Session Two Featuring Eminem and Slaughterhouse on the way

[EminemBase]

How's his flow not good? His flow was good, as far as I can make up from that snippet. Lyrically it's good too, it's basically bragging. He's making sense.. This isn't a Canibus verse.

Yeah but I can see his point.

It's not that it literally does not make sense just that it's nonsense lyricism because it's so void of character or direction. It's robotic, drab and arbitrary. And most of us here could write it. There's not enough spacing in it, too bunched up and ill-thought.

Good lyricism needs to be a marriage of many things. Technicality and rhyming is only part of it, but with that kind of writing, it becomes all of it.

[mcZu]

How's his flow not good? His flow was good, as far as I can make up from that snippet. Lyrically it's good too, it's basically bragging. He's making sense.. This isn't a Canibus verse.

Yeah but I can see his point.

It's not that it literally does not make sense just that it's nonsense lyricism because it's so void of character or direction. It's robotic, drab and arbitrary. And most of us here could write it. There's not enough spacing in it, too bunched up and ill-thought.

Good lyricism needs to be a marriage of many things. Technicality and rhyming is only part of it, but with that kind of writing, it becomes all of it.

Most of us here couldn't. Check CW, rhyming isn't that easy. Plus, I don't think it's void of character, it's basically Crooked's character. The fast paced, heavy multies packed, bars are part of his character. I wouldn't call it robotic, it's consistent, yeah, but that's the rhythm of his flow.

I do agree with you that good lyricism needs to more than just that, but what Crooked I does usually is perfect for a brag track. And he's capable of more, he proved that on Raindrops.

[EminemBase]

How's his flow not good? His flow was good, as far as I can make up from that snippet. Lyrically it's good too, it's basically bragging. He's making sense.. This isn't a Canibus verse.

Yeah but I can see his point.

It's not that it literally does not make sense just that it's nonsense lyricism because it's so void of character or direction. It's robotic, drab and arbitrary. And most of us here could write it. There's not enough spacing in it, too bunched up and ill-thought.

Good lyricism needs to be a marriage of many things. Technicality and rhyming is only part of it, but with that kind of writing, it becomes all of it.

Most of us here couldn't. Check CW, rhyming isn't that easy. Plus, I don't think it's void of character, it's basically Crooked's character. The fast paced, heavy multies packed, bars are part of his character. I wouldn't call it robotic, it's consistent, yeah, but that's the rhythm of his flow.

I do agree with you that good lyricism needs to more than just that, but what Crooked I does usually is perfect for a brag track. And he's capable of more, he proved that on Raindrops.

Oh come on, you couldn't write what Amadeo just wrote?

That kind of writing is very easy. It's the type of thing I would write as a kid, desperate to sound impressive, not having anything worth saying, type of thing Eminem wrote on Infinite but soon grew out of.

It's void of character as anybody could be saying those lines and it'd make no difference, there's no idendity and more than that, there's not enough thought through the lines. It's for its own sake, which would be fine but it's just done in such a... meh way.

It's not hard to think "hmm... dominance / prominence / documents" etc. and then find a way to link them. It is hard however to think of metaphors, references, tongue-in-cheek moments and rhymes upon rhymes then link them all with conversational-style lyricism like Em does (when on-point). That's character.

[EminemBase]

^ exactly. It's spineless lyricism, often not making proper sense.

What's more is how many people will spunk over it yet criticize Em for much more commendable technique. Crooked is currently still an underdog that's why.

[One Mic]

I agree with Amadeo and EminemBase.

Take a look at the song 'Stan' for example. A brilliant concept, great-story telling and lyrically brilliant. If you look at the lyrics on paper, it isn't the best for multi's,wordplay etc but it doesn't need to me - IT IS 1000000X better than the likes of 'Infinite' where he is rhyming words like a dictionary but he isn't saying shit.

Stan tells a story whilst still remaining good lyrically. Em manages to balance the two well.

[Trimss]

http://www.rhymezone.com/

If you want to write something like that, just go there. Find some rhymes, make a link between your words and you'll be the greatest lyricist ever.

[shuxams]

Wow I hardly post here but so many good points by Zu, Base, and Ama.

My 2 cents:

Em has fallen off but he's still dope. I definitely agree with the notion that he sounds less natural than he has in years past. He went from an I-don't-give-a-fuck kind of attitude on SSLP and elevated that persona to new heights on MMLP. He was extremely technical, creative, filled with emotion, etc etc,- but at the same time it sounded like he wasn't even trying very hard.. like he was just goofing off and still making dope ass music. Then from 8 mile-TES, I feel a lot of Em fans feel this period was his "prime" because he sounded dead serious and out to prove what he is capable of.. and actually proving it.

After TES, he kind of went back to the I-don't-give-a-fuck/goofing around type of vibe on Encore and Relapse but it just didn't sound as focused. He lost his hunger, the shock factor wasn't there anymore, and honestly.. I understand as an artist you might want to experiment with your flow and delivery but I feel that most rappers are at their best when the flow is basic. When Em started trying to deliver in a sing-song way and recently on Relapse/Recovery try to double-time and put too many pauses and stuff between words.. it just doesn't flow.

I guess he realized the accent wasn't doing it and his songs were lacking emotion by the time he started recording Recovery which is a plus but I agree that simply shouting =/= emotion- at least not what most fans are looking for. I could try to analyze and point out exactly what Em is lacking these days but I wouldn't know where to stop if I started.

As for Crooked I spitting nonsense - I agree but disagree. The whole.. big words that rhyme type of flow can get old and repetitive but to me it's classic underground. I understand most of us who've tried rhyming can think of dominant/prominent kinds of rhymes fairly easily but that's still doper than most of what you hear on the radio. As for Em being able to construct crazy multi's while making sense and painting mind boggling pictures while telling detailed stories all at the same time, that's what makes him who he is and that's probably the reason why we're all on the site. At the same time, that's the same reason why a lot of us are disappointed in him and are desperate for a TES-caliber track from him. The last time he came that ill was on No Apologies and 2 of those verses were recycled from his "prime days."

Hopefully, hanging out with Slaughterhouse will indeed awake the beast in him once more.

[classthe_king]

I think the way Crooked I came up with the rhymes were pretty bad, and the verse isn't very good in that aspect, however, the way he perfectly worded everything and put the rhymes in the exact right spot I don't think anyone on this site could do. "Technically" he's very good which makes his flow good and the verse sound awesome IMO.

[EminemBase]

^ I think saying nobody on the site could do that is a bit much.

It's just about rhythm. If you're a good writer period, you have to take into account a sense of rhythm. If you're a good writer you relay sentences constantly like an audiotape in your head to make them flow properly, no different than a lyricist.

So in that aspect, I think many writers who have the ability to rhyme well could do what he did there. I admit I couldn't come up with a flow like that out of nowhere, I'm not a rapper, but simply making the words flow isn't hard. Even when you dish out an insult or cram a sentance with an amount of adjectives, too many spoils the entire effect... It's subtle but I think genetically determined to a large degree.

Much like a sense of humour. That's also about rhythm, which is why a lot of comedians tend to have good musical ability, in terms of... just writing lyrics or music that flows well. Two examples being the Pythons and Trey Parker.

[classthe_king]

^ I think saying nobody on the site could do that is a bit much.

It's just about rhythm. If you're a good writer period, you have to take into account a sense of rhythm. If you're a good writer you relay sentences constantly like an audiotape in your head to make them flow properly, no different than a lyricist.

So in that aspect, I think many writers who have the ability to rhyme well could do what he did there. I admit I couldn't come up with a flow like that out of nowhere, I'm not a rapper, but simply making the words flow isn't hard. Even when you dish out an insult or cram a sentance with an amount of adjectives, too many spoils the entire effect... It's subtle but I think genetically determined to a large degree.

Much like a sense of humour. That's also about rhythm, which is why a lot of comedians tend to have good musical ability, in terms of... just writing lyrics or music that flows well. Two examples being the Pythons and Trey Parker.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail was an awesome movie lol.( Offtopic)

I couldn't write a verse LIKE that though, I couldn't pick just a bunch of multis but structure them and word them perfectly to that degree to make it sound and flow perfectly like he did. The only person I know that could do it is Mc Anonymous. No one in the Audio section is that good yet multi wise and Fa-Q and Yah-hah are more than likely not good enough on the mic yet so no, I don't think anyone could do it since Angel's gone.

[EminemBase]

^ I think saying nobody on the site could do that is a bit much.

It's just about rhythm. If you're a good writer period, you have to take into account a sense of rhythm. If you're a good writer you relay sentences constantly like an audiotape in your head to make them flow properly, no different than a lyricist.

So in that aspect, I think many writers who have the ability to rhyme well could do what he did there. I admit I couldn't come up with a flow like that out of nowhere, I'm not a rapper, but simply making the words flow isn't hard. Even when you dish out an insult or cram a sentance with an amount of adjectives, too many spoils the entire effect... It's subtle but I think genetically determined to a large degree.

Much like a sense of humour. That's also about rhythm, which is why a lot of comedians tend to have good musical ability, in terms of... just writing lyrics or music that flows well. Two examples being the Pythons and Trey Parker.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail was an awesome movie lol.( Offtopic)

I couldn't write a verse LIKE that though, I couldn't pick just a bunch of multis but structure them and word them perfectly to that degree to make it sound and flow perfectly like he did. The only person I know that could do it is Mc Anonymous. No one in the Audio section is that good yet multi wise and Fa-Q and Yah-hah are more than likely not good enough on the mic yet so no, I don't think anyone could do it since Angel's gone.

I don't think that's that hard with practice.

Even when I tried to write rhymes as a kid, they were total garbage as I didn't know what the fuck to say or why but I still began and concluded with the proper rhythm.

I think it's very much like humour and you either have it or not. It's timing.

In terms of multi's, the more you do it the better you get but in terms of just... hitting the 'natural rhythm points', I think that's very intuitive and obvious providing you have mental rhythm. Eminem has the best mental rhythm I've ever heard.

But it's almost like... you know when some rappers awkwardly cram in a "to" or a bunch of words instead of simply slightly altering the speed of the flow at a certain point to make it seamless and 'correct'. I mean, I think that's pretty obvious tbh.

And yeah Holy Grail is awesome. Meaning of Life is better though.

[classthe_king]

It's pretty hard for me lol. I can get the flow perfectly in my head as how I want it to sound but it's hard to translate that into words on paper that fit the same flow. Guess I'm not very musically talented.

[slimsoxshady]

gonna be on Complete Recovery

[EminemBase]

I just realized this song shoots down the "Em never does sequels to his songs!" argument. lol

It's gonna be compared to Session One for sure.

And so far it's way better.

Well "Love the Way You Lie PT. 2" technically shot that down. "Session One" is like a group outing anyway, it's not exactly an 'Eminem track' with them on it.

[classthe_king]

Somebody tell Officer Crawford that this is Slaughterhouse
And I left the next black president in his daughters mouth