Amadeo wrote:Here are some songs from the "3 years prior" I was talking about:
Encore
40 Oz
Jimmy Crack Corn
Bitch
You Don't Know
Shake That
We're Back
The Re-Up
Smack That
One Shot 2 Shot
Welcome to Detroit
Peep Show
Who Want It
He's saying people don't care about lyrics, he displays lyricism on all of those songs. Let's stick to solo tracks, as yes "Smack That" IS that kind of track, but he guested on it for a friend.
But, on his tracks - "Encore" isn't that. Having a good hook / beat doesn't mean it's what he's talking about lmao, that just means it's good. But Em's verses on that are not mindless at all. They're actually very good verses. "spoke to a generation of angry teenagers", some good thoughts. And, it's a mindful verse - it's not a senseless load of babble like he's mocking.
Basically all those tracks are feature tracks actually, I thought you put more solo ones there. I'm talking him as a solo artist, he hasn't done a single track that qualifies for what he's criticizing.
Amadeo wrote:Both songs where he tried to write a serious, good song. And both incredibly bad songs with the same lazy rhyme patterns he's mocking in Syllables.
Just accept that Eminem was a huge hypocrite in this era. He rags on this lazy writing in Pistol Poppin', Syllables, not even realizing he's just as guilty of it.
Again, you're criticizing totally different intentions. You just shot yourself in the foot with "he tried to write a serious, good song"... well now you're digging a hole because he is critcizing songs that are mindless and just about a beat and a hook.
You've just right there said he TRIED to write
a serious, good song. So by deifnition he's not done what you're talking about lmao. Whether or not the songs are crap or not is a different debate all together. That's a debate of quality, we're talking about intentions.
"Mosh" isn't a song intended to be a big club hit for its own sake, it's not a song that relies on a very simplistic hook and catchy beat, so that is a totally invalid comparison. His fucking rhyme schemes not being up to scratch is a matter of his ability at the time - Or, even if he was lazy, that's again a totally different thing to what we're talking about.
Which, I don't think he was lazy there anyway. He just wasn't as good. But I don't think he wasn't trying. So no, I won't ''just accept'' your argument. If you were right, I'd accept it. But I don't think that you are.
I'm not arguing Encore was full of intelligent, brilliant music. I'm arguing that bad or lazy music is not the same as mindless music made by talentless, lyric-less fuckheads who are relying purely on a beat and a hook -
which is what he is criticizing. So it's not hypocrisy.