Comunism VS Capitalism Vol.1

[WestCoast_G]

well considering his idol was adolf hitler... wut do u expect?
hey he gave the ppl wut they were in need of... a leader
and he actually gave them wut he said he would... (land) it just came w/ a lot of other shit.. like an ass bunch of deaths

Umm.. Adolf Hitler didn't come out as an actual leader untill the end of Stalins power.. Infact Adolf Hitler was part of WWII Stalin was a bit after WWI and the Stock Market Crash during the Era of the Great Depression

[WestCoast_G]

During the Great Depression Hitler came about and blamed the jews ya da da da.. Fixed the economy once again made them feel better than they had since who knows when and then killed the economy and Germany.. Untill he commited suicide with his wife Ava Brown

[AspirinE]

All Stalin wanted was power.. I mean sure he did help the economy back up and everything but he did it by using Propaganda and Indoctrination to corrupt people minds with fear.. He didn't let people practice their own religion, they were prosecuted if they did, people were censored for individual creativity, he killed anyone who he tought was a threat to his new found power which he got because of the death of Lenin He started the Great Purge which basically the same thing where he terrorized people and killed thme.. He sent people to Gulags.. He killed his one police force if they didn't bring in enough "criminals"... In total he probably killed around 8-13 million people. The man was fucken insane

Thats wat uve been told.

Those were very hard times for russia and all, but Stalin aint forced anyone to take their land, it was direct result of war. Terrizing is a really bad word for it, there were deaths that were nessesary, after the first revolution it was was hard coz it was a MAJOR REVOLUTION, people are extremist.
U speak of these terrors like u have talked to people who lived during that time in USSR. Yes you couldnt have too jobs and talk shit about the goverment, it was the capitalists that suffered most, the rich class was devasted and their word was more disturbing, that the word US took advantage of. None of you ever mention how much good it did, and none of u could ever name an exact number of people that were executed for capitalist attempts. As soon as the cold war died down a lil we started to live happier than ever, the "standarts" went higher, more m^2 per person and food talons. None of u realize that because US brought down the union, u trashed our economy and people lived shittier than ever. I happen to remember Those days of poverty and misfortune. me and my mother starved for weeks at times.

Yes there are disadvantages at peak stages, but they are greatly exagerated by movie and media propoganda. USSR had never attacked other country by liying to them and their own country, and doing it for oil.

The deaths after second world war are merely casualties of the cold war - wich was started by US(an imperealistic nation simply could not handle the fact that it now had oposition). USSR stoped Americas world domination, now that USSR is no more- the "the new american cemtury" project can now.


Socialism must be perfected with time, and needs a true leader such as Stalin, only with just a little higher of an education, now that its possible. It will lead to a perfect regieme, of people who care about society and science let by people. Capitalism - leads you to being a slave to corparations.

It will also mean less war... its almost a futuristic concept. If there are aliens that are higher advanced then us, they will prolly live in an equal society that works for the sake of everybody, not just themselves.
but most of u arent openminded enough to except that perhaps media is always telling the truth, U should read a book about Socialism by a russin whos(who isnt against it ofcourse), and an american, ull see the difference.

[3721]

by what I'm encountered , socialism means nothing but TYRANNY and BURREAUCRICY.poaple here(in China) never get a chance to stand equilly with the government,
the government force poeple to call them parents.....
and they always talking some bullshit, they would spend lots of money buying themselves house,cars, instead of helping schoolless children.

what Carl Marx promise is just a emty check,

[AspirinE]

by what I'm encountered , socialism means nothing but TYRANNY and BURREAUCRICY.poaple here(in China) never get a chance to stand equilly with the government,
the government force poeple to call them parents.....
and they always talking some bullshit, they would spend lots of money buying themselves house,cars, instead of helping schoolless children.

what Carl Marx promise is just a emty check,

So youd rather take money from people in a lower social structure and drive a mercedes instead of a Honda.

[AspirinE]

Some ifo for u guys, concerning how overblown some events were.

Last night at 2200, History Channel broadcast a segment about Stalin with commentary from genocidal hag Madeleine Albright, treachourous Pollack-American imperialist Zbigniew Brzesinski, Yale freak and author of "Stalin's Last Crime" Jonathon Brent, Cold Warrior Robert Service, and even revisionist Khrushchev's son Sergei. As expected, the segment was rife with sensationalised gibberish trying to present that the 1930s as a period of endless executions and starvation without actually giving us realistic insight to the extent of all this. Anyway, here are the various blatant lies and distortions I came across:

- There was a false assertion that the Soviet Union aimed for world domination. It was accused of trying to play the West against themselves by making peace with both the Allies and Nazi Germany. However, Stalin never, never made peace with Germany; the Bolsheviks merely signed a pact of neutrality in which there was an agreement not to fight under any circumstance. It were the Allies trying to play Germany against USSR by yielding to the Germans' each and every territorial demand, guiding them eastwards for further territorial aims. After repeated manifestations of disloyalty most notoriously through the Munich Agreement, it would be difficult for the SU to trust the West in the future and they were correct in mistrusting them. The West wanted for Germany to destroy USSR as shown with the spitefully delayed opening of the Second Front in Europe. From the inception of the Bolshevik state, the West furnished troops and aid to counter-revolutionary forces with the purpose of destroying the socialist revolution. As shown with the Truman Doctrine, the Eisenhower Doctrine and the countless coups in the Third World, America was the sole country that aimed for world domination, not USSR. The doctrines from Truman and Eisenhower essentially stated, "We've got the right to intervene in the internal affairs of the Middle East."

The so-called "takeover of Eastern Europe" took place after America established a protectorate over western Europe with its subjagative Marshall Plan. The Marxist parties in eastern and western Europe alike during 1945-46 all gathered an extraordinarily high percentage of votes. It was only after the aforementioned Marshall Plan when coalitions throughout Eastern Europe were formed. In regard to the Soviet Union's blockade of Western-occupied Berlin, this was trigged by America's meddling in the internal affairs of the Greek people.

- There was a blatant lie of a famine "constructed" by Stalin for one reason or another. What they refuse to take into consideration is the disastrous weather that had contributed to significantly low harvests in 1931 and 1932. Horses fell to illness due to a shortage of fodder and were not kept isolated, contributing to a massive decline in plaughing availability which decreased the harvest even further. Between February and July 1932, no less than 35 decisions and decrees of the Politburo and Sovnarkom authorised allocations of grain for food. Thus, the Bolsheviks did not have the monstrous intententions that these pseudo-scholars would like us to believe.

- There was a false assertion that 2 million kulaks were sent to Siberia for "slave labour". First off, only about 97,000 housholds out of 381,000 were sent to Siberia. Overall, there were 128000 sent to the Urals, 50000 to Kazakhstan, 14000 to North Caucuses, 7000 to Leningrad, 6000 to Bashkiria, 4000 to Ukraine, 3000 to Central Volga, and 1500 to Novogorod. This doesn't represent the statement that "kulaks were exiled to Siberia", giving the connotation that they were faced with massively harsh conditions. A primary factor for the dekulakisation was undeveloped areas to be settled. These ex-kulaks engaged in work involviving timber and other areas. There was also a lie about how kulaks were "arbitrarily defined."; kulaks were those that hired impoverished peasants to work on kulak land.

- There was a false assertion that those sent to the GULAG were there for "trumped up charges" which doesn't even remotely correspond to the truth. The vast majority of the inhabitants of the GULAG had been convicted of non-political crimes. The GULAG was simply where criminal elements were sentenced. A commentator dubbed "GULAG survivor" misled the audience into thinking that the GULAG was designed for extermination. There is not anything uncommon about a GULAG "survivor"; in 1950, 1% of all inhabitants of the GULAG died.

- There was an overblown assertion in regard to the "Purge" that "40 million would die this way" which is a deranged lie if I've ever heard one. The NKVD's archives document executions of around 682,000 during 1937-1938.

- There was immense exaggeration regarding the fate of repatriated POWs. Declassified documents confirm that less than 10% of those returning were repressed. What is not taken into consideration is that there was a formiddable share of collaboration with the Axis by a portion of the repatriated.

- Stalin was smeared as an anti-Jew in a desperate attempt of trying to equate him to Hitler. Stalin may have been a vehement anti-Zionist due to the fascistic threat posed by Israel in the Middle East, but to suggest that he held some sort of animosity towards the Jewish people is fallacious. Some of his closest comrades such as Kaganovich were Jews. There was an utterly ridiculous allegation that Stalin tried to provoke the West into war by mistreating Jews!!

Of course, there was not any focus in to the massive expansion of education and health care, the liberation of women, infinite employment, the doubling of life expectancy from 1930-1956, the expansion of transportation, or even a slight glance at the overall 13% economic growth during the 1930s.

[AspirinE]

by what I'm encountered , socialism means nothing but TYRANNY and BURREAUCRICY.poaple here(in China) never get a chance to stand equilly with the government,
the government force poeple to call them parents.....
and they always talking some bullshit, they would spend lots of money buying themselves house,cars, instead of helping schoolless children.

what Carl Marx promise is just a emty check,

BTW, have you ever considered wat would happen if ur regieme fell?
It will definately solve any overpopulation problem u had, the social structure will devide, some swift thinkers and crooks willing to invest would greatly benifit and some would die from hunger, economy will take ages to repair.

This is not even about economy, its more about moral values. I for one am willing to embrase having to compromise my way of life, for the benifit of future generations, and people that starve coz of my carelessness.
Lets take germany in the Nazi days, although they were some nutcases that wanted a peice of europe, they had the most perfect regieme ever, it was based on socialism, and every one was happy with it.
Democrasy seems like heaven at first glance and prolly is for small countries. But it leaves a great chance of being affected by imperialism.
Western propoganda is very powerfull seeing as how they control the entertainment market. People have gotten their image of socialism from the movies they watch and the hatefull relation US & USSR had during the 40 years. This capitalistic structure Russia has now embrassed completely killed our social values and let the mobsters have control...

Its all about greed - people that have never seen a car that if which they had, would be a pussymagnet, would desperately crave for it- but they wouldnt if someone else wouldnt have it ( thats mainly the reason the goverment tried to stay away from comercialness ). But imagine, be openminded and imagine, that if everybody had equal rights and the same advantages (rather than being descriminated for ur social structure or wrse:color of skin)

I say people should think about racism that is caused by structural difference (classicism) and how many people it kills a year, the numbers of people that dont have homes and the numbers of wars led for corporations profit, before u can make a subjective judgement.

[ines]

none of them

[shady_soldierz]

oups ma bad wrong topic

[Prodeo]

All Stalin wanted was power.. I mean sure he did help the economy back up and everything but he did it by using Propaganda and Indoctrination to corrupt people minds with fear.. He didn't let people practice their own religion, they were prosecuted if they did, people were censored for individual creativity, he killed anyone who he tought was a threat to his new found power which he got because of the death of Lenin He started the Great Purge which basically the same thing where he terrorized people and killed thme.. He sent people to Gulags.. He killed his one police force if they didn't bring in enough "criminals"... In total he probably killed around 8-13 million people. The man was fucken insane

Thats wat uve been told.

Those were very hard times for russia and all, but Stalin aint forced anyone to take their land, it was direct result of war. Terrizing is a really bad word for it, there were deaths that were nessesary, after the first revolution it was was hard coz it was a MAJOR REVOLUTION, people are extremist.
U speak of these terrors like u have talked to people who lived during that time in USSR. Yes you couldnt have too jobs and talk shit about the goverment, it was the capitalists that suffered most, the rich class was devasted and their word was more disturbing, that the word US took advantage of. None of you ever mention how much good it did, and none of u could ever name an exact number of people that were executed for capitalist attempts. As soon as the cold war died down a lil we started to live happier than ever, the "standarts" went higher, more m^2 per person and food talons. None of u realize that because US brought down the union, u trashed our economy and people lived shittier than ever. I happen to remember Those days of poverty and misfortune. me and my mother starved for weeks at times.

Yes there are disadvantages at peak stages, but they are greatly exagerated by movie and media propoganda. USSR had never attacked other country by liying to them and their own country, and doing it for oil.

The deaths after second world war are merely casualties of the cold war - wich was started by US(an imperealistic nation simply could not handle the fact that it now had oposition). USSR stoped Americas world domination, now that USSR is no more- the "the new american cemtury" project can now.


Socialism must be perfected with time, and needs a true leader such as Stalin, only with just a little higher of an education, now that its possible. It will lead to a perfect regieme, of people who care about society and science let by people. Capitalism - leads you to being a slave to corparations.

It will also mean less war... its almost a futuristic concept. If there are aliens that are higher advanced then us, they will prolly live in an equal society that works for the sake of everybody, not just themselves.
but most of u arent openminded enough to except that perhaps media is always telling the truth, U should read a book about Socialism by a russin whos(who isnt against it ofcourse), and an american, ull see the difference.

i think you mean "media ISNT always telling the truth."

[hot_dogg]

quite simply, communism is something that works well ONLY if everyone cooperates: almost every country must have it, there must be pure loyalty and trust, no crime, no army, etc. etc. it focuses on human equality, so that no person has a lot more or less than anyone else
basically its the best system if the conditions are right, but theyre never right

as for democraty, been living in canada all my life, i find it works wel.

[dantespyke]

Lets look at the track record...
Communism-Always eventually fails
Capitilism- As long as there are enough individuals spread around in all aspects of the economy it will survive.

Communism does not work. That is a fact. Corrupt politicans will come to power it is unavoidable because it is human nature. They will abuse the situation and take advantage of it. Also people are not content with communism. If Doctor A goes to school for 10 years and works everyday for long hours and makes as much as the guy who throws out his trash he will not be happy. Capitilism drives people to make something of themselves. If they fail their position in life is low and that is their fault.

[AspirinE]

Lets look at the track record...
Communism-Always eventually fails
Capitilism- As long as there are enough individuals spread around in all aspects of the economy it will survive.

Communism does not work. That is a fact. Corrupt politicans will come to power it is unavoidable because it is human nature. They will abuse the situation and take advantage of it. Also people are not content with communism. If Doctor A goes to school for 10 years and works everyday for long hours and makes as much as the guy who throws out his trash he will not be happy. Capitilism drives people to make something of themselves. If they fail their position in life is low and that is their fault.

Thats why people like Stalin are needed to maintain it. If the two societies could coexist in later time, like Chruschev tried to do. People living under comunism would get wealthier in average. I mean there were faults in the ecnmy but everything can be altered. Doctors could have certain benefits, that only there status can get and it would be very much the same.

[dantespyke]

Asprin just a question do you by chance live in russia?

[AspirinE]

Asprin just a question do you by chance live in russia?

Yes, but i study abroad... since its not worthy to study in russia, unless u studying in moscow.

But i grew up there, and stay in Sochi on summer and Winter holidays.