Is stan em's best song ever?

[buffalo bill]

"it's like they're not even rap songs" - well they are. They are rap songs taken to an entirely new level by a genius.

[classthe_king]

"it's like they're not even rap songs" - well they are. They are rap songs taken to an entirely new level by a genius.

I don't think it's genius, I think they're shit. I skipped them every single time when I used to listen to Eminem

[Cam_24]

HELLZ no
anything on MMLP would be the best

Stan is on MMLP . . .


And no, I'd probably say its his 4th best song behind Rock Bottom, SFTM and Renegade

wow i feel like the stupidest dumb ass in the world

well anything other then stan on mmlp is better

How do you know? You didn't even know what songs are on MMLP before opening this thread.

[Tranquil]

i never really liked stan i listened to it today and i enjoyed it more then i use to, but i dont think its his best song imo

[ajthongbam]

Well, if you dont think stan or kim is a rap song then take them as some work of art derived from rap and high quality lyricism. DWTD lacks the cinematic feel of stan or kim, it doesnt grab your ear as much as any of them. I love IT and DWTD but he tells his stories as a narrator and he cant capture the character enough to make it seem more realistic,unlike em.

[Slim's Shady]

^ Hit the nail on the head

[Ella]

No. Rock Bottom is Eminem's best song. Rhyming, flow, subject, emotion, imagery, the beat, the chorus... It's all there, executed perfectly. Nothing Eminem has ever done (or will do) comes close to the magic he's captured on this song.

co-fckn-sign

Stan also mistakenly referred to Phil Collin's "In The Air Tonight" as...... "In The Air Of The Night"

^ That was clearly deliberate

o i see Lool.. that line always annoyed me cos i thought he made a mistake

[Slim's Shady]

Fack is better than Ass Like That... but thats it

Its easily his best song...what planet do you live on??


its so original and has an incredible flow and lots of replay value.

10/10.

His best song is Foolish Pride or gtfo.

[Slim's Shady]

SMFH

[ajthongbam]

it's like they're not even rap songs, they're just him in a situation happening to be rhyming,

And therein lies the genius of the songs. Very few lyricists can achieve that effect. Not Immortal Technique.

and maybe that's why you like them because they seem like a real situation but I don't really like listening to them.

Well, the fact that you don't like the execution or find its overall sound unpleasant shouldn't detract from how well-written/crafted the lyrics are, right?

You prefer lyrics, don't you?

I think Stan is the only song that contends with Dance With The Devil but the twist in DWTD is better than Stans so it's wow effect gives it the edge.

No, Stan is a much, much better song.

Dance With The Devil is a simple third-person narration. Stan is a CONCEPT song and it's in-character. He's writing/rapping in letter form. Making it actually sound like a letter, while making Stan sound like an obsessed fan, WHILE rhyming well... is muuuuuch harder than a simple third-person narration ("Billy did this... Billy did that").

Stan is a much-better linked song and it's so much more detailed. Everything Stan says either foreshadows something that is said later, or it is linked later. For example, Stan doesn't say he's going to name his daughter Bonnie for no reason... because Eminem later links back to it: "I'm really flattered you'd call your daughter that."

He doesn't say his girlfriend is pregnant for no reason, it is linked: "You said your girlfriend's pregnant now"/"He has his girlfriend in the back, and she was pregnant with his kid."

He doesn't say "We should be together too" for no reason, as that is later linked.

To cut a long story short, every line in "Stan" is there for a reason. There are plenty of lines in Dance with the Devil that don't need to be there.

To add to that... Stan has a clear, powerful message. Dance with the Devil doesn't really seem to have a message (don't rape people or you'll go to hell?).

And given all the constraints Eminem set for himself in "Stan," he still managed to rhyme better than Immortal Technique. Immortal Technique mostly rhymes one syllable throughout the entire song.

P.S.: Dance with the Devil has a really unrealistic overall feel to it. When they see the woman walking on the street, Billy can't recognize her as his mother? This is before they put a shirt over her face, BTW.

It's fucking retarded that Billy didn't see his mother's face before they reached her and put a shirt over it.

You're the best poster i've seen here with embase and one mic

[Slim's Shady]

SMFH

Am i not entittled to my own opinion?

NO.

Foolish Pride > Fack.

[SweT]

It is one of the biggest

[EminemBase]

No, Stan is a much, much better song.

Dance With The Devil is a simple third-person narration. Stan is a CONCEPT song and it's in-character. He's writing/rapping in letter form. Making it actually sound like a letter, while making Stan sound like an obsessed fan, WHILE rhyming well... is muuuuuch harder than a simple third-person narration ("Billy did this... Billy did that").

Stan is a much-better linked song and it's so much more detailed. Everything Stan says either foreshadows something that is said later, or it is linked later. For example, Stan doesn't say he's going to name his daughter Bonnie for no reason... because Eminem later links back to it: "I'm really flattered you'd call your daughter that."

He doesn't say his girlfriend is pregnant for no reason, it is linked: "You said your girlfriend's pregnant now"/"He has his girlfriend in the back, and she was pregnant with his kid."

He doesn't say "We should be together too" for no reason, as that is later linked.

To cut a long story short, every line in "Stan" is there for a reason. There are plenty of lines in Dance with the Devil that don't need to be there.

To add to that... Stan has a clear, powerful message. Dance with the Devil doesn't really seem to have a message (don't rape people or you'll go to hell?).

And given all the constraints Eminem set for himself in "Stan," he still managed to rhyme better than Immortal Technique. Immortal Technique mostly rhymes one syllable throughout the entire song.

P.S.: Dance with the Devil has a really unrealistic overall feel to it. When they see the woman walking on the street, Billy can't recognize her as his mother? This is before they put a shirt over her face, BTW.

It's fucking retarded that Billy didn't see his mother's face before they reached her and put a shirt over it.

Exactly.

[Trimss]

I think Billy didn't saw his mother's head because he was in the back or something like that. (Well, i understood it in that way)
I agree, Stan is a masterpiece. But Dance with the devil.. well, you can actually see the story, like it's a movie, you know?
He uses good words and stuff like that.
+ the end gave me chills first time, and it still does.

Immortal Technique also has another good/sad song, "you never know". Anyway it's offtopic.

Stan use to be my favorite song, especially when he performs it. "I even got a tatoo with your name across my chest"

+ the song brought a new word to call em' fans.

[EminemBase]

I think Billy didn't saw his mother's head because he was in the back or something like that. (Well, i understood it in that way)
I agree, Stan is a masterpiece. But Dance with the devil.. well, you can actually see the story, like it's a movie, you know?
He uses good words and stuff like that.
+ the end gave me chills first time, and it still does.

Immortal Technique also has another good/sad song, "you never know". Anyway it's offtopic.

Stan use to be my favorite song, especially when he performs it. "I even got a tatoo with your name across my chest"

+ the song brought a new word to call em' fans.

You can see the story of Stan also ?

And it's even more realistic and brought to life because he's actually acting out the actual scenes and thoughts 'as they happen', the song is real-time. It's much more powerful.