Eminem on 60 minutes this sunday

[Guess_Who]

hi,I´m new here. I just watched 60 min now, but I´m spanish and my english sucks..
Can anybody tell me what they say at 2.00 minute in these video of behind the scenes? when they are in the burger king..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flRJjBpgls8

looks like a pretty embarrassing moment..

would be nice if someone translated the video into Spanish..

[Guess_Who]

Bienvenido

I will translate

At 2:00 he says "Esto no es extraño a todos los" and then..... "Es bastante natural"

Thank you One Mic !! so as I said a pretty embarrasing moment...

and what does anderson cooper say in 2.20? I can understand the word stupid..
you can tell me what he says in english ,I fully understand the written English,I have trouble with spoken...

[BILI]

Did they HAVE to only show Eminem singing choruses? People who don't listen to his music and are also idiots (and there are tons of those) are going to think that's all he does and be like, "how is this guy talented? He writes words and repeats them over and over?!"

Not to mention, they highlighted "Not Afraid"...his own fault for writing that piece of shit, I guess.

They also seem to have edited out all of the GOOD parts...I really wish he would've read something from his box of lyrics. I think he also probably went into more detail about "Criminal," as that part was blatantly edited.

Oh well.

[MakaveliTheDon]

This is the first time I say this but....I miss his I don't give a fuck attitude

Dude how old are you?

The IDGAF attitude only stays for so long and Em or Marshall Mathers as a person would've been a complete idiot if he'd still be like this from the heart now.

I'm 15. Does it matter

I just said that because I was just in a bad mood at the time and I guess I expected Em to act like an asshole like I was at the time. I know people change and shit...etc. etc.

I don't care how he acts lol.

[MakaveliTheDon]

I'm 15.

[dR3]

Did they HAVE to only show Eminem singing choruses? People who don't listen to his music and are also idiots (and there are tons of those) are going to think that's all he does and be like, "how is this guy talented? He writes words and repeats them over and over?!"

Not to mention, they highlighted "Not Afraid"...his own fault for writing that piece of shit, I guess.

They also seem to have edited out all of the GOOD parts...I really wish he would've read something from his box of lyrics. I think he also probably went into more detail about "Criminal," as that part was blatantly edited.

Oh well.

ROFLCOPTER

[mrjizzbomber]

This is the first time I say this but....I miss his I don't give a fuck attitude

Dude how old are you?

The IDGAF attitude only stays for so long and Em or Marshall Mathers as a person would've been a complete idiot if he'd still be like this from the heart now.

I'm 15. Does it matter

I just said that because I was just in a bad mood at the time and I guess I expected Em to act like an asshole like I was at the time. I know people change and shit...etc. etc.

I don't care how he acts lol.

No it doesn't matter what age you are.

Although.. you were 5 when Eminem didn't give a fuck

[kiki]

I'm 15. Does it matter

I just said that because I was just in a bad mood at the time and I guess I expected Em to act like an asshole like I was at the time. I know people change and shit...etc. etc.

I don't care how he acts lol.

Oh yeah it does matter. If you're 15 go ahead and complain he's soft aka matured now but if you were 30 still saying that....oh boy. So anway, since you were 5 during Em's IDGA period, did he teach you swearwords and do your parents hate him for that?

[buffalo bill]

But there's a point to be made that his jokes about gays, women, violence, the disabled etc. are problematic because it perpetuates the norms of a homophobic, sexist, generally intolerant and brutal society.

And that it teaches real homophobics and sexists to play the "I'm just playing around, don't be so sensitive" card, maybe? I agree that they should either ask the right questions or stop bringing the shit up at all.

He does get off the hook too easily when the subject is brought up, I do think. It would never happen if his "victims" had been Blacks or Jews.

[MakaveliTheDon]

I'm 15. Does it matter

I just said that because I was just in a bad mood at the time and I guess I expected Em to act like an asshole like I was at the time. I know people change and shit...etc. etc.

I don't care how he acts lol.

Oh yeah it does matter. If you're 15 go ahead and complain he's soft aka matured now but if you were 30 still saying that....oh boy. So anway, since you were 5 during Em's IDGA period, did he teach you swearwords and do your parents hate him for that?

Well I founf Em out when I was 14 during Relapse when I saw the We Made You video.

But, he didn't teach me swear words but he did make me say 'em more often and be more comfortable with it. And my parents do dislike him for his language sometimes lol

[katha]

But there's a point to be made that his jokes about gays, women, violence, the disabled etc. are problematic because it perpetuates the norms of a homophobic, sexist, generally intolerant and brutal society.

And that it teaches real homophobics and sexists to play the "I'm just playing around, don't be so sensitive" card, maybe? I agree that they should either ask the right questions or stop bringing the shit up at all.

He does get off the hook too easily when the subject is brought up, I do think. It would never happen if his "victims" had been Blacks or Jews.

OTOH I do agree with him that parents are responsible for their children and everyone is responsible for their own behaviour. It's a fine line, I guess. Read a phrase somewhere else on the internet: "Misaimed fandom". Basically people projecting their own ideas on artists and not getting that they may be saying something different. Hell, Em wrote a song about it: Stan. How much can he really help that? Or should he be making clearer statements? Would anybody even listen?

I also think that much of the outrage is fake. And ironically he gets backlash because he in many ways actually doesn't glorify violence, sexism and homophobia since he constructs his presentation of it as either uncomfortably realistic (mostly the violence and anger) or as so crass or so self-ironic that you have difficulty shrugging it off. It's not the casual "no homo", "that's so gay" that's around in movies and yes, countless other rap songs (and Katy Perry!). No one gives a shit about that because it doesn't stop them from enjoying that stuff as mindless entertainment whereas Eminem always forces you to notice what you're actually listening to.

And since he tries not to be a liar he can't say: "I'm sorry, I repent and will never do that again." He won't (and shouldn't) denounce his own songs, he obviously will write outrageous stuff again because...duh. Many people do insist that such jokes shouldn't be made at all (Anderson Cooper among them), so that explanation only preaches to the choir and won't change the opinions of those who think art shouldn't be allowed to do that. He can only say that he doesn't have a problem with gay people. But, again, people don't even get what he's doing: See Cooper citing Criminal. So yeah, that particular conversation probably won't ever get anywhere useful.

[buffalo bill]

He does get off the hook too easily when the subject is brought up, I do think. It would never happen if his "victims" had been Blacks or Jews.

What do you mean he gets off the hook? He shouldn't even be ON the hook.

No, I don't think it's that simple. You shouldn't make songs about hating and killing women, "faggots" etc... in a society where misogyny and homophobia is ripe... and then just be able to say "I'm just kidding" and then any discussion should just end.

I am not saying Eminem does anything wrong, not at all... "Kill You" and "Criminal" are two of my favourite songs. But acting as if there isn't even a potential problem here is extremely naïve. And if you do controversial things like that you should also be prepared to explain yourself. Not only whine about people being sensitive and how you are being singled out.

But the real questions aren't even being asked. So he can de facto get away with "just kidding, haha". And that's sad.

[katha]

There's also the fact that the same people who ask about Criminal never ask if he's really a rapist in a Jason mask, or if he really robbed a bank and killed loads of people. So they're being illogical or dishonest when they only get offended at selected things. Because if we are taking things literally, let's be consequent about it. I have a hunch that it's a mixture of genuinely not understanding the songs and wanting to be outraged, with a dash of "Look at me being a moral upstanding citizen as I criticize this bad, bad man" self-righteousness thrown in for good measure.

[kiki]

It's JUST rap! It's an art for fuck's sake! People only take Em's words for actions because he's not only the best in his art but he makes it sound so REAL. That's what has always pissed people off about rap music.
But does that make him responsible for our children? No. And I think I can say that b/c I've been one of those children growing up listening to his music but I actually GOT that he just said certain, because they rhyme and shouldn't be taken literally. Dammit this debate is as old as Aristotle's "poetics", in which he clarified THIS - so don't blame Eminem but blame yourself for not having read and understood a 2000yr old debate........

[buffalo bill]

If a person goes out and bashes a gay person because of "Criminal," they're stupid.

Right... but the gay person has still been bashed.

Are you saying now that it is a real possibility that gays get hurt in real life because of Eminem's lyrics? Then there is definitely a problem, isn't it?

Does an artist have any responsibilities for the consequences of his work? Why not?

We can praise Eminem for his inspirational songs such as "Not Afraid"... no, wait, not that one because it sucks but you get the point... they have undoubtedly helped many people. but if we do, why couldn't we call him out on potential negative consequences too. But no, then it's all "people just don't get it" and "bad parenting" and whatever.

Just something to think about.