I dont understand this

[classthe_king]

A lot of people on this board could just not ever accept that anything Em has done in the last 5 years could be among his best work. Its the 'nostalgia' thing, which i can understand to a point. If I wasnt open minded i'd probably feel the same.

Please, stop with this "nostalgia" thing. If this was so true why don't we look back on Encore fondly? Cus it's shit and not that many people get that nostalgic with Eminem - I know I don't.

Deja Vu is the only song since TES that could be considered his best work. It's not a slant on his newere stuff - I enjoy both Relapse and Recovery - but it's just an ode to how ridiculously good 1999-2002 Eminem was.

It's got fuck all to do with "not being open minded". The reason I like Till I Collapse better than Almost Famous (and I'm an AF fan) is because, get this... it's better! I know! It's nothing to do with the fact it was made in 2002. If he made it now, I'd still say it's way better than AF.

On the voice thing, I've never heard anyone say they like TIC better than AF becuase of his voice - it's due to beat, flow, hook, rhyming, content etc.

When people say his early work (bar Encore) is better than his newer stuff - it's nothing to do with the fact that it's earlier, it's because it quite simply is better quality in terms of rhyming, flow etc (obviously musical quality is subjective).

I don't want Eminem's style to be exactly the same as his first 3 albums, that would be boring. Would I like his rhyming to be as good as it was then? Of course I would, I'd love it. Once you hear the best rhyming ever by any rapper, you want more of it.

As it is I'm happy with the quality of his last 2 albums, he's so far into his career, just come back from drug addiction, yet is still capable of making 2 more-than-solid albums. Shows what a great artists he is. I just needed to make that point.

I didn't even read what you wrote. You seem mad though. You mad? Why don't you go and explore some more double negatives Em uses in his songs and make a new thread about each one? Might make you feel better, bro.

You are a dumbass. MikeNUFC for president. Everything he said is true and shits all over what you just said. It has nothing to do with Nestalgia, it's because his old songs shit all over his new songs. I didn't even listen to Eminem back then

[Hiphopdane]

You "accuse" people of not being open minded but when they make their point you don't even wanna read their posts.

[Drama Setter]

What's wrong with you man? mike only answered your post

[MikeNUFC]

I didn't even read what you wrote. You seem mad though. You mad? Why don't you go and explore some more double negatives Em uses in his songs and make a new thread about each one? Might make you feel better, bro.

And apparently I'm the close-minded one? Nice one, buddy.

[14Shots]

A lot of people on this board could just not ever accept that anything Em has done in the last 5 years could be among his best work. Its the 'nostalgia' thing, which i can understand to a point. If I wasnt open minded i'd probably feel the same.

Please, stop with this "nostalgia" thing. If this was so true why don't we look back on Encore fondly? Cus it's shit and not that many people get that nostalgic with Eminem - I know I don't.

Deja Vu is the only song since TES that could be considered his best work. It's not a slant on his newere stuff - I enjoy both Relapse and Recovery - but it's just an ode to how ridiculously good 1999-2002 Eminem was.

It's got fuck all to do with "not being open minded". The reason I like Till I Collapse better than Almost Famous (and I'm an AF fan) is because, get this... it's better! I know! It's nothing to do with the fact it was made in 2002. If he made it now, I'd still say it's way better than AF.

On the voice thing, I've never heard anyone say they like TIC better than AF becuase of his voice - it's due to beat, flow, hook, rhyming, content etc.

When people say his early work (bar Encore) is better than his newer stuff - it's nothing to do with the fact that it's earlier, it's because it quite simply is better quality in terms of rhyming, flow etc (obviously musical quality is subjective).

I don't want Eminem's style to be exactly the same as his first 3 albums, that would be boring. Would I like his rhyming to be as good as it was then? Of course I would, I'd love it. Once you hear the best rhyming ever by any rapper, you want more of it.

As it is I'm happy with the quality of his last 2 albums, he's so far into his career, just come back from drug addiction, yet is still capable of making 2 more-than-solid albums. Shows what a great artists he is. I just needed to make that point.

I didn't even read what you wrote. You seem mad though. You mad? Why don't you go and explore some more double negatives Em uses in his songs and make a new thread about each one? Might make you feel better, bro.

all that needed to be said.

idiot.

[DanWS]

You are a dumbass. MikeNUFC for president. Everything he said is true and shits all over what you just said. It has nothing to do with Nestalgia, it's because his old songs shit all over his new songs. I didn't even listen to Eminem back then

OK, once your tongue is out of Mike's ass, and when I can be bothered to spare 10 mins, I'll address Mike's response properly. The reason I posted what I did was because from what I saw the guy took what I said so personally which he didn't need to do. I felt a lot of attitude coming from him from what I did read. e.g. "the reason i like this better is because, get this... it's better!" Not a fan of being patronised. Which annoyed me. I never said everyone who doesnt like his new stuff is because of "nostalgia", I said there's "a lot of people" who have that mindframe, which in my opinion is true. Mike just chose to take it personally, which if he has other reasons for not liking Em's new stuff as much as his old stuff, he didn't need to. Why did he get so angered by what I said if it doesn't apply to him? That's a rhetorical question by the way, but no doubt you'll be right on your ass-licking duty to fire back a "power-to-the-people"-esque answer! You da man.

[MikeNUFC]

You are a dumbass. MikeNUFC for president. Everything he said is true and shits all over what you just said. It has nothing to do with Nestalgia, it's because his old songs shit all over his new songs. I didn't even listen to Eminem back then

OK, once your tongue is out of Mike's ass, and when I can be bothered to spare 10 mins, I'll address Mike's response properly. The reason I posted what I did was because from what I saw the guy took what I said so personally which he didn't need to do. I felt a lot of attitude coming from him from what I did read. Which annoyed me. I never said everyone who doesnt like his new stuff is because of "nostalgia", I said there's "a lot of people" who have that mindframe, which in my opinion is true. Mike just chose to take it personally, which if he has other reasons for not liking Em's new stuff as much as his old stuff, he didn't need to. Why did he get so angered by what I said if it doesn't apply to him? That's a rhetorical question by the way, but no doubt you'll be right on your ass-licking duty to fire back a "power-to-the-people"-esque answer! You da man.

1. How did I take it personally? The reason I replied is becuase it irratates (not angered, irratated) me that you had the cheek to say people who dont like Eminem's new stuff as much as his old stuff are not open minded and it's do with nostalgia. Also saying that no-one could except that songs these days could be amongst his best work.

Yes, those weren't your exact words but that's what you were implying. Whether it applies to me or not, it doesnt mean I cant make my point.

2. How was I mad at all? Becuase I used a swear word? I was slightly irratated. Or is it becuase you wanna follow everyone with the old "u mad" line which is about 17 and a half years old.

3. The irony of calling someone close-minded then not even bothering to read my reply is brilliant, though.

4. This is a discussion board. To discuss things. Aren't you gunna respond to my point? Or are you just gunna post "you mad" and not bother to have a proper discussion about it - the reason I posted in the first place was to have a discussion - which, based on your previous posts, I thought you were able to have. Obviously not.

/anaylsis of Dan's comment

[DanWS]

“1. How did I take it personally? “

I felt you took it personally because you seemed very annoyed in your reply. Being patronising is always a sign of someone being annoyed, because they took what someone said personally and therefore use patronisation as a way of getting their point across.

“The reason I replied is becuase it irratates (not angered, irratated) me that you had the cheek to say people who dont like Eminem's new stuff as much as his old stuff are not open minded and it's do with nostalgia. Also saying that no-one could except that songs these days could be amongst his best work.”

What part of “a lot of people” don’t you understand? You’re making it out like I said everyone who doesn’t like his new stuff doesn’t like it because of the “nostalgia” factor. And that’s probably why you took it personally. In my opinion there are a lot of people who are not open minded to him changing his style and his direction. That’s cheeky? Then so be it. Did I say YOU were one of them people? No. So if you’re not one of those people, then why argue/speak for them? Because you’re “allowed” to? OK well you might be allowed to do anything you want, but how would your argument reflect their thoughts, rather than your own?

“Yes, those weren't your exact words but that's what you were implying. Whether it applies to me or not, it doesnt mean I cant make my point.”

And NO my point wasn’t that everyone who doesn’t like his new stuff as much feels that way because of nostalgia. If I wanted to imply that everyone feels that way, I would’ve said everyone. I think there’s a lot of people that think that way, so I said a lot of people. Please don’t tell me what I meant.

“2. How was I mad at all? Becuase I used a swear word? I was slightly irratated. Or is it becuase you wanna follow everyone with the old "u mad" line which is about 17 and a half years old.”

Partly because I wanted to follow everyone with the old “u mad” line which is about 17 and a half years old, but also because as I have already said, you came across pissed off and like you took it personally which prompted you to feel the need to be patronising to me.

“3. The irony of calling someone close-minded then not even bothering to read my reply is brilliant, though.”

Ty. Look, in all honesty it was a kinda a knee-jerk reaction. I already explained why I did it. That doesn’t mean I was right to do it, though. Reading your post in its entirety, it ain't as bad as what I picked up from the initial few sentences I read and didn't like. Anyway, you can either keep mentioning that point over and over again, or you can let it go. Upto you.

“4. This is a discussion board. To discuss things. Aren't you gunna respond to my point? Or are you just gunna post "you mad" and not bother to have a proper discussion about it - the reason I posted in the first place was to have a discussion - which, based on your previous posts, I thought you were able to have. Obviously not.”

I will respond properly to your point, yes. I probably won’t opt for the “you mad” option again when I do, though. I’ll probably use something else that’s equally old and worn-out.

[Gorila]

Mike speaks for everyone!!! his our savior, all his post are gold and everyone should agree with him!!! thats the type of vibe i get whenever he posts.

[Jay-Hova]

Mike speaks for everyone!!! his our savior, all his post are gold and everyone should agree with him!!! thats the type of vibe i get whenever he posts.

Most fucking definitely.

[DanWS]

Mike speaks for everyone!!! his our savior, all his post are gold and everyone should agree with him!!! thats the type of vibe i get whenever he posts.

Kind of. Not really his fault though. Some people are just sheep.

[OMEGA]

Lyrically, AF destroys TiC. Heck, even the hook, flow and beat are better. That said, I can see why some would put TiC above the aforementioned just because of the ¨pump you up¨ feeling of the song.

[Emadyville]

I think almost famous is dope as hell, honestly one of my favorite tracks from him because he kind of reflects on his past, but uses wordplay and metaphors that seem to not fit, but I feel it's for him being slim shady. almost like it's him showing how good he is and he became famous for saying that shit, but also throws some timeline into it. idk i love it

[classthe_king]

Lyrically, AF destroys TiC. Heck, even the hook, flow and beat are better. That said, I can see why some would put TiC above the aforementioned just because of the ¨pump you up¨ feeling of the song.

Omg, TIC > AF in every fucking category. The lyrics of Till I Collapse are insane, the beat is amazing, the hook is great and the flow is one of his best ever.

[XLJ]

TIC is a classic, Almost Famous is really good one of the best songs on recovery.