"


well, i definitely don't think it's one of the best on the album. but i don't think we made you is equal to it. i mean, ya he does have some corny metaphors in not afraid, but it has a different feel, which I think, makes it better than we made you. i do like both songs, as we made you is now getting more plays by me

i remember when i just used to bump not afraid, despicable, and eminem's verse of airplanes. but now that we have the cd :8)
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby buffalo bill » Aug 7th, '10, 00:44

Wasunt wrote:Cool story bro.

I agree that relapse is under rated but common, must be the ganja over 25 to life?? get real.


He didn't compare those two..

I never got into 25 to Life myself, but I admit the problem is probably with me rather than with the song.

However I think W.T.P. < Hello, Going Through Changes < Same Song and Dance, No Love < Stay Wide Awake
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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby MackBook » Aug 7th, '10, 00:47

buffalo bill wrote:However I think W.T.P. < Hello, Going Through Changes < Same Song and Dance, No Love < Stay Wide Awake


+1, although saying GTC < SS&D is kinda like saying Dear Mama < Hit Em Up lol

Ken Kanniff is just creepy though? I thought the skit after underground was hilarious

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Re: Recovery is no better than Relapse

Postby buffalo bill » Aug 7th, '10, 00:49

Yes they are not really the best songs to compare :) Plus they are both very, very good though so maybe a tie is fair, but SS&D is a gem
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