Gangsta Rap=Dead?

[ThomasJ]

hope the doc brings that shit back up,by him telling some great hood story's.

Here we go...
Once upon a time, not long ago
I fucked a few bitches, smoked a lot of dro
In my '64 Impala up in Hollywood
Bitches hoppin' in 'cause the ride is good
But some B.G. wanksta was mislead
So I filled his motherfuckin' chest with lead
Snoop said : "Nigga, I'm broke and in need of cash"
So I signed his skinny ass to Death Row fast

lolwut?

[mcZu]

''Gangsterrap is nothing but an oxymoron.'' - Joe Budden

And if you want to know why? A gangster won't talk about his business on a track, because then he would only be endangering himself. That's like a murderer confessing on a song, telling every single person that listens to his music that he's guilty of certain illegal things. A real gangster would never do that. So, in my opinion, gangsta rap never existed. All there is, is a mixture of horrorcore, violent lyrics, and an attitude delivery in those songs.

[stillmatic]

''Gangsterrap is nothing but an oxymoron.'' - Joe Budden

And if you want to know why? A gangster won't talk about his business on a track, because then he would only be endangering himself. That's like a murderer confessing on a song, telling every single person that listens to his music that he's guilty of certain illegal things. A real gangster would never do that. So, in my opinion, gangsta rap never existed. All there is, is a mixture of horrorcore, violent lyrics, and an attitude delivery in those songs.

Disagree completely.

Gangsta rap is about depicting actual inner-city struggles, it reflects the lifestyles of people in the inner-city. Gangsta rap is about the person adopting a character and narrating the struggles, trials and tribulations and their experiences, it's building 4 minute screenplays - this is when Gangsta rap was at it's prime.

The violence and attitude are just attributes within gangsta rap, because not every song has the same type of violence lyrics, and there was a great variety in the attitudes of the artists in the music.

For example, compare some well known gangsta rap songs like Tupac's Brenda's got a baby, Ice Cube's Today was a good day, Geto Boys' So you wanna be a gangster and NWA's Fvck the Police....they are completely different types of songs, with hardly anything in common - and all fall in the genre of gangsta rap. That's how gangsta rap was. Now it just sounds the same.

[mcZu]

''Gangsterrap is nothing but an oxymoron.'' - Joe Budden

And if you want to know why? A gangster won't talk about his business on a track, because then he would only be endangering himself. That's like a murderer confessing on a song, telling every single person that listens to his music that he's guilty of certain illegal things. A real gangster would never do that. So, in my opinion, gangsta rap never existed. All there is, is a mixture of horrorcore, violent lyrics, and an attitude delivery in those songs.

Disagree completely.

Gangsta rap is about depicting actual inner-city struggles, it reflects the lifestyles of people in the inner-city. Gangsta rap is about the person adopting a character and narrating the struggles, trials and tribulations and their experiences, it's building 4 minute screenplays - this is when Gangsta rap was at it's prime.

The violence and attitude are just attributes within gangsta rap, because not every song has the same type of violence lyrics, and there was a great variety in the attitudes of the artists in the music.

For example, compare some well known gangsta rap songs like Tupac's Brenda's got a baby, Ice Cube's Today was a good day, Geto Boys' So you wanna be a gangster and NWA's Fvck the Police....they are completely different types of songs, with hardly anything in common - and all fall in the genre of gangsta rap. That's how gangsta rap was. Now it just sounds the same.

I don't see those songs as gangsta rap. You can't chalk a song that has nothing to do with being a gangsta under gangsta rap just because the rapper who made that song happens to be a gangsta rapper. See, you're trying to justify the sub-genre as being a good thing, and something that gave back to the community. The only problem is, is that I don't acknowledge that sub-genre. I'm not talking about the music that falls under that catogory, nor am I talking about the artists that embraced that sub-genre, I'm talking about the fact that the terminology in essence is false. Not everybody that is living in a ghetto, and is dealing with struggles, is a gangsta.

[EminemBase]

It's not dead, it's just in critical condition. Which I'm glad of.

[Tornado]

Zu's 1st post summed it up.It's been overdone to death aswell, hence why a new sound is so "different".
As far as depicting inner-city struggling and lifestyles, taht don't make a song gangster, loads of artists make tunes bout this and don't have to resort to talking shit

[macdaddy019967]

hope the doc brings that shit back up,by him telling some great hood story's.

Amen.

if the Doc don't bring it back, no one will

[stillmatic]

I don't see those songs as gangsta rap. You can't chalk a song that has nothing to do with being a gangsta under gangsta rap just because the rapper who made that song happens to be a gangsta rapper. See, you're trying to justify the sub-genre as being a good thing, and something that gave back to the community. The only problem is, is that I don't acknowledge that sub-genre. I'm not talking about the music that falls under that catogory, nor am I talking about the artists that embraced that sub-genre, I'm talking about the fact that the terminology in essence is false. Not everybody that is living in a ghetto, and is dealing with struggles, is a gangsta.

What? How are those songs not gangsta rap, I think it's quite clear they are gangsta rap, they define the broad range of gangsta rap and personify the methods behind gangsta rap. Every single one of them comes from artists that are clearly for the majority of their careers been exclusively gangsta rap - Tupac, Ice Cube, Geto Boys and NWA - that is amongst the elite of gangsta rap.

I think you are missing the roots behind Gangsta rap and the logistics behind it, I think you seem to believe that only songs about violence in an aggressive tone are gangsta rap, NO, that it is completely wrong.

I never ever said that anyone living in the ghetto and dealing with struggles qualifies as gangsta rap, that would imply that the likes of Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common etc. are gangsta rap, no they are not, it's how you express it which defines it. In fact what you're trying to raise here was my argument before about gangsta rap being overexposed, in that these new rappers thought by doing that and putting heavy beats that it qualifies as gangsta rap, no it doesn't.

You are really over-simplifying the term "gangsta" as well, that seems to be at the root of the misunderstanding. Just because the name of a certain sub-genre is in many ways clutching at straws, doesn't mean the music behind it is. Almost every sub-genre in Hip Hop has a stupid name though.

Anyone who clearly wants this sub-genre to die doesn't understand how much great and important it was for Hip Hop, think about the mid 90's when gangsta rap was at it's peak, not todays, and then come back and talk.

[mcZu]

What? How are those songs not gangsta rap, I think it's quite clear they are gangsta rap, they define the broad range of gangsta rap and personify the methods behind gangsta rap. Every single one of them comes from artists that are clearly for the majority of their careers been exclusively gangsta rap - Tupac, Ice Cube, Geto Boys and NWA - that is amongst the elite of gangsta rap.

I think you are missing the roots behind Gangsta rap and the logistics behind it, I think you seem to believe that only songs about violence in an aggressive tone are gangsta rap, NO, that it is completely wrong.

I never ever said that anyone living in the ghetto and dealing with struggles qualifies as gangsta rap, that would imply that the likes of Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common etc. are gangsta rap, no they are not, it's how you express it which defines it. In fact what you're trying to raise here was my argument before about gangsta rap being overexposed, in that these new rappers thought by doing that and putting heavy beats that it qualifies as gangsta rap, no it doesn't.

You are really over-simplifying the term "gangsta" as well, that seems to be at the root of the misunderstanding. Just because the name of a certain sub-genre is in many ways clutching at straws, doesn't mean the music behind it is. Almost every sub-genre in Hip Hop has a stupid name though.

Anyone who clearly wants this sub-genre to die doesn't understand how much great and important it was for Hip Hop, think about the mid 90's when gangsta rap was at it's peak, not todays, and then come back and talk.

Can you read? I said I don't acknowledge gangsta rap. I never questioned their existence, nor their pressence and impact, I simply do not believe that that specific sub-genre should be called gangsta rap. 'Gangsta' rappers seem to refer to everything that can be described as a struggle in the hood as gangsta, which I find stupid, because there is nothing gangsta about that. Living life in a gang, and then starting to rat yourself out on a track isn't 'gangsta' either. Basically, I think that the whole sub genre is plain stupid. Granted, there are a lot of good songs from these so called 'gangsta' rappers, however, that doesn't take away that the sub genre has a false and oxymoronic terminology. It may be acknowledged by the majority, but I, simply, do not acknowledge it is a being a form of this music genre. That doesn't mean I don't listen to those artists, because, to me, they are just Hip Hop artists.