The real reason underground rappers are underground

[WakeUpShow]

i didn't read this whole thread or argument. but dead prez, you really should have posted 1st renegade verse. far and away his best

[classthe_king]

Yes, that verse is amazing but would it help him in the type of argument we're having...no. Same thing to the Lose Yourself verse.

[Master Chief]

i didn't read this whole thread or argument. but dead prez, you really should have posted 1st renegade verse. far and away his best

Or any Lose Yourself verse.

[dead prez]

So do you want me to refute you or post another verse, here's another a quite well known and I'll highlight the multies this time.

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern-day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ, the King of these Latter-Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me as
A monger of hate, a Satan, a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he a ladder? a gateway to escape
Media scapegoat; who they can be mad at today?
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin' Dixie
While I'm waving the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
In holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a motherfuckin spiteful, delightful eyeful
The new Ice Cube - motherfuckers hate to like you
What did I do? I'm just a kid from the gutter
Making this butter off these bloodsuckers


http://rapgenius.com/lyrics/Jay-z-ft-eminem/Renegade

Let me ask you something do you think multies automatically make a better verse?

[classthe_king]

You're retarded lol. If Diabolic and Eminem got on a stage and started spitting bars at eachother and Em spit that verse everyone would laugh at him. That's not a battle verse at all lmao, neither was your last one.

[dead prez]

So you want me to post something from Infinite where he uses all those big words, Ight fine


Bust it, I let the beat commence so I can beat the sense in your elite defense
I got some meat to mince, a crew to stomp and two feet to rinse
I greet the gents and ladies, I spoil loyal fans
I foil plans and leave fluids leaking like oil pans
My coil hands around this microphone are lethal
One thought in my cerebral is deeper then a Jeep full of people
MC's are feeble, I came to cause some pandemonium
Battle a band of phony MC's and stand the lonely one
Imitator, Intimidator, Stimulator, Simulator of data, Eliminator
There's never been a greater since the burial of Jesus
Fuck around and catch all the venereal diseases
My thesis will smash a stereo to pieces
My accapella releases classic masterpieces through telekinesis
And eases you mentally, gently, sentimentally, instrumentally
With entity, dementedly meant to be Infinite


Oh look what a complicated verse


Now for an actual battle verse with substance

It's only fair to warn
I was born with a set of horns
And metaphors attached to my damn umbulical cord
Warlord of rap little bastard with a two by four board
That smashed into your Honda Accord
With a 4 door Ford
But a more toward [?] droppin an accapella
The choppa [?] fella
The mozarella
Worse than a hellacopta propella
Got you locked in the cella
With your skeleton showing
Developing anorexia
While I'm standin next to ya
Eating a full course meal watching you starve to death
With an IV in your veins
Feeding you liquid darvicet
Pumping you full of drugs
Pull the plugs
On the gunshot victims full of bullet slugs
Who were picked up in an ambulance
And driven
To receiving with the asses ripped outta they pants
And given
A less than 20 percent chance
Of living
Have a possible placement
It's a hospital patient
Storing the dead bodies in grandma's little basement
Doctor Kevorkian has arrived
To perform an autopsy on you while you scream "I'M STILL ALIVE!"
Driving a rusty scalpel in through the top of your scalp
And pulling your adams apple out through your mouth
Better call the fire department
I've hired a arson
To set fire to carpet
And burn up your entire apartment
I'm a liar to start shit [?]
Got your bitch wrapped around my dick
So tight you need a crobar to pry her apart wit

[classthe_king]

Nah, infinite is garbage lmao. And that verse is good but it's still just about how crazy he is. He would still get murked by serious rap.

I was born to mom’s colon possessed by the ghost of Lamont Coleman
Now Sean’s flowing like hemoglobin through a hole in Ron Goldman
I’ll be slapping jaws, bitches I’ll be stabbing raw
Tapping more than a Jehovah’s Witness knocking at your door
Smashing whores, banging in the car like 808s
More semen than a Naval base, skeeting on their facial traits
Me and my labelmates don’t need to watch from Jacob’s place
To make a tape that takes and add devil’s horns to an angel face
Ain’t have to be amazed, I be up at CMJ
With bitches on their knees to pray swallowing my DNA
Drunk, chugging E&J, dodging pigs driving Fords
I see more holding cells than salesmen at Verizon stores
Iron core hard as nails, raised inside a garbage pail
Could’ve went to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton but chose to market sales
The end is near, I sense your fear cause me and Engineer
Guzzled Everclear and sabotaged the Western Hemisphere
They sent us here when I stepped in Hell with jezebels
Pressed the twelve and Heaven fell every time my record sells
I’ll be dead or left in jail before I’ll be the next to fail
Other cats don’t measure well like ounces on a metric scale
My train of thoughts pay the cost and never take a loss
Make you a decaying corpse and laugh through my day in court
Don’t play it off like I won’t run a razor straight across
Your throat till there’s tomato sauce spraying towards your neighbour’s porch

[Emadyville]

You're retarded lol. If Diabolic and Eminem got on a stage and started spitting bars at eachother and Em spit that verse everyone would laugh at him. That's not a battle verse at all lmao, neither was your last one.

that verse you posted was real dope, I don't know diabloic so I can't judge him on a verse, but I'm guessing for argument sake and this thread he is completely underground?

And to add the the thread in general, I think two things that are true were missed in the basic list of the OP that I found to be, like everyone said, A terrible generalization:

1. They're underground cause they aren't signed...whether cause they don't wanna be or aren't, the simple fact is they are underground cause no big label has signed them or put money into them as artists. I know they can be signed to small labels, but with that they should have been heard by bigger labels...

2. They fit into the term "underground" in the sense they appeal to a much smaller group of people. They can be dopest rapper in terms of everything (lyrics, flow, delivery, concepts, whatever, etc.) but what they actually talk about may be liked by such a small group (which can be a big number, but small in terms of comparison to what 'mainstream' artists' groups consist of) that they therefore are not signed by big labels and marketed. Underground and mainstream do not deal with skill or ability, it deals with what people buy and listen to.


Edit: I meant the original verse you posted bolded rhymes, I saw you posted more since I got to post my reply lol

[dead prez]

So what the fuck do you want to battle verse or a verse with substance?

Battle verse

They said I can't rap about bein broke no more
They say I can't rap about coke no more
(AHHH!) Slut, you think I won't choke no whore
til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!
(AHHH!) These motherfuckers are thinkin I'm playin
Thinkin I'm sayin the shit cause I'm thinkin it just to be sayin it
(AHHH!) Put your hands down bitch, I ain't gon' shoot you
I'ma pull +YOU+ to this bullet, and put it through you
(AHHH!) Shut up slut, you're causin too much chaos
Just bend over and take it slut, okay Ma?
"Oh, now he's raping his own mother, abusing a whore,
snorting coke, and we gave him the Rolling Stone cover?"
You god damn right BITCH, and now it's too late
I'm triple platinum and tragedies happen in two states
I invented violence, you vile venomous volatile bitches
vain Vicadin, vrinnn Vrinnn, VRINNN! {*chainsaw revs up*
Texas Chainsaw, left his brains all
danglin from his neck, while his head barely hangs on
Blood, guts, guns, cuts
Knives, lives, wives, nuns, sluts

Verse with substance

I feel like I'm walking a tight rope, without a circus net
I'm popping percocets, I'm a nervous wreck
I deserve respect; but I work a sweat for this worthless check
Bout to burst this tech, at somebody to reverse this debt
Minimum wage got my adrenaline caged
Full of venom and rage
Especially when I'm engaged
And my daughter's down to her last diaper
That's got my ass hyper
I pray that god answers, maybe I'll ask nicer
Watching ballers while they flossing in their pathfinders
These overnight stars becoming autograph signers
We all long to blow up and leave the past behind us
Along with the small fry's and average half pinters
While player haters turn bitch like they have vaginas
Cause we see them dollar signs and let the cash blind us
Money will brainwash you and leave your ass mindless
Snakes slither in the grass spineless

[Emadyville]

^ yeah em has substance, at times, and those are usually his best songs, like rock bottom, sing for the moment, lose yourself, 8 mile road, stan, the way i am, role model, stimulate, say goodbye hollywood, like toy soldiers, renegade, his verse on no love, one day at time verse, and I could go on.

[Willy]

Nah, infinite is garbage lmao. And that verse is good but it's still just about how crazy he is. He would still get murked by serious rap.

I was born to mom’s colon possessed by the ghost of Lamont Coleman
Now Sean’s flowing like hemoglobin through a hole in Ron Goldman
I’ll be slapping jaws, bitches I’ll be stabbing raw
Tapping more than a Jehovah’s Witness knocking at your door
Smashing whores, banging in the car like 808s
More semen than a Naval base, skeeting on their facial traits
Me and my labelmates don’t need to watch from Jacob’s place
To make a tape that takes and add devil’s horns to an angel face
Ain’t have to be amazed, I be up at CMJ
With bitches on their knees to pray swallowing my DNA
Drunk, chugging E&J, dodging pigs driving Fords
I see more holding cells than salesmen at Verizon stores
Iron core hard as nails, raised inside a garbage pail
Could’ve went to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton but chose to market sales
The end is near, I sense your fear cause me and Engineer
Guzzled Everclear and sabotaged the Western Hemisphere
They sent us here when I stepped in Hell with jezebels
Pressed the twelve and Heaven fell every time my record sells
I’ll be dead or left in jail before I’ll be the next to fail
Other cats don’t measure well like ounces on a metric scale
My train of thoughts pay the cost and never take a loss
Make you a decaying corpse and laugh through my day in court
Don’t play it off like I won’t run a razor straight across
Your throat till there’s tomato sauce spraying towards your neighbour’s porch

Why do you assume everyone cares so much about multies? Language can be poetic, complicated, and great without multies. FUCK MULTIES. my god who gives a fuck about multies i hate you so much you based fuck.

[dead prez]

^Not exactly a wise thing to say as one Eminem's best traits are his multies.

[Emadyville]

^Not exactly a wise thing to say as one Eminem's best traits are his multies.

Agreed, tho I'd say by hip-hop critics it's more his ability to make and rhyme words that don't rhyme. the multi praise is more by stans like me, tho its obviously a very strong part of what makes him great

[mdemaz]

Doesn't have to be ALL multis..Internal rhymes work as well...Nas did a lot of that.
Actually he's famous for it.

[dead prez]

For me multis are just the icing on the cake for Eminem. When he can make songs like Rock Bottom and Lose Yourself with a ton of meaning, thats great, but when he can throw in as many multies as he can, its just amazing.

The fact that he's able to have a ton of multies without going off on non sequiters and being able to make a verse with substance is amazing, which is one of the many reasons why SSLP-TES>>>>>>>>Infinite.