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Re: does he know himself?

Postby EminemBase » Dec 9th, '10, 22:59

C90Shady wrote:
EminemBase wrote:Well he's clearly just trying to recapture the spirit and attitude and not literally imiate the old him. He's stated before that he wants to sound different every album.

You can clearly tell "Cold Wind Blows" is a sort of homage to "Kill You" and... other examples show he's trying to recapture that MMLP angst but... at the same time, he's never going to sound like he's just spit a "Criminal" verse to you because he's purposely trying to create new styles.

I'm sure that he'd be quite capable of spitting a very similar verse to those from MMLP if he was content with not sounding different and evolving. He's messing with formats and trying to get new sounds, so you're not going to get a replay.

But if it was his task to say, re-create a song like "Criminal", with the exact same style, voice and way of rapping, I'm sure he could. When you actually look at it, examine everything - He's actually better at most elements technically. It's just the content and execution which is different, if he imitated the way he used to rap, with his new technical aspects in mind, he'd probably sound better.

But I'm glad that he isn't doing that. When an artist gives up on sounding new (if they are even good enough to realize the value in evolution), they give up on improving. And therefore may as well quit. So the fact he's still changing and striving is a great sign.


I agree that he is deliberately trying to sound different, but I honestly don't think he could re-do a song like Criminal even if he wanted to. His overall flow has just changed too much, his rhyming is different. Also on tracks such as "On Fire", the song is "just spitting", but it still isn't comparable to any of his '97-'03 styles. When you listen to The Slim Shady LP or The Marshall Mathers LP (and perhaps parts of The Eminem Show), you'll notice that while he does sound different on every record, he's got that general flow that he always sticks to.
And that has just changed.


That's not true about him maintaining an overall flow. He switched his style on all those three albums and it was vastly different each time. Switched it multiple times on each album actually.

I think you're more right on him not having the same razor sharp wit. Althougn, it's there in flashes. But I think he could absolutely imitate those flows if he wanted to. But he's just too conscious of sounding very different all the time.

But his flows on Relapse for example, are just... insanely good. So tight and well-structured. He'd have no issues replicating his old flows, as for whether he could write the same... that's questionable but I think he could. He just wants to sound new.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Mxracer6y » Dec 14th, '10, 00:57

lemme remind everyone of his flow/delivery on 'insane'


hes talking about getting fucked by his dad..

yet i still slam this shit all day long



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or even must be the ganja..im pretty sure this has gotta be one of his best flows since making a come back. especially this verse :

Don't want to end up inside my refrigerator freezer
Be used as extra toppin' the next time I make a pizza
How many people you know can name every serial killer
Who ever existed in a row?

Put 'em in chronological order, beginning with Jack the Ripper
Name the time and place from the body, the bag, the zipper
Location of the woods where the body was dragged and then dumped
The trunk that they were stuffed in, the model, the make, the plate

And which model, which lake they found her in and how they attacked the victim
Say which murder weapon was used to do what and which one
Which knife and which gun, what kid, what wife and which nun?
Don't stop, I like this, it's fun, the fuckin' night's just begun


wtf...his flow is as good as ever..... when he wants


picaso wit a pick axe, a sick asshole
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Dec 14th, '10, 01:14

And surely, YOU know Eminem more than he knows himself, right?

:laughing:
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Came back to annihilate, the game's in dire straights, as I await
Word on Satan, as I drop, fall to my knees before this Quija board and I pray
Now I lay me down to sleep
I do this shit in my sleep, I’m sleepin' now, imagine if I awake


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Re: does he know himself?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Dec 14th, '10, 01:15

Mxracer6y wrote:lemme remind everyone of his flow/delivery on 'insane'


hes talking about getting fucked by his dad..

yet i still slam this shit all day long



*edit
or even must be the ganja..im pretty sure this has gotta be one of his best flows since making a come back. especially this verse :

Don't want to end up inside my refrigerator freezer
Be used as extra toppin' the next time I make a pizza
How many people you know can name every serial killer
Who ever existed in a row?

Put 'em in chronological order, beginning with Jack the Ripper
Name the time and place from the body, the bag, the zipper
Location of the woods where the body was dragged and then dumped
The trunk that they were stuffed in, the model, the make, the plate

And which model, which lake they found her in and how they attacked the victim
Say which murder weapon was used to do what and which one
Which knife and which gun, what kid, what wife and which nun?
Don't stop, I like this, it's fun, the fuckin' night's just begun


wtf...his flow is as good as ever..... when he wants


picaso wit a pick axe, a sick asshole


Sorry for double posting, but Must Be The Ganja is one of the most underrated songs from Em. I don't understand why people don't like it. The second verse is :worship:
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Word on Satan, as I drop, fall to my knees before this Quija board and I pray
Now I lay me down to sleep
I do this shit in my sleep, I’m sleepin' now, imagine if I awake


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Re: does he know himself?

Postby HereHere » Dec 14th, '10, 02:12

I really like Must be the Ganja as well, was surprised when everyone hated it yet praised 3am.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Dec 14th, '10, 02:21

It's one of the few songs that I liked right off the bat at first. The beat caught my attention, plus, at the time I wasn't really used to the accent, and his voice in the song sounds somewhat like his old self, so that's why I liked it. Then I looked into the lyrics and shit

But, there are at least 8 songs on Relapse that are better than it, to me at least
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Word on Satan, as I drop, fall to my knees before this Quija board and I pray
Now I lay me down to sleep
I do this shit in my sleep, I’m sleepin' now, imagine if I awake


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Re: does he know himself?

Postby GenePeer » Dec 14th, '10, 02:30

Mxracer6y wrote:lemme remind everyone of his flow/delivery on 'insane'


hes talking about getting fucked by his dad..

yet i still slam this shit all day long

I know, right?! :laughing: :laughing:
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby forsh » Dec 14th, '10, 13:11

I actually wana re-say in different words what i said. His flow on relapse wasnt as good as on Relapse. Could you imagine the Relapse flow with Recovery topic (without the 'accent') dayummmmmmm
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby forsh » Dec 14th, '10, 17:30

sorry i meant his flow on recovery wasn't as good as on relapse. ha my bad
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Mxracer6y » Dec 16th, '10, 04:08

forsh wrote:sorry i meant his flow on recovery wasn't as good as on relapse. ha my bad


yes i agree with this for sure..... relapse > recovery. all day long.. cept for content i suppose...


Idk... the more time that passes, the more and more I like relapse...

I really dont see myself listening to any recovery songs any time soon thats fore sure....so much for a classic
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby jarman007 » Jan 6th, '11, 17:21

kiki wrote:You need to stop taking his music so damn serious...sometimes the man just says something because it goes with the flow or rhyme scheme he has in mind. It's an art don't forget that.


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i don't know why people take the lyrics so seriously......
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Jan 6th, '11, 17:29

HereHere wrote:I really like Must be the Ganja as well, was surprised when everyone hated it yet praised 3am.


I just think it's because they don't like the chorus or content...or whatever

But that song is fire, I don't give a fuck. I listened to it again last night, after I coincidentally smoked, and I was like :worship:

He fucking kills that beat, his flow is so flawless with it. Smooth as hell, he rides the fuck outta that beat
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Word on Satan, as I drop, fall to my knees before this Quija board and I pray
Now I lay me down to sleep
I do this shit in my sleep, I’m sleepin' now, imagine if I awake


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Re: does he know himself?

Postby Satire » Jan 6th, '11, 17:32

xxTrigger1989xx wrote:
HereHere wrote:I really like Must be the Ganja as well, was surprised when everyone hated it yet praised 3am.


I just think it's because they don't like the chorus or content...or whatever

But that song is fire, I don't give a fuck. I listened to it again last night, after I coincidentally smoked, and I was like :worship:

He fucking kills that beat, his flow is so flawless with it. Smooth as hell, he rides the fuck outta that beat


The 1st verse is just...wow. People are sleeping on Relapse. It might take a while to get used to it because it's different and the subject content can turn you off, but his display as an MC is just near-flawless.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby HereHere » Jan 6th, '11, 17:36

Well, this was randomly bumped :coffee:

But yeah, I agree with the above two posts, Must be the Ganja was one of the songs I loved straight away on Relapse.
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Re: does he know himself?

Postby AnalKiddo » Jan 8th, '11, 03:38

Jesus, some of you scope out his lyrics like you're reviewing an essay for school :facepalm2
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Cause the shit I hear is crazy
But your either getting lazy or you don't believe in you no more
Seems like your own opinions, not one you can form
Cant make a decision you keep questioning yourself
Second guessing and its almost like your begging for my help

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