Illmatic & All Eyez on Me accolades

[jarman007]

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.

really eminem.........most skilled.........happy to hear it

[dead prez]

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.

Mic presence, flow and delivery are still skills. And yes Eminem was a beast on the mic so is Rakim, but there are tons of rappers on there level, in terms of skill. Personally Rakim has been surpassed, yeah he brought lyricism to the table, but too many people act like he's still the best lyricist alive. As for Eminem Nas on illmatic, Del on Deltron 3030, Jay z on reasonable doubt, Prodigy on Hell on earth etc are all just as "skillfull" as him. Oh and Black thought.

[EM1973]

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.

really eminem.........most skilled.........happy to hear it

I remember in an interview back to 2000 I think(maybe it was 99') Dr.Dre,Cube,Snoop,Xzibit had praised Em's skills.

[jarman007]

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.

really eminem.........most skilled.........happy to hear it

I remember in an interview back to 2000 I think(maybe it was 99') Dr.Dre,Cube,Snoop,Xzibit had praised Em's skills.

[EM1973]

No he wasn't the most skillfull.Eminem and Rakim are the most skilled Rappers ever.
Biggie was the most dominant in the Mic.His voice had something special when he rap.
Βut Eminem at his prime was a beast!And Rakim at Eric.B years.

Mic presence, flow and delivery are still skills. And yes Eminem was a beast on the mic so is Rakim, but there are tons of rappers on there level, in terms of skill. Personally Rakim has been surpassed, yeah he brought lyricism to the table, but too many people act like he's still the best lyricist alive. As for Eminem Nas on illmatic, Del on Deltron 3030, Jay z on reasonable doubt, Prodigy on Hell on earth etc are all just as "skillfull" as him. Oh and Black thought.

Well that's your opinion but if you ask other MC's "who is the most skilled ever" names like Eminem and Rakim have easily more preferences.
Rakim said that it's difficult for him to find a most sklled black rapper than Eminem.
You are young and you can't understand Rakim's legacy as a skilled and as an overall rapper.
If you listen him now yeah isn't the same.
But if you listen him at his prime 87'-95' then you will understand why is the master/teacher!

[dead prez]

Yeah Rakim cosigned Eminem, what's your point? Also no it's not an opinon it's a fact that all those emcees I listed at those times are on Eminem's level in his prime, of course I'm leaving out a shit ton of other emcees.

And of course you have to bring up the retarded, you're too young to have an opinon,bullshit argument. And I've already listened to Rakim so again, what're you trying to prove?

[EM1973]

Yeah Rakim cosigned Eminem, what's your point? Also no it's not an opinon it's a fact that all those emcees I listed at those times are on Eminem's level in his prime, of course I'm leaving out a shit ton of other emcees.

And of course you have to bring up the retarded, you're too young to have an opinon,bullshit argument. And I've already listened to Rakim so again, what're you trying to prove?

Don't be more stupid than you are.
Is the same to watch Michael Jordan live at his days as a player and at videos now?
First of all you haven't the feeling of the Era and for the game back to then.And this is very important!
You can have your opinion.But your opinion is all about Google and Yahoo.
If you were born back to 1975-1980 you would have different view for the Hip-Hop and for everything than now.
As an example If you listen now Frank Sinatra you will say "This is bullshit"But Sinatra was the face of NY at his days.

[dead prez]

Good analogy, but it fails. As I said, I gave Rakim his props and acknowledged what he did for Hip Hop as a whole, but he's no longer the best lyricist in Hip Hop if that's what you're implying. He's beens surpasses by a ton of others, of course he's still a great lyricist in his own right, and if another rapper came up with the same skill as Rakim he'd still be dope.

[stillmatic]

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Ok good post but listen.
Tupac as every artist would had a decline if he stayed alive.( alive better of caurse than a death).
When he started the Rivalry with Biggie people in New York were with Biggie's side because a former East Coast person (Pac) gone to West to start the Rivalry.
Biggie when they were alive was by far more loved in New York at the Rivalry years.Not even close Pac to this.
Do you remember the streets of NY when Big died?People gone crazy!

I don't deny that Tupac would have declined eventually, but not at his prime man. He was only 25, he released music like crazy, he would have had so much more to give before he started to come down. I still think though Tupac is more missed as an icon than a rapper, because he would have been more than just a rapper, he would have been an politician for the streets.

Of course Biggie was more loved in NY than Pac, because thats where grew, they were the first ones to hear his music, it was impossible for any artist outside of NY to get more love than Biggie. But what I meant was that Tupac was loved as well, like majorly.

I do remember when they died, I was only 8 when Pac died, and I remember his death was a feeling of anger. There's a classic video on youtube where Tupac's death gets announced during the Nas show by Ed Lover, you could just feel the tension in the air. When Biggie died, it was completely different, it was more shock than anger.

As about the age.Eminem was 27 when SSLP released.He started to built his legacy at 27.
Pac was younger and he started his legacy younger.
But this doesn't mean that he has bigger legacy than Eminem or that he would be better at his 31 as a Rapper.His skills nothing impressive in comparison with other greats.He had passion but he hadn't so much talent as a skilled rapper.
Kobe Bryant won his first ring at his 22 and at his 24 had 3 rings.
Michael Jordan won his first ring at his 28.That means that Kobe is Greater?No!
Pac was at his best.He couldn't be better than that imo.
Biggie had the most scary potential and more to give .
Biggie was bigger talent than Pac as a rapper.If you ask me who has bigger legacy then I would say Pac because of his off court impact.But Biggie had the scariest potential in Hip-Hop!

Thats not what I meant homie. I just meant that Tupac was much younger when he died than Eminem was when he released The Eminem Show. Didn't have any quiet subliminal meanings in my post, it was simply just to point out their big age difference.

Both are overrated.Don't get me wrong they are greats and legends but as I said people looked at them different before and after their deaths.
Just look how underrated is Rakim who is still alive and he was the ultimate MC from 87' to 95'.People forget or don't know about him(youngsters).But all they know Pac and Big.Deaths help a lot at this.

I'm not gonna get involved in the overrated talk, because I simply disagree. I think some Eminem fans who see the bullshit he's often put through but some of the hip hop public a bit too easily point fingers back, but often it's at the wrong people. That's why I think some Eminem fans undeservedly go at the likes of Tupac and Biggie. It's wrong on both sides. That's just my opinion.

I'm a huge fan of Eminem just as I am of Biggie, just as I am of Tupac. But the slight difference for me is that Tupac was more than just a musician for me, he was like a leader. But that in no way affects my rating of him as a rapper, better or worse.

[EM1973]

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Ok good post but listen.
Tupac as every artist would had a decline if he stayed alive.( alive better of caurse than a death).
When he started the Rivalry with Biggie people in New York were with Biggie's side because a former East Coast person (Pac) gone to West to start the Rivalry.
Biggie when they were alive was by far more loved in New York at the Rivalry years.Not even close Pac to this.
Do you remember the streets of NY when Big died?People gone crazy!

I don't deny that Tupac would have declined eventually, but not at his prime man. He was only 25, he released music like crazy, he would have had so much more to give before he started to come down. I still think though Tupac is more missed as an icon than a rapper, because he would have been more than just a rapper, he would have been an politician for the streets.

Of course Biggie was more loved in NY than Pac, because thats where grew, they were the first ones to hear his music, it was impossible for any artist outside of NY to get more love than Biggie. But what I meant was that Tupac was loved as well, like majorly.

I do remember when they died, I was only 8 when Pac died, and I remember his death was a feeling of anger. There's a classic video on youtube where Tupac's death gets announced during the Nas show by Ed Lover, you could just feel the tension in the air. When Biggie died, it was completely different, it was more shock than anger.

As about the age.Eminem was 27 when SSLP released.He started to built his legacy at 27.
Pac was younger and he started his legacy younger.
But this doesn't mean that he has bigger legacy than Eminem or that he would be better at his 31 as a Rapper.His skills nothing impressive in comparison with other greats.He had passion but he hadn't so much talent as a skilled rapper.
Kobe Bryant won his first ring at his 22 and at his 24 had 3 rings.
Michael Jordan won his first ring at his 28.That means that Kobe is Greater?No!
Pac was at his best.He couldn't be better than that imo.
Biggie had the most scary potential and more to give .
Biggie was bigger talent than Pac as a rapper.If you ask me who has bigger legacy then I would say Pac because of his off court impact.But Biggie had the scariest potential in Hip-Hop!

Thats not what I meant homie. I just meant that Tupac was much younger when he died than Eminem was when he released The Eminem Show. Didn't have any quiet subliminal meanings in my post, it was simply just to point out their big age difference.

Both are overrated.Don't get me wrong they are greats and legends but as I said people looked at them different before and after their deaths.
Just look how underrated is Rakim who is still alive and he was the ultimate MC from 87' to 95'.People forget or don't know about him(youngsters).But all they know Pac and Big.Deaths help a lot at this.

I'm not gonna get involved in the overrated talk, because I simply disagree. I think some Eminem fans who see the bullshit he's often put through but some of the hip hop public a bit too easily point fingers back, but often it's at the wrong people. That's why I think some Eminem fans undeservedly go at the likes of Tupac and Biggie. It's wrong on both sides. That's just my opinion.

I'm a huge fan of Eminem just as I am of Biggie, just as I am of Tupac. But the slight difference for me is that Tupac was more than just a musician for me, he was like a leader. But that in no way affects my rating of him as a rapper, better or worse.

Ok it's your opinion and I respect your opinion.I disagree with some but it's ok.
Believe me I'm an Eminem fan first but I was a big fan of Hip-Hop many years before Eminem come.Rakim was my favorite(and he is very underrated in comparisons with Em,Big,Pac e.t.c)
Prime isn't about the age.
You can have your prime at 25 or you can have your prime at your 35.Just happens.It's music isn't sports(most of times in Basketball prime is 28-30).
Michael Jackson made Thriller at his 24.He was at his best and that was by far his most successful Album.As I said age means nothing.We speak about music not sports.

[I'mShady]

Whyyyy whyyy whyyy don't people ever understand...Illmatic>Every other hip-hop album EVER CREATED.
Not that some don't come close but, just face it Illmatic is the Greatest Hip-Hop Album Ever.
You can simply pick whatever track from that album and without any hesitation you can say...this is the greatest hip-hop song ever...That's how big Illmatic is...

[jarman007]

Whyyyy whyyy whyyy don't people ever understand...Illmatic>Every other hip-hop album EVER CREATED.
Not that some don't come close but, just face it Illmatic is the Greatest Hip-Hop Album Ever.
You can simply pick whatever track from that album and without any hesitation you can say...this is the greatest hip-hop song ever...That's how big Illmatic is...

[classthe_king]

Whyyyy whyyy whyyy don't people ever understand...Illmatic>Every other hip-hop album EVER CREATED.
Not that some don't come close but, just face it Illmatic is the Greatest Hip-Hop Album Ever.
You can simply pick whatever track from that album and without any hesitation you can say...this is the greatest hip-hop song ever...That's how big Illmatic is...

Servents in Heaven, Kings in Hell > Illmatic

[dead prez]

If you're going to use a JMT album at least use a better one. Although I do think illmatic is arguably the best Hip Hop album of out time, it's not the undisputed hip hop bible there are a couple of other albums on it's level word...life, Done by the Forces of Nature, Enter the 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords are all on it's level.

[EM1973]

Albums like Paid in Full,Mama said knock you out,Live After Death,MMLP are in the discussion with Illmatic for the Greatest album ever in Hip-Hop.
All have very big impact in the Hip-Hop.