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does he know himself?

Postby forsh » Dec 9th, '10, 00:40

'the new me's back to the old me' ..with this lyric it's just clicked with me that he will actually think hes as good as the old him and with all the praise and awards/nominations hes got/getting that he doesn't believe he has a way to go to regain the flow and what not he had back then.

Just wondering whether people think he knows he a way off his old self or what?

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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Berry » Dec 9th, '10, 03:01

I didn't realise that we're all Eminem.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Master Chief » Dec 9th, '10, 03:04

I think hes almost there
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Drucifer » Dec 9th, '10, 03:05

Maybe he thought he was as good as the old him before the nominations???

Or Maybe people will cry enough and he'll start jumping through hoops trying to give people what they want............who's to say

All I know is If Em comes out with his next record, at 40 years old, telling mushroom jokes and making fart sounds, I aint buyin it, it was funny back in the day but by Relapse it was just getting kinda pathetic........... He needs to stay in the more serious direction IMO
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby shadysecret » Dec 9th, '10, 03:08

Eminem knows he's the best, he always has to be #1 on Top of his game.

He already is. The old Eminem is back, drugs and depression changed everything, and a lot. Eminem is still beast. He didn't lose quality yet.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Cecilia21 » Dec 9th, '10, 05:40

So you think he is an idiot or what? :shifty:
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby stella222 » Dec 9th, '10, 10:06

In many ways he's better than the old him. It's not his fault many people aren't able to see it. Just like many people could never see the appeal of his early work, there are people that can't appreciate his recent work. Their loss.
Fortunately he has lots of fans that can appreciate his music.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby mecuryball » Dec 9th, '10, 10:09

shadysecret wrote:Eminem knows he's the best, he always has to be #1 on Top of his game.

He already is. The old Eminem is back, drugs and depression changed everything, and a lot. Eminem is still beast. He didn't lose quality yet.

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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 9th, '10, 14:49

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Re: does he know himself?

Postby kiki » Dec 9th, '10, 15:38

You need to stop taking his music so damn serious...sometimes the man just says something because it goes with the flow or rhyme scheme he has in mind. It's an art don't forget that.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Alaine » Dec 9th, '10, 15:46

Berry wrote:I didn't realise that we're all Eminem.

:laughing:

apparently OP knows Eminem more than Eminem himself, you need to write him a letter dude
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Dec 9th, '10, 16:29

stella222 wrote:In many ways he's better than the old him. It's not his fault many people aren't able to see it. Just like many people could never see the appeal of his early work, there are people that can't appreciate his recent work. Their loss.
Fortunately he has lots of fans that can appreciate his music.


:y:

I definitely appreciate his recent music. But, I will say, that A&W line from That's All She Wrote...that could have been left out lol
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby SweT » Dec 9th, '10, 17:45

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Re: does he know himself?

Postby EminemBase » Dec 9th, '10, 21:48

Well he's clearly just trying to recapture the spirit and attitude and not literally imiate the old him. He's stated before that he wants to sound different every album.

You can clearly tell "Cold Wind Blows" is a sort of homage to "Kill You" and... other examples show he's trying to recapture that MMLP angst but... at the same time, he's never going to sound like he's just spit a "Criminal" verse to you because he's purposely trying to create new styles.

I'm sure that he'd be quite capable of spitting a very similar verse to those from MMLP if he was content with not sounding different and evolving. He's messing with formats and trying to get new sounds, so you're not going to get a replay.

But if it was his task to say, re-create a song like "Criminal", with the exact same style, voice and way of rapping, I'm sure he could. When you actually look at it, examine everything - He's actually better at most elements technically. It's just the content and execution which is different, if he imitated the way he used to rap, with his new technical aspects in mind, he'd probably sound better.

But I'm glad that he isn't doing that. When an artist gives up on sounding new (if they are even good enough to realize the value in evolution), they give up on improving. And therefore may as well quit. So the fact he's still changing and striving is a great sign.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Sekou » Dec 9th, '10, 22:16

EminemBase wrote:Well he's clearly just trying to recapture the spirit and attitude and not literally imiate the old him. He's stated before that he wants to sound different every album.

You can clearly tell "Cold Wind Blows" is a sort of homage to "Kill You" and... other examples show he's trying to recapture that MMLP angst but... at the same time, he's never going to sound like he's just spit a "Criminal" verse to you because he's purposely trying to create new styles.

I'm sure that he'd be quite capable of spitting a very similar verse to those from MMLP if he was content with not sounding different and evolving. He's messing with formats and trying to get new sounds, so you're not going to get a replay.

But if it was his task to say, re-create a song like "Criminal", with the exact same style, voice and way of rapping, I'm sure he could. When you actually look at it, examine everything - He's actually better at most elements technically. It's just the content and execution which is different, if he imitated the way he used to rap, with his new technical aspects in mind, he'd probably sound better.

But I'm glad that he isn't doing that. When an artist gives up on sounding new (if they are even good enough to realize the value in evolution), they give up on improving. And therefore may as well quit. So the fact he's still changing and striving is a great sign.


I agree that he is deliberately trying to sound different, but I honestly don't think he could re-do a song like Criminal even if he wanted to. His overall flow has just changed too much, his rhyming is different. Also on tracks such as "On Fire", the song is "just spitting", but it still isn't comparable to any of his '97-'03 styles. When you listen to The Slim Shady LP or The Marshall Mathers LP (and perhaps parts of The Eminem Show), you'll notice that while he does sound different on every record, he's got that general flow that he always sticks to.
And that has just changed.
I really can't see Eminem being capable of writing another Criminal. And not because it just wouldn't fit to his new ego, but because he just isn't able to drop line after line of razor sharp wit, perfectly maintaining the rhyme scheme and making it sound ridiculously effortless at the same time.
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