The production on Relapse

[BoomZigga]

Dre is the best producer of all time

ALLL TIME!!

Relapse production is great, for the most part.

But no way he Dre the best of all-time. He's loud, crisp and quality, but he's so uncreative in comparison to somebody like Kanye.

Kanye constantly keeps it moving, expanding and experimenting. Dre pretty much does the same shit every time, changes the mood / tone etc. but sticks to a formula.

Kanye ain't shit. All he does is sample some old R&B or Soul song and then adds a bass to it.
Boring.

[EminemBase]

Dre is the best producer of all time

ALLL TIME!!

Relapse production is great, for the most part.

But no way he Dre the best of all-time. He's loud, crisp and quality, but he's so uncreative in comparison to somebody like Kanye.

Kanye constantly keeps it moving, expanding and experimenting. Dre pretty much does the same shit every time, changes the mood / tone etc. but sticks to a formula.

Wrong!
Kanye is definitely a great producer & a rapper.
Relapse production is great overall too. That I agree.
The rest is wrong all the way.
Dre is the most diverse, and highy considered the greatest producer off all time by most of his peers which is obviously the bar.
He constantly changes trends as he started something new & fresh then with NWA, then totally changed direction with the G-Funk on his solo albums, Snoop's early work, Warren G etc. while his production on other Death Row artists like Pac & The Dog Pound was way different at the same time.
The production of D.O.C.'s 'Noone can do it better' is totally different too and that album is considered one of the greatest albums coming in that era of hip hop. Dre's produced rock/rap beats along Cypress Hlll's DJ Muggs & R&B/Hip hop kinda beats for Eve, Truth Hurts, Gwen Stefani etc.
Reakwon's last album had a few Dre beats that have an East Coast feel all the way, which was amazing.
Totally changed the trend with his newer artists like EM and Busta, while 50's and Game's albums which came after had 100% different feel beat wise overall. Dre always go out of the box & beats tell him what kinda artists he need.
'Bagpipes from Baghdad' shows how he can go way outta the box and still have an original beat.
His production list is out of this world.

I disagree.

I haven't heard every single song he's made but I've heard a span of it and it all sounds very similar to me. Which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, an artist does have a stamp - But I don't feel that he really goes outside of his comfort zone a lot or expands in big ways.

He makes tiny incremental steps in new directions and like with everything else, is sluggish. Where as Kanye just follows his creative instinct and makes giant leaps forward.

I definitely agree Dre is one of the best producers but not the greatest. Yes he introduced G-Funk, we know that, but when you look at Eminem's back-catalog - Majority of Em's best work was produced by him and the Bass Bros, not Dre.

[Wreck]

I liked the Relapse beats from Dre, and loved the Beautiful beat from Em, but I think the production on Recovery overall was just a hair better .

[Kez]

I think Eminem in his prime would have killed the production on Relapse.

Implying he didn't?

I still put most people disliking Relapse (myself included) down to bad timing; after 4 years of little-to-no music from him we didn't really want to hear him come back and rap about choking fetuses and stalking celebrities. That said, did he kill most of the songs just from a technical view? I think yes.

His flows on Relapse were probably his most honed possibly ever, and i aint talking about that "follow the same flow all the way through which automatically makes it amazing" Stay Wide Awake bullshit, i mean generally. You never get that kind of flow from him now, in the Recovery days. Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to and Deja Vu is probably the best song he's made since his comeback.

[Wreck]

I think Eminem in his prime would have killed the production on Relapse.

Implying he didn't?

I still put most people disliking Relapse (myself included) down to bad timing; after 4 years of little-to-no music from him we didn't really want to hear him come back and rap about choking fetuses and stalking celebrities. That said, did he kill most of the songs just from a technical view? I think yes.

His flows on Relapse were probably his most honed possibly ever, and i aint talking about that "follow the same flow all the way through which automatically makes it amazing" Stay Wide Awake bullshit, i mean generally. You never get that kind of flow from him now, in the Recovery days. Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to and Deja Vu is probably the best song he's made since his comeback.

I agree, although his flow on TES was pretty damn good too.

[EminemBase]

Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to

His flow is perfect on this. He lands every syllable on-beat.

It almost sounds robotic.

Despite the wack accent... I still like it. Third verse is dope as fuck. I remember laughing at "Titty-fucking you 'till your breast nipple flesh tickles my testicles." That's a brilliant line.

The beat is really good, too.

Yeah I fucking love this song.

I guess how much you're into Relapse could largely be down to how much you're into flow also. I don't listen to it and think "oh, stupid shit he's talking about", it's all about the execution. Which is awesome.

I love "Medicine Ball" flow too, addictive as hell.

[CLV22798]

I think Eminem in his prime would have killed the production on Relapse.

Implying he didn't?

I still put most people disliking Relapse (myself included) down to bad timing; after 4 years of little-to-no music from him we didn't really want to hear him come back and rap about choking fetuses and stalking celebrities. That said, did he kill most of the songs just from a technical view? I think yes.

His flows on Relapse were probably his most honed possibly ever, and i aint talking about that "follow the same flow all the way through which automatically makes it amazing" Stay Wide Awake bullshit, i mean generally. You never get that kind of flow from him now, in the Recovery days. Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to and Deja Vu is probably the best song he's made since his comeback.

Yes, I am implying that he didn't do the production on Relapse justice. In his prime, he wouldn't of messed around with a stupid accent and just straight up killed Relapse. Like you said, after being away for 4 years, I didn't want to listen to him talk about choking fetuses and stalking celebrities. There's a few songs I liked on Relapse, but it didn't have much replay value to me. Recovery on the other hand has alot of replay value to me, and it's my favorite Eminem album. It's exactly what I wanted to hear when he cameback.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I think Eminem in his prime would have killed the production on Relapse.

Implying he didn't?

I still put most people disliking Relapse (myself included) down to bad timing; after 4 years of little-to-no music from him we didn't really want to hear him come back and rap about choking fetuses and stalking celebrities. That said, did he kill most of the songs just from a technical view? I think yes.

His flows on Relapse were probably his most honed possibly ever, and i aint talking about that "follow the same flow all the way through which automatically makes it amazing" Stay Wide Awake bullshit, i mean generally. You never get that kind of flow from him now, in the Recovery days. Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to and Deja Vu is probably the best song he's made since his comeback.

Though I like the Recovery Eminem better than the Relapse Eminem, Relapse was incredible lyrically and flow-wise, as well as production. Relapse was a great album, I don't give a fuck what anyone says. I still find myself bumping tracks from Relapse occasionally, because sometimes I'll just be in that kind of mood. He sounded very sure of himself as well, thoughts off the wall. I hate to say that the Recovery Eminem is trying to sound like his peers while trying to keep his own style, while Relapse he was just doing what he wanted to do, his own thing

They're two parts to his comeback. About the only thing Relapse was missing was the emotion, which he fixed on Recovery. The accents weren't that great either, but I had gotten so used to them that they eventually didn't bother me

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Bagpipes from Baghdad is still beautiful to listen to

His flow is perfect on this. He lands every syllable on-beat.

It almost sounds robotic.

Despite the wack accent... I still like it. Third verse is dope as fuck. I remember laughing at "Titty-fucking you 'till your breast nipple flesh tickles my testicles." That's a brilliant line.

The beat is really good, too.

Yeah I fucking love this song.

I guess how much you're into Relapse could largely be down to how much you're into flow also. I don't listen to it and think "oh, stupid shit he's talking about", it's all about the execution. Which is awesome.

I love "Medicine Ball" flow too, addictive as hell.

Sorry for double posting, but I just had to add that Bagpipes From Baghdad was one of my favorites. He flowed so easily with it, it was insane. The "titty fuck you 'til your breast nipple flesh tickles my testicles" made me laugh my ass off when I first heard it. Every beat on Relapse he rides almost flawlessly, and Bagpipes (despite the wack subject) was overall very dope

I've never liked Medicine Ball that much though
I just think it's kinda annoying, it was about the only song I'd skip almost every time it came on. That and Hello, and before people jump on me for saying this, just know that I think all of his verses are extremely dope in Hello, but I don't like his voice or execution on it, and the hook to me was cringe-worthy