Illmatic & All Eyez on Me accolades

[EM1973]

Illmatic(Nas)

Best of All-time Lists, Best of Decade Lists, etc.

Blender (USA) - 500 CDs You Must Own Before You Die (2003) No Order
Ego Trip (USA) - Hip Hop's 25 Greatest Albums by Year 1980-98 (1999) 1
Entertainment Weekly (USA) - The 100 Best Albums from 1983 to 2008 (2008) 28
Exclaim (Canada) - 100 Records that Rocked 100 Issues (2000) No Order
Ink Blot (USA) - Albums of the 90s (2000) 11
Music Underwater (USA) - Top 100 Albums 1990-2003 (2004) 45
Pitchfork (USA) - Top 100 Favorite Records of the 1990s (2003) 33
Robert Dimery (General Editor) - 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (2005) No Order
Rolling Stone (USA) - The 100 Greatest Albums of the 90s (2010) 26
Rolling Stone (USA) - The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (2003) 400
Rolling Stone (USA) - The Essential Recordings of the 90s (1999) No Order
Spin (USA) - The 125 Best Albums of the Past 25 Years (2010) 25
Spin (USA) - Top 100 (+5) Albums of the Last 20 Years (2005) 17
Stylus (USA) - Top 101-200 Albums of All time (2004) 143
Tom Moon (USA) - 1000 Recordings to Hear Before You Die (2008) Main entry
Vibe (USA) - 150 Albums That Define the Vibe Era (1992-2007) No Order
Vibe (USA) - 51 Albums representing a Generation, a Sound and a Movement (2004) No Order
Continuum Books - 33 1/3: A Series of Books about Critically Acclaimed Albums No Order
Gary Mulholland (UK) - 261 Greatest Albums Since Punk and Disco (2006) No Order
Guardian (UK) - 1000 Albums to Hear Before You Die (2007) No Order
Mojo (UK) - Mojo 1000, the Ultimate CD Buyers Guide (2001) No Order
Mojo (UK) - The Mojo Collection, 3rd and/or 4th Edition (2003/2007) No Order
Select (UK) - The 100 Best Albums of the 90s (1996) 99
The New Nation (UK) - Top 100 Albums by Black Artists 5
OOR (The Netherlands) - The 100 Best Albums of All Time (2007) 100
VPRO (The Netherlands) - 299 Nominations of the Best Album of All Time (2006) No Order
FNAC (France) - The 1000 Best Albums of All Time (2008) 444
Hervé Bourhis (France) - 555 Records (2007) No Order
Les Inrockuptibles (France) - 50 Years of Rock'n'Roll (2004) No Order
MUZIQ (France) - 200 Records for a Dream Collection (2007) No Order
Dance de Lux (Spain) - The 25 Best Hip-Hop Records (2001) 25
Rock de Lux (Spain) - The 150 Best Albums from the 90s (2000) 134
Juice (Australia) - The 100 (+34) Greatest Albums of the 90s (1999) 101
The Movement (New Zealand) - The 101 Best Albums of the 90s (2004) 51

Ratings

All Music Guide (USA) - Album Ratings 1-5 Stars 5 Stars
MusicHound (USA) - Album Ratings 0-5 Bones (1998-99) 4.5 Bones
Robert Christgau (USA) - Consumer Guide Album Grade ***
Rolling Stone Album Guide, Ratings 1-5 Stars (USA, 2004) 5 Stars
Martin C. Strong (UK) - The Great Rock Discography 7th Edition, Ratings 1-10 6
Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music (UK) - Album Ratings 1-5 Stars (2002) 4 Stars

End of Year Lists

Village Voice (USA) - Albums of the Year 33
Face (UK) - Albums of the Year 22
New Musical Express (UK) - Albums of the Year 33
Select (UK) - Albums of the Year 18
Pop (Sweden) - Albums of the Year 9
OOR (Netherlands) - Albums of the Year 42
Spex (Germany) - Albums of the Year 9


All Eyez on Me(Tupac)

Best of All-time Lists, Best of Decade Lists, etc.

Ego Trip (USA) - Hip Hop's 25 Greatest Albums by Year 1980-98 (1999) 14
Entertainment Weekly (USA) - The 100 Best Albums from 1983 to 2008 (2008) 87
Rolling Stone (USA) - The 100 Greatest Albums of the 90s (2010) 50
Rolling Stone (USA) - The Essential Recordings of the 90s (1999) No Order
Tom Moon (USA) - 1000 Recordings to Hear Before You Die (2008) Main entry
Various writers - Albums: 50 Years of Great Recordings (2005) No Order
Hip-Hop Connection (UK) - The 100 Greatest Rap Albums 1995-2005 35
Q (UK) - 90 Albums of the 90s (1999) No Order
Q (UK) - The Ultimate Music Collection (2005) No Order
The New Nation (UK) - Top 100 Albums by Black Artists 64
FNAC (France) - The 1000 Best Albums of All Time (2008) 461
Rock & Folk (France) - The Best Albums from 1963 to 1999 (1999) No Order
Babylon (Greece) - The 50 Best Albums of the 1990s (1999) 7

Ratings

All Music Guide (USA) - Album Ratings 1-5 Stars 5 Stars
MusicHound (USA) - Album Ratings 0-5 Bones (1998-99) 3.5 Bones
Rolling Stone Album Guide, Ratings 1-5 Stars (USA, 2004) 5 Stars
Martin C. Strong (UK) - The Great Rock Discography 7th Edition, Ratings 1-10 7
Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music (UK) - Album Ratings 1-5 Stars (2002) 4 Stars
Le Guide du CD (France) - Ratings from 1 to 4 Stars & "GOLD" (1995-1997) 3 Stars
Piero Scaruffi, Italy (http://www.scaruffi.com), Album Ratings (Scale 1 to 10) 6.5

[jarman007]

illmatic(a real classic) > all eyez on me

Tupac was only a good rapper not great..........this was shown by his sales of first few albums...........but then went to jail.....dunno what happened,became very famous..............he was just a hater.......dissing new york MCs , white people...............B.I.G was much more talented.....was as famous as Tupac with just one album realeased(during his lifetime)

nas too more talented than tupac...........Tupac just got the hype by going to jail and rode it..........then got shot.....pushing him to greatness

[stillmatic]

illmatic(a real classic) > all eyez on me

Tupac was only a good rapper not great..........this was shown by his sales of first few albums...........but then went to jail.....dunno what happened,became very famous..............he was just a hater.......dissing new york MCs , white people...............B.I.G was much more talented.....was as famous as Tupac with just one album realeased(during his lifetime)

nas too more talented than tupac...........Tupac just got the hype by going to jail and rode it..........then got shot.....pushing him to greatness

I'm as big of a Nas fan as you can find, and I was born and grew up where Nas was born, but even I have to say, the above is all a load of bs.

Tupac's first few albums are seen as his best by his core audience, it paved the way for the likes of Nas to come out with Illmatic and Biggie to come out with Ready to Die, what do you think Tupac was talking about when he said "they copied my style"?

I love Nas more than Tupac, but Tupac was an immortal. Easily one of the greatest, there was nothing but greatness about the dude.

[jarman007]

illmatic(a real classic) > all eyez on me
B.I.G was much more talented.....was as famous as Tupac with just one album realeased(during his lifetime)

nas too more talented than tupac...........Tupac just got the hype by going to jail and rode it..........then got shot.....pushing him to greatness

I'm as big of a Nas fan as you can find, and I was born and grew up where Nas was born, but even I have to say, the above is all a load of bs.

Tupac's first few albums are seen as his best by his core audience, it paved the way for the likes of Nas to come out with Illmatic and Biggie to come out with Ready to Die, what do you think Tupac was talking about when he said "they copied my style"?

I love Nas more than Tupac, but Tupac was an immortal. Easily one of the greatest, there was nothing but greatness about the dude.

ok i respect your opinion.......

i am just saying B.I.G. , nas were more talented..............especially B.I.G should be as repected as pac if not more.........Tupac was just pissed B.I.G took inspiration from his style and did better than him ....and became more famous than him.......so he turned the beef against him into whole coast rivalry............

tupac was the most hardworking MC, i agree........he recorded these many songs in 5-6 years ......and are still releasing till today..............busiest dead man in hollywood

[stillmatic]

Nah homie I'm with you, I just thought you were another one of those people who say Tupac is only good cause he's dead type people, they're annoying.

I agree with you that Nas was more talented, but I disagree regarding Biggie.

I think intelligence is a sign of talent, if you're are knowledgeable, it means you have talent.

On Tupac Resurrection, it talks about how Tupac drew his audience in with sensationalism, how he recognized how to connect with the youth, and that was by talking about things that really related to them and emphasized these things by blowing issues out of proportion at times to get their attention. After that, it was his plan, that once he had their attention and had influence over them, to educate them, to go down another path, to show them viable alternatives. Of course, before he could do that, he was killed.

Quincy Jones said it best.

"Tupac died at 25. If Malcolm X died at 25 he would have been a street hustler, named Detroit Red. If Martin Luther King died at 25 he would've been known as a local baptist preacher. And if I had died at 25 I would've been known as a struggling musician. Only a sliver of my life's potential." --Quincy Jones

I think its not all good that this Tupac material has been released since he died. Biggie's legacy remained untouched, whereas Tupac's has been edited too much.Tupac would not have released 90% of that material, which a lot of people don't know was tracks that were recorded not for the future, but at that time that weren't used because he didn't consider them good enough.

[jarman007]

I agree with you that Nas was more talented, but I disagree regarding Biggie.

The rule "nobody's perfect" didn't apply to Biggie: You'll be hard pressed to prove he wasn't the most skillful ever on the mic........ (not my wording but i think the same)

"Tupac died at 25. If Malcolm X died at 25 he would have been a street hustler, named Detroit Red. If Martin Luther King died at 25 he would've been known as a local baptist preacher. And if I had died at 25 I would've been known as a struggling musician. Only a sliver of my life's potential." --Quincy Jones

[EM1973]

I'm as big of a Nas fan as you can find, and I was born and grew up where Nas was born, but even I have to say, the above is all a load of bs.

Tupac's first few albums are seen as his best by his core audience, it paved the way for the likes of Nas to come out with Illmatic and Biggie to come out with Ready to Die, what do you think Tupac was talking about when he said "they copied my style"?

I love Nas more than Tupac, but Tupac was an immortal. Easily one of the greatest, there was nothing but greatness about the dude.

Yeah Pac is one of the Greatest no doubt,He had an impact,he was a rebel.But he is also overrated after his death..
I'm old and I remember very well how people looked at him before and after his death.Not the same believe me.
When he was alive most people called Rakim,LL and Big Daddy GOAT.Especially Rakim(Rakim.LL and Prince Pac's idols).
He died at his prime and people remember him at his best.Ιt's like Eminem died after the Eminem Show......
If he stayed alive he would come off and the decline..Even Michael Jackson and Elvis perhaps the 2 Greatest artists ever had decline.

[stillmatic]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

[Master Chief]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

[classthe_king]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

Tupac would have ended up like Snoop Dogg

[xxTrigger1989xx]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

Tupac would have ended up like Snoop Dogg

Nah, dude, I really believe he would've kept it real

[Master Chief]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

Tupac would have ended up like Snoop Dogg

Every comment I see by you is so fucking retarded

[EM1973]

To say Tupac would decline at 25 is such a huge call considering he was getting better and better with each album, and he was also learning more and more about the world with each album, I mean look at his last release (Don Killuminati) which if you listen to it track by track and in order, it is a concept album full of erudition and consciousness like nothing seen before in Hip Hop or even music.

Eminem was 31 at the time of The Eminem Show, whereas Tupac was only in his mid-20s when he died. It's comparing oranges and apples, and it's not fair, on either of them, but mostly Tupac to try and say that he would have fallen off the wagon like Eminem did, which is silly because those were such unprecedented circumstances.

I was very young when Tupac was alive, but I was in the area where if you listen to media reports was supposed to be disliked, but Tupac got nothing but love in New York, everyone loved him. I remember when we would beg our teachers to let us off early so we could get home by 4pm and watch the new Tupac videos on Yo MTV Raps. The day the 'So many tears' video was released, it was almost a riot. Everyone would play that non-stop on their boombox for weeks.

Tupac was treated like an immortal when he was alive, make no mistakes. Everywhere. He was so much more than a rapper, he was an African king, his music was the soundtrack to all our lives, for anyone struggling and beyond.

Ok good post but listen.
Tupac as every artist would had a decline if he stayed alive.( alive better of caurse than a death).
When he started the Rivalry with Biggie people in New York were with Biggie's side because a former East Coast person (Pac) gone to West to start the Rivalry.
Biggie when they were alive was by far more loved in New York at the Rivalry years.Not even close Pac to this.
Do you remember the streets of NY when Big died?People gone crazy!

As about the age.Eminem was 27 when SSLP released.He started to built his legacy at 27.
Pac was younger and he started his legacy younger.
But this doesn't mean that he has bigger legacy than Eminem or that he would be better at his 31 as a Rapper.His skills nothing impressive in comparison with other greats.He had passion but he hadn't so much talent as a skilled rapper.
Kobe Bryant won his first ring at his 22 and at his 24 had 3 rings.
Michael Jordan won his first ring at his 28.That means that Kobe is Greater?No!
Pac was at his best.He couldn't be better than that imo.
Biggie had the most scary potential and more to give .
Biggie was bigger talent than Pac as a rapper.If you ask me who has bigger legacy then I would say Pac because of his off court impact.But Biggie had the scariest potential in Hip-Hop!

Both are overrated.Don't get me wrong they are greats and legends but as I said people looked at them different before and after their deaths.
Just look how underrated is Rakim who is still alive and he was the ultimate MC from 87' to 95'.People forget or don't know about him(youngsters).But all they know Pac and Big.Deaths help a lot at this.

[jarman007]

Tupac as every artist would had a decline if he stayed alive.( alive better of caurse than a death).


As about the age.Eminem was 27 when SSLP released.He started to built his legacy at 27.
Pac was younger and he started his legacy younger.
But this doesn't mean that he has bigger legacy than Eminem or that he would be better at his 31 as a Rapper.His skills nothing impressive in comparison with other greats.He had passion but he hadn't so much talent as a skilled rapper.

Pac was at his best.He couldn't be better than that imo.
Biggie had the most scary potential and more to give .
Biggie was bigger talent than Pac as a rapper.If you ask me who has bigger legacy then I would say Pac because of his off court impact.But Biggie had the scariest potential in Hip-Hop!

yea.....biggie had the most potential......he was the most skillful MC ever on the mic............if he had release some more albums he would really be remembered as the best..........

[EM1973]

Tupac as every artist would had a decline if he stayed alive.( alive better of caurse than a death).


As about the age.Eminem was 27 when SSLP released.He started to built his legacy at 27.
Pac was younger and he started his legacy younger.
But this doesn't mean that he has bigger legacy than Eminem or that he would be better at his 31 as a Rapper.His skills nothing impressive in comparison with other greats.He had passion but he hadn't so much talent as a skilled rapper.

Pac was at his best.He couldn't be better than that imo.
Biggie had the most scary potential and more to give .
Biggie was bigger talent than Pac as a rapper.If you ask me who has bigger legacy then I would say Pac because of his off court impact.But Biggie had the scariest potential in Hip-Hop!

yea.....biggie had the most potential......he was the most skillful MC ever on the mic............if he had release some more albums he would really be remembered as the best..........

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.