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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby EminemInsider » Nov 18th, '10, 01:02

Mxracer6y wrote:The thing you dont understand is people make up excuses. I'm sure the pills played a part in his downfall in the recent years, no where near 100%. In fact, the pills came as a result of other shit that was going on in his life. He turned to pills to deal with his problems. Not the other way around.


Everyone has problems. Eminem used those problems to fuel his music. It wasn't until the drugs destroyed his ability to rap that his music turned to shit. I don't see what you're trying to argue here.


But at the same time the pills caused even more problems. Its a vicious cycle, the pills continue to bring you down while you think otherwise. He'd also been on pills and other drugs during the time of MMLP and TES and other shit. He just wasnt ABUSING them near as bad or as frequently. THATS where things went bad.


Occasional, recreational use and addiction to where you're taking so many pills every single day you lose count (just to not feel sick) aren't even compatible. It's not even worth mentioning.

People always say "he wuz on drugz be4!!!111" as a way of mitigating the effect of his addiction, and it's complete horse shit. Smoking a blunt and popping a vicodin while hanging out one night while you're touring isn't the same as popping 20 valiums, ambiens, and vicodins every day. Dose is the poison. These ARE prescription drugs, after all. They have medicinal uses.


When you continually hear people say negative things about you, its easy to come up with a reason why or an excuse. Its much easier to blame the pills than to blame himself.


Fact:

From 1994-2002, Eminem was a rap phenomenon. From 2004-2007, he was so bad it was mind-boggling. Oh, lookie here...he just happens to ALSO be pill-popping himself into a coma. But who am I to jump to cause-and-effect conclusions?

Nooooo. And when he got sober, his music miraculously got much better. Shocking.

Coming from someone who has tried just about every type of drug(except for the hard shit, ie. heroine.. pcp.. etc) I've eaten all types of pills.. sniffed them... the whole works. I can sit here and tell you that theres no fucking way em can sit there and blame pills for 100% of his problems.


Spoken like a true stoner. "Illicit drug use isn't as bad for you as they say, maaaaaaaan."

Were you ADDICTED to ambien, vicodin, valium, and methadone for 5 years? Did you overdose and wind up in a hospital 2 hours away from death? If not, I don't see how your situation is even close to being congruent with his. Recreational drug use is NOT what we're talking about here.

Sometimes substances bring out the REAL you... the you that you wouldn't let anyone know existed otherwise. You stop giving a shit about what people have to say or think about you, nothing is important anymore.


And that's the REAL you? The REAL you is someone who doesn't give a shit about what people say or think about you, and the REAL you thinks nothing is important anymore?

That's exactly my point. You basing all your information from a third person perspective. How could you possibly think that is accurate information? Just because he SAID it, doesn't mean you can take that for 100% factual information. You can only get an IDEA of what it MAY have been like. Like peaking through a window. Someone could hand you a box and tell you the holy grail is inside. You could take his word for it... but unless youve opened the box and looked for yourself, how do you know for sure? Someone could give you a cup of coffee and tell you its very hot........ anyway, you get the idea.
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I also saw the effects from the outside...from the perspective of someone who listened to his music and interviews and had a "before" and "after" to compare. It's jarring. Before I saw Marshall Mathers/Eminem, the most brilliant rapper on the planet. After the drug use, I saw a dough-faced zombie who was dropping a card with questions to ask 50 Cent, struggling to form a single sentence, and the music...OH, the MUSIC....

No amount of "personal problems" (which were actually FUEL for Eminem, in his own words) or "writers block" is going to turn the rapper who made "Sing For the Moment" and "Lose Yourself" into the rapper who makes "Puke" and "My First Single."
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby Kez » Nov 18th, '10, 02:07

Fa-Q wrote:I remember each and every one of you, "Why can't he just have "The Way I Am" style...that's all I ask...well now you have it and complain. I fuckin hate you guys foreal. Bunch of bleeding cunts you guys are.


I'm sorry i didn't realise that every single member on this forum was stupid enough to complain about the voice he uses on his music. I didn't realise that it was infact all of us and not a minority of whiny Stans, and i also didn't realise that people would use this delusion to feel superior even though they weren't exactly such a pariah that they would be the sole member to go against the rest of the entire forum when they (apparently) collectively said this and can now try and force-feed everyone humble pie.

Anyone who suggested he should change his voice he uses is an idiot; sure i didn't care for the accents but i wasn't saying "this is what Eminem needs to do" like i know best. I even accepted that on some songs it sounds good, such as Bagpipes from Baghdad and some of the others on Relapse. Plus, Relapse had plenty of songs with his normal voice, Insane being an often-overlooked example. The fact that they are idiots alone strips any credence from their claims, making it even less likely that Eminem would actually give a fuck. Plus, only the likes of SacJB are the type to constantly question every aspect of Eminem's music repeatedly.

But equally, i find it very hard to believe Eminem is apparently so thin-skinned that he changes his entire rap style based on what people say. I can't see Eminem being like "oh god my fans dont love me anymore i must change my style" especially when you consider that Relapse was still one of the best-sellers of 2009. Plus, to change your entire rap style is something that i think many of you are understating; honestly, that's not something i could see him doing just to appease a minority of people. Especially not Eminem of all people. And especially not when you consider that he can put out anything and it will sell like hot cakes laced with cocaine (as Relapse and Encore proved).

Unless he's just become the antithesis of what he once was of course, which the whole "do love songs with Rihanna and collab with Drake and Lil Wayne" would support, not to mention the cheeseball Not Afraid and popular rap imitation. Infact that's the funny thing cause if anything he changed his style on Recovery to be more successful, many of you who take pleasure in making out it's all the fans' fault (even when you're part of that demographic yourselves) overlook this; the cliche punchlines reek of someone who's studied Lil Wayne for the year he spent out to make the album, and Not Afraid and Love The Way You Lie are probably the most cliche songs in his catalogue. Now you can't tell me the terrible members of TRShady sat on here and complained saying they wanted him to do that. You wanna make out we all sat here and went "boy i hope Eminem does a song with Rihanna" or "you know what i would love to hear from Em? The story of how he overcame his addiction to prescription pills and how inspiring it is to the average joe"

Plus it's stupid to even suggest that people being unsatisfied with the Relapse voice is the reason he changed his style; what about The Re-Up voice? I mean that was back in 2006. Or wait, did he do it then cause we said we were sick of hearing fart noises on Encore? Yeah, gotta be our fault right lol, God forbid Em make the choices about his music himself without first taking advice from us. And obviously it wasn't the whole pneumonia thing or the overdosing.

And in regards to Deja Vu, i agree with those who said it's probably his most well-rounded song since he has come back. That song just seemed effortless, which was something i enjoyed and something i haven't felt since. Everything on Recovery, though i like it, sounds like it took lots of effort to make. Whether it's the whole "i'm really pissed off about nothing in particular" voice or the clearly forced punchlines. Most of Relapse flowed much more neatly than Recovery.

Some of you guys fucking piss me off sometimes.
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby nkjordan23 » Nov 18th, '10, 02:08

:facepalm

I never post on here, but you fuckers make me sick reading your whiny ass shit. I pray to God he doesnt read any of this type of shit.

People were bitching a year ago about accents and tones. Now, he gives you that emotional, angry ass tone and you all bitch. Get fucking real. The guy is pouring all of his energy into these tracks and at the same time murdering people. His rhymes have been some of the best I have heard with the exception of the Roman's Revenge track.

What is it going to take for you guys to be happy? The guy isnt going back to 2002 and you shouldn't either.

And to the asshole who said 25 To Life is unlistenable, you are a complete fucking fool. I won't even go into detail why, but Never Enough doesnt have shit on it. Theres no reason to explain...

I'll take an angry, emotional Em any day. Give me a full length album with it along with some Dre beats...jaws will drop.
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby da r star » Nov 18th, '10, 03:21

It's not just Eminem fans guys.

Today my brother told me "Hey, what's wrong with Eminem, why is he shouting on every tracks now?"

Oh and people, pleaaaaase don't ever compare The Way I Am to what he is doing today. Not only does it sound 10x better than what he does today, The Way I Am's flow was a one time thing.

The problem I have with Eminem post 2004, is that he lost his versatility. Even if Encore was a subpar album, there's different flows and different voice sounding on there. On Relapse, there were different accents, but still too much of them some time. In his last few songs and some a lot of Recovery, his voice sounds the same, always the same kind of shouting. The Way I Am and let's say Amityville both contain shooting, but they are still different kind of shouting.

AND not only does he shouts constantly now, the real big problem? It just doesn't sound good....and the lyrics are no where near what they use to. Simple case of dumbing down for the audience...
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby EminemInsider » Nov 18th, '10, 05:28

Geno wrote:^ Yeah well no one wants goofy songs, no one wants poppy singles (like TRSS, WMY, WM, etc.), no one wants accents, they wanted Em to be emotional.

How is Em supposed to show emotion? By yelling and getting aggressive.

Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you just might get it - Eminem

See, he warned us on Relapse bonus tracks.


If his voice sounded as good as it did on Insane or Underground, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Trust me; there's an Eminem voice everyone (well, his FANS anyway) likes. You never heard any of his fans complaining about his voice on Lose Yourself or Sing For the Moment or The Way I Am or Criminal, and for good reason.
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby BigBangBazinga » Nov 18th, '10, 11:56

nkjordan23 wrote::facepalm

I never post on here, but you fuckers make me sick reading your whiny ass shit. I pray to God he doesnt read any of this type of shit.

People were bitching a year ago about accents and tones. Now, he gives you that emotional, angry ass tone and you all bitch. Get fucking real. The guy is pouring all of his energy into these tracks and at the same time murdering people. His rhymes have been some of the best I have heard with the exception of the Roman's Revenge track.

What is it going to take for you guys to be happy? The guy isnt going back to 2002 and you shouldn't either.

And to the asshole who said 25 To Life is unlistenable, you are a complete fucking fool. I won't even go into detail why, but Never Enough doesnt have shit on it. Theres no reason to explain...

I'll take an angry, emotional Em any day. Give me a full length album with it along with some Dre beats...jaws will drop.



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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Nov 18th, '10, 14:39

Shadyfreak wrote:
nkjordan23 wrote::facepalm

I never post on here, but you fuckers make me sick reading your whiny ass shit. I pray to God he doesnt read any of this type of shit.

People were bitching a year ago about accents and tones. Now, he gives you that emotional, angry ass tone and you all bitch. Get fucking real. The guy is pouring all of his energy into these tracks and at the same time murdering people. His rhymes have been some of the best I have heard with the exception of the Roman's Revenge track.

What is it going to take for you guys to be happy? The guy isnt going back to 2002 and you shouldn't either.

And to the asshole who said 25 To Life is unlistenable, you are a complete fucking fool. I won't even go into detail why, but Never Enough doesnt have shit on it. Theres no reason to explain...

I'll take an angry, emotional Em any day. Give me a full length album with it along with some Dre beats...jaws will drop.



WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD!


He really said Never Enough is better than 25 To Life?
That's fucking hilarious :laughing:
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby KingDavid » Nov 18th, '10, 15:20

Wow man, I just read this whole thread... holey fuck you people need 2 stop being such bitches! Upon reading the thread title - I thought it was going to be in support , saying he sounds like he did on pills, but he aint no more so yay! but instead we get this bullcrap? Honestly I think Em is in his harshest... but it's true we all love em's sound like on "underground." I would love to hear some flows like dat'
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Nov 18th, '10, 15:46

KingDavid wrote:Wow man, I just read this whole thread... holey fuck you people need 2 stop being such bitches! Upon reading the thread title - I thought it was going to be in support , saying he sounds like he did on pills, but he aint no more so yay! but instead we get this bullcrap? Honestly I think Em is in his harshest... but it's true we all love em's sound like on "underground." I would love to hear some flows like dat'


I agree, at least he SOUNDS hungry, SOUNDS angry
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby Berry » Nov 18th, '10, 16:14

MY EMINMZ WONT WRAP THE WAI I WANT

I think some of you guys need some help of some sort, to get over this fascination or obsession you have with a certain tone in his voice.

Well that's a bit harsh isn't Berry? Nope, some of you have written three to four paragraphs on his so called 'shouting'. But HAI, if you really want Marshal to understand your feelings on his current rap style then tweet to Royce about it, he's the only one who may pass the criticism on to Em. :flower:
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby Emadyville » Nov 18th, '10, 17:25

EminemInsider wrote:
Geno wrote:^ Yeah well no one wants goofy songs, no one wants poppy singles (like TRSS, WMY, WM, etc.), no one wants accents, they wanted Em to be emotional.

How is Em supposed to show emotion? By yelling and getting aggressive.

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See, he warned us on Relapse bonus tracks.


If his voice sounded as good as it did on Insane or Underground, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Trust me; there's an Eminem voice everyone (well, his FANS anyway) likes. You never heard any of his fans complaining about his voice on Lose Yourself or Sing For the Moment or The Way I Am or Criminal, and for good reason.


actually a good point, tho peoples voices do change naturally over time, I mean just look at sslp, mmlp, and tes, well even encore on his normal voiced songs, he sounds differently on each album even tho he isn't doing accents or purposely changing his voice, just wanted to throw that out there :whistle:
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby TheHundred$ » Nov 18th, '10, 17:46

I think we should have let Em take his natural course with Relapse, Relapse 2..

He would have realized it was redundant on his own and he would keep the same style rapping and just not use the accents.. I personally think us steering him towards Recovery changed everything..

If you think about it.. Relapse has an Eminem feel to it, it's him doing himself.. It's concept songs and nice flow.

Then we complained about it... We should have known Em was smart enough to change his sound every album like he naturally does.. Relapse 2 wouldn't have had accents.. it would have had its own signature sound..

Now we have got it in his head and he is self conscious so he is not doing himself anymore.. He is trying to please us.. when we never should have been complaining in the first place.
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby shadyboymez » Nov 18th, '10, 17:46

personally, i think eminem is still regaining his form, and on songs like Echo, All She Wrote & Living Proof he sounds better than he has in a very long time, maybe it's just me :confusion:
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby da r star » Nov 18th, '10, 18:17

TheHundred$ wrote:I think we should have let Em take his natural course with Relapse, Relapse 2..

He would have realized it was redundant on his own and he would keep the same style rapping and just not use the accents.. I personally think us steering him towards Recovery changed everything..

If you think about it.. Relapse has an Eminem feel to it, it's him doing himself.. It's concept songs and nice flow.

Then we complained about it... We should have known Em was smart enough to change his sound every album like he naturally does.. Relapse 2 wouldn't have had accents.. it would have had its own signature sound..

Now we have got it in his head and he is self conscious so he is not doing himself anymore.. He is trying to please us.. when we never should have been complaining in the first place.


This.

Recovery is a better album then Relapse, no doubt. But Relapse actually felt like an Eminem album, it felt voluntary. The accents as dumb as they were sometimes were HIS idea, HIS creation. He wasn't trying to please no one but him.

When I listen to Relapse, some songs I don't like but I still feel I'm listening to Eminem. But when I listen to Recovery even if some songs are good I feel like I'm listening to "this guy" who I have no idea who he is.
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Re: Eminem's voice is back to full-blown "pills" sound

Postby MikeNUFC » Nov 18th, '10, 18:22

xxTrigger1989xx wrote:You can like what you like, but you cannot say that it's a bad song, because it's not

Did you really spend about 5 posts saying how you should accept someone's opinion then write you "cannot say 25 To Life is a bad song"? Why cant YOU accept their opinion that it's a bad song?

25 To Life is so overrated on these boards its ridiculous. I was fooled into thinking it was an amazing song on first few listens then I really took of my 'Excited About Recovery Leak' glasses and saw it was nothing special.

His rhyming is not amazing as you seem to think. Just because you think he "has multies throughout" doesnt mean the rhyming is any good - in fact it doesnt have even have multies throughout - "stayed/paid", "step/breath/depth/left/wept/set", "laugh/half", "snap/rap/that" among quite a few other monosyllabic rhymes - the second verse is full of them.

The only good multie on the whole song is "sacrifices that I made/acted right I would have stayed" which is impressive. I suppose "heard you yet/deserve respect/perfectness" is nice as well. It goes downhill from there though - the rest of the multies are relatively simple.

There's no real storytelling in the song (to the person who said that) and the concept is one of the most played-out in hip-hop.





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