Session Two Featuring Eminem and Slaughterhouse on the way

[brenn]

When Joe Budden was on the phone to Royce on his live video earlier when he heard Royce, Crooked I verses his face expression was like "What The Fuck". He said something like I was not expecting that and no raps that fast. Then Royce said you aint even heard Em verse yet.

[Sekou]

I just don't want him to shout all over the track tho.

That's his style now. I like it if he has a reason.

He overdid it on LTWYL 2 tho. some of the shouting just sounds unnatural and forced. It was good on the other joints he's released throughout the year, including Recovery ofc.

[WakeUpShow]

I wish Em would do alot of tracks one-on-one with Joell, Joey, Royce and Crook.

An Eminem and Crooked I song would be straight up one of the greatest rap songs ever.

[mcZu]

I'm afraid that this song will prove how overrated Em is nowadays. Unless he decides to step his game the fuck up, he won't be able to keep up with SH. I mean, did you hear that snippet of Crooked's verse? Royces dynamic in the snippet of his verse? Granted, Joell will do his thing on it, which is always dope. Joey gonna drop some creative punchlines and kill it. Eminem? Let's hope he can keep up with them.

I think it'll prove how untouchable he is.

When he's on his own albums he's often trying to construct themes rather than be lyrical for its own sake, but when he chooses to go all out he is anything but fucking overrated, he barely gets any recognition. Relapse is ridiculously good, technically-speaking.

This'll bring the best out of him. Not saying he will out-do them in a breeze but just that when he's on his a-game or forced to be >> everyone. Just like on "Session One", he laid his verse without hearing theirs and whilst they obviously had better verses, they didn't exactly rip him to shreds, despite having sat down frantically trying to out-do him.

I think his classic wit has just been missing due to lack of competition. Now that he's in that environment again, I think we'll be amazed.

I'm glad Em re-wrote his verse after hearing Royce's- and Crooked's verse. Because, as you said, they outdid him on the first session. I just hope that--taking the trend of Roman's Revenge in consideration--he won't disappoint. Surely, back in the day he could come as lyrical as he wanted to. But his a-game hasn't been really on display for awhile now. I haven't heard one song in the past 3-4 years that showed how lyrical Em could be (I'm not taking Relapse into consideration, 'cause that's a different branch of lyrical technicality than what we are talking about now).

But, if it's true that he rewrote his verse, I think he realized he can't do anything but to force his a-game up when he's around rappers of this caliber. I can't help but to remain skeptical, though...

[Brood]

I just don't want him to shout all over the track tho.

That's his style now. I like it if he has a reason.

He overdid it on LTWYL 2 tho. some of the shouting just sounds unnatural and forced. It was good on the other joints he's released throughout the year, including Recovery ofc.

Agreed. I'm not the one to complain about Eminem's "yelling", because he pulled out off nicely (imo) with Recovery..but like you said, it sounds unnatural and forced with his more recent collabs (RR & LTWYL2).

[WakeUpShow]

Em has every flow and voice mastered. And when I say mastered I say mastered, i mean absolutely PERFECT. So the only irritating part of the shouting is knowing that it's another song where we won't hear Em showcase his natural rhyming and flowing skills.

[EminemBase]

I haven't heard one song in the past 3-4 years that showed how lyrical Em could be (I'm not taking Relapse into consideration, 'cause that's a different branch of lyrical technicality than what we are talking about now).

But, if it's true that he rewrote his verse, I think he realized he can't do anything but to force his a-game up when he's around rappers of this caliber. I can't help but to remain skeptical, though...

What about "Almost Famous" and "Cinderella Man"?

Those are new-heights in some aspects for him IMO.

The writing in "Almost Famous" is pure powerhouse and "Cinderella Man" is so consistent, and it's more astute, there's something more striking about it...

I shut your lane down / took your spot, parked in it too
=
You can hate him, he don't blame you / frankly he would too

That's a step in a much better direction. More self-aware, cocky but mature and assured. I think a lot of Recovery shows a very lyrical Eminem and shades we haven't seen.

[mcZu]

I haven't heard one song in the past 3-4 years that showed how lyrical Em could be (I'm not taking Relapse into consideration, 'cause that's a different branch of lyrical technicality than what we are talking about now).

But, if it's true that he rewrote his verse, I think he realized he can't do anything but to force his a-game up when he's around rappers of this caliber. I can't help but to remain skeptical, though...

What about "Almost Famous" and "Cinderella Man"?

Those are new-heights in some aspects for him IMO.

The writing in "Almost Famous" is pure powerhouse and "Cinderella Man" is so consistent, and it's more astute, there's something more striking about it...

I shut your lane down / took your spot, parked in it too
=
You can hate him, he don't blame you / frankly he would too

That's a step in a much better direction. More self-aware, cocky but mature and assured. I think a lot of Recovery shows a very lyrical Eminem and shades we haven't seen.

Perhaps, still, it's a different form of the kind of lyricism we'd expect from him on a joint such as ''Session One'' and ''Session Two''.

I did find his verse on Session One quite amusing, in a good way. The R. Kelly-you're in/urine punch was pretty creative. One of the better lines on the song, however, his overall verse was lacking. It lacks that Em factor we all love. Granted, he has evolved into a new entity, he's expirimenting with new styles and trying out different things. But, the way it came out on Relapse and Recovery wasn't really up to his level, imo.

He can be so much greater, rapping with Slaughterhouse will make realize that, hopefully. They'll force him to step it up, which will probably make Eminem even exceed his prime. But, I can't jump to conclusions before hearing the actual verse on ''Session Two''. All I know is that Roman's Revenge was terrible, I sincerely hope that isn't a showcase of the current Em. I'm almost sure it is not, but you never know.

[brenn]

People speaking about Eminem verse on Session One, Joe Budden was talking about it earlier saying Eminem did not even go in that hard and this time expects him not push back at all.

[EminemBase]

All I know is that Roman's Revenge was terrible, I sincerely hope that isn't a showcase of the current Em. I'm almost sure it is not, but you never know.

Yeah the song was but mainly due to the terrrrrrrrible production.

Swizz Beats is a fucking hack.

I don't see how Em's verses were bad. Flow wasn't as tight as lately and there were a few cheesy lines, and of course the constant resorting to sex acts is predictable and uncreative. But it definitely had the DNA of his old-wit more than most recent stuff.

For example, the line:
Go take a flying leap of faith off a fucking balcony < awesome.

Is VERY reminiscent of his prime-wit. It reminds me of things like...
Put a knife in an envelope and have you stabbed in the mail

Taking something metaphorical and making it literal. And emphasizing it in an adolescent / rebellious context, it's definitely a sign of good things. Not to mention littering's of other life-loathing lines, much snappier and more in-character.

[brenn]

All I know is that Roman's Revenge was terrible, I sincerely hope that isn't a showcase of the current Em. I'm almost sure it is not, but you never know.

Yeah the song was but mainly due to the terrrrrrrrible production.

Swizz Beats is a fucking hack.

I don't see how Em's verses were bad. His flow wasn't as tight as his latest one and there were a few cheesy lines, and of course the constant resorting to sexual acts is predictable and uncreative. But it definitely had the DNA of his old-wit much more than a lot of recent stuff.

For example, the line:
Go take a fucking flying leap of faith off a balcony < awesome.

Is VERY reminiscent of his prime-wit. It reminds me of things like...
Put a knife in an envelope and have you stabbed in the mail

Taking something metaphorical and making it literal. And emphasizing it in an adolescent / rebellious context, it's definitely a sign of good things. Not to mention littering's of other life-loathing lines, much snappier.

[mcZu]

All I know is that Roman's Revenge was terrible, I sincerely hope that isn't a showcase of the current Em. I'm almost sure it is not, but you never know.

Yeah the song was but mainly due to the terrrrrrrrible production.

Swizz Beats is a fucking hack.

I don't see how Em's verses were bad. Flow wasn't as tight as lately and there were a few cheesy lines, and of course the constant resorting to sex acts is predictable and uncreative. But it definitely had the DNA of his old-wit more than most recent stuff.

For example, the line:
Go take a fucking flying leap of faith off a balcony < awesome.

Is VERY reminiscent of his prime-wit. It reminds me of things like...
Put a knife in an envelope and have you stabbed in the mail

Taking something metaphorical and making it literal. And emphasizing it in an adolescent / rebellious context, it's definitely a sign of good things. Not to mention littering's of other life-loathing lines, much snappier.

Lyrically it wasn't even that bad, no. Even the car metaphors were OK, I suppose. What killed me was the delivery, he sounded lazy as fuck, plus it sounded like he was mumbling.

He definitely has some creative ideas, but he doesn't execute them well. Aside of the occasional dope line, he tries to hard, it's almost like he's forcing the wordplay. Making it sound cheesy.

[EminemBase]

Lyrically it wasn't even that bad, no. Even the car metaphors were OK, I suppose. What killed me was the delivery, he sounded lazy as fuck, plus it sounded like he was mumbling.

He definitely has some creative ideas, but he doesn't execute them well. Aside of the occasional dope line, he tries to hard, it's almost like he's forcing the wordplay. Making it sound cheesy.

Like I said, it has the DNA of his prime wit.

He's still shape-shifting his execution on his climb to be as good / better than he was, and those verses were by no means done superbly but what's important is the foundations at this point. I think they definitely show promise.

As for him sounding lazy, I don't get that at all. He sounds energized and crafted like he has done since 2009. I think people perceive it as sounding 'tired' due to the voice-straining, but that's different to lazy. Just means he needs to lay back on the shouting.

[mcZu]

As for him sounding lazy, I don't get that at all. He sounds energized and crafted like he has done since 2009. I think people perceive it as sounding 'tired' due to the voice-straining, but that's different to lazy. Just means he needs to lay back on the shouting.

I still think it might the the mixing. His vocals weren't as clear as Nicki's. As for the not shouting, that's why he sounds lazy. If you're always shouting, people will start to take that as your energetic form of channeling your vocal pressence. As soon as you stop doing that, you'll sound as if you're lazy. I never said he was lazy, 'cause I don't think he was lazy while recording his verse. But he did sound lazy, or, perhaps, less energetic would be a better way to phrase it, on Roman's Revenge.

[Emadyville]

good convo embase and zu, I enjoyed reading that