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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Shady50 » Nov 24th, '10, 02:46

Francesco10 wrote:You're wrong, Em and Dre worked with Stat for nearly 5 years. They tried in 3 different years and he just wouldn't get the right buzz. Stat fucked up on another level too, he unintentionally got Em offended with a stupid joke, about a single of theirs. He had great chances but couldn't deliver. All his fault.
Em worked on Obie's both albums to the full, he was all involved in the second one and gave him great beats and feats, it was just that Obie was the underdog because EM and 50 was killing the Billboard at the time. His alubm is definitely underrated but it was all done perfect for it from EM and Interscope in general. I was explaining here the other day, it's hard to fit artists in between mega albums Em and 50 was doing. Shady was always about fitting whover in, not expanding all the time like other labels.
See Interscope is all about sales, Em not at all, if it was for EM, Obie would stay for life, matter a fact he's still part of the Shady family, just not on the label.

On Obie's Second album Em didn't have hardly any features and that's really the only thing most Em fans care about anyway. I agree with you on Stat though. He fucked himself. I still think no matter who Em signs, he could make them big by having tons of features on their album like with Cheers. That's pretty much the whole reason that album was successful because of Em's features on it.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Shady50 » Nov 24th, '10, 04:37

Francesco10 wrote:
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Francesco10 wrote:You're wrong, Em and Dre worked with Stat for nearly 5 years. They tried in 3 different years and he just wouldn't get the right buzz. Stat fucked up on another level too, he unintentionally got Em offended with a stupid joke, about a single of theirs. He had great chances but couldn't deliver. All his fault.
Em worked on Obie's both albums to the full, he was all involved in the second one and gave him great beats and feats, it was just that Obie was the underdog because EM and 50 was killing the Billboard at the time. His alubm is definitely underrated but it was all done perfect for it from EM and Interscope in general. I was explaining here the other day, it's hard to fit artists in between mega albums Em and 50 was doing. Shady was always about fitting whover in, not expanding all the time like other labels.
See Interscope is all about sales, Em not at all, if it was for EM, Obie would stay for life, matter a fact he's still part of the Shady family, just not on the label.

On Obie's Second album Em didn't have hardly any features and that's really the only thing most Em fans care about anyway. I agree with you on Stat though. He fucked himself. I still think no matter who Em signs, he could make them big by having tons of features on their album like with Cheers. That's pretty much the whole reason that album was successful because of Em's features on it.


That's not the case though, because EM said this time he'll let Obie be Obie because he don't wanna overshadow him like he did on Cheers. It was the point, I know fans care about EM been on the album all the time, but he can't be like he was on Cheers with all his artists. Obie got just enough feats. not half of the album like it was on Cheers. Plus EM got him a whole army of hot other feats so like I said it was all perfectly set for Obie. Plus Em was putting Obie on his solo, D12's ablum and even on Pac's and BIggie's albums before that, so tell me what could EM do better that that to put Obie on for his second album. It was a great album, just that Obie would never have the comercial appeal Jimmy needs on Interscope, just like the rest they dropped.
I hate to say it but Em just needs to do with Shady like what Wayne does with Young Money.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby FreeSpeech » Nov 24th, '10, 04:42

"I hate to say it but Em just needs to do with Shady like what Wayne does with Young Money."

What, whore it out and sign Lil Chucky and the other dozen random dudes? Wayne, Drake, Tyga, and Nicki are the only YM artists worth anything. Em needs to make moves, but not sign 12 year olds.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Shady50 » Nov 24th, '10, 04:47

slimshady10 wrote:"I hate to say it but Em just needs to do with Shady like what Wayne does with Young Money."

What, whore it out and sign Lil Chucky and the other dozen random dudes? Wayne, Drake, Tyga, and Nicki are the only YM artists worth anything. Em needs to make moves, but not sign 12 year olds.

I didn't say sign 12 year olds retard. I mean sign artist that can get hype with the mainstream and work with them instead of signing all these ganster ass rappers that can't get any hype.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Shady50 » Nov 24th, '10, 21:27

Francesco10 wrote:Nope, EM definitely should not do to Shady what Wayne did to YM, definitely not. Shady's way over YM and always was, I hate to say what EM SHOULD do like all y'all here love saying, because they know better, but I guess EM, 50, D12 and hopefully Slaughterhouse + Bad meets Evil is way enough for Shady. Way enough for now, when EM stops for a second, or when 50's not on Shady anymore maybe then EM needs to look for new artists, if someone big doesn't appear in between. If we count Cashis and Slim Da Mobster on the roster as well then Shady's full for now. YM has only Wayne, (who's on Cash Money originally) Drake and at some point Nicky. All the rest is fillers that flop all the time, even Tyga flopped pretty bad. It's like Mac, Bow Wow, Tyga, Gudda Gudda, Lil Twist or whatever his name is, etc. etc. won't have any chance to get on Shady/Interscope.
YM is an all out label that if you go platinum, then the label wins big time. Shady/Interscope is a label where if you go just platinum, someting is wrong and if you can't get there you're on your way out.

Well Interscope shouldn't be such tightwads. That's not Em's fault that Interscope sucks. That's why Shady Records sould go independent.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby shadysecret » Nov 24th, '10, 23:09

50 Cent, D12, Cashis, Slim Da Mobster, Slaughterhouse are the only ones now that are signed to Shady Records right?????????
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby momentisgolden » Dec 1st, '10, 12:38

Gotta agree with the title. Besides the other artists, Eminem himself has potential to sell so much more than he currently is. "No love" is too big (and good) a track to flop. The use of social media gave Kanye such a buzz, has worked for T.I and made Gaga the biggest artist on the fucking globe. Yet Eminem has not even in the least taped into its potential. E.g, his twitter is rarely updated and he Facebook does not even have a COMPLETE discography. :facepalm

With the artists they got now... Eminem can literally change the direction Hip-hop will go from now.
slimshady10 wrote:Em needs to make moves, but not sign 12 year olds.
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At least it seems the label gonna be releasing good music. :coffee:
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Tranquil » Dec 1st, '10, 14:09

Francesco10 wrote:
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xxTrigger1989xx wrote:^ Just look at Obie, who was mildly successful, AND he was dope

Once again, when Em fell, his label fell. Obie and Stat were dropped during that phase because Em couldn't get his shit together to focus on his artist. Now that he's back and doing well, the label is profitable again.


Absolutely wrong!
Obie was dropped by Jimmy when his second album sold poorly, and Stat was dropped because he had the best producers and MC's behind him and he couldn't generate enough buzz for him to do good numbers too. They tried with 3 singles and none of them worked.
Same with Busta before his second Aftermath album, and Bishop before his first.

actually Obie left, he didnt get dropped :coffee:
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby momentisgolden » Dec 1st, '10, 14:18

^ agreed. This what Cashis about it...

"That's probably it they didn't want to wait any more," he said in an interview. "Patience is a virtue like you could be upset with your momma, but at the end of the day that's not what you feel. I can't really speak on their situation like why they left or whatever. Obie is my partner straight up he's a real dude. He's doing good so some things are meant to be but I can't speak on other peoples situation. I support them in whatever they do and no one has ever left Shady Records talking really crazy so it's always a mutual split." - SOHH
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby Eminem24 » Dec 1st, '10, 14:25

EM-DZ wrote:Drake is one of the biggest dudes out right now, :facepalm2
Disney rapper :facepalm


Sadly, that's what hip-hop has come to. He definitely is one of the most popular mainstream rappers there is right now. And it seems like he will be around for a long time.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby femzy » Dec 1st, '10, 18:03

Em doesn't own a record label, Paul Rosenberg does. Em just cashes a check from it because it uses his name. In a legal sense it belongs to Paul. Obie was dropped, but the version that came out to the public was that he left voluntarily. Jimmy Iovine was behind that based on the sales of Second Rounds on Me and the lack of activity of Eminem who at the time was going through his personal issues and wasn't expected to return to the spotlight.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby SamiFFXII » Dec 2nd, '10, 17:18

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EM-DZ wrote:Drake is one of the biggest dudes out right now, :facepalm2
Disney rapper :facepalm


That's why I put in the disclaimer, jackass. I don't care if you like him, feel free to listen to all the random underground rappers you want, but if you don't think he is one of the biggest rappers out you are an idiot. Who else is on songs with Em, Kanye, Wayne, Jay Z, TI, J Cole, Rihanna, Alicia Keys and Bun B, just to name a few? If all these people want to work with him, kinda tells ya something, huh?


What apart from working with Em, all those others show he's a commercial whore? You're an idiot if you think Drake is anything above mediocre! Please don't offend us rap listeners by mentioning his name other than critically.
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Dec 2nd, '10, 18:47

SamiFFXII wrote:
slimshady10 wrote:
EM-DZ wrote:Drake is one of the biggest dudes out right now, :facepalm2
Disney rapper :facepalm


That's why I put in the disclaimer, jackass. I don't care if you like him, feel free to listen to all the random underground rappers you want, but if you don't think he is one of the biggest rappers out you are an idiot. Who else is on songs with Em, Kanye, Wayne, Jay Z, TI, J Cole, Rihanna, Alicia Keys and Bun B, just to name a few? If all these people want to work with him, kinda tells ya something, huh?


What apart from working with Em, all those others show he's a commercial whore? You're an idiot if you think Drake is anything above mediocre! Please don't offend us rap listeners by mentioning his name other than critically.


He's not saying Drake is a great rapper...he's saying that Drake is really big right now, like him or hate him, and it's the truth. If Em and Drake were to make a song together (not Forever), then that would bring a lot of Drake fans (and there's A LOT) into Em's music, then maybe create new Em fans

Having Drake's name beside a song is a sure road to success. Regardless of how shitty of a rapper he is (which he's not shitty, he's simply mediocre). You can't deny his success, the only rapper who is "hotter" (as in more popular) right now is Em
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby stella222 » Dec 3rd, '10, 23:29

this speaks for everything ...
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Re: Eminem: Great artist, awful label owner

Postby brenn » Dec 3rd, '10, 23:41

It aint been updated for a few years.
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