Eminem

[M15HKA]

Wooooooaaahhhh settle Down bro hahaha. But good thread

[ku53v]

is defiently the best to ever hold a mic!!!! There are great rappers such as the Wu-Tang Clan who rap dope lyrics and are technichally great, but the same flow and the delivery tends to bore a person. There are rappers with great stories and concepts such as 2pac and had a cultural impact as big or even BIGGER than the impact made by Eminem, but again his style tends to be overdone and at some point tends to bore a person too. Now there are rappers with GOLDEN delivery, such as the Notorious B.I.G and to me Jay-z although some might disagree, and Biggie bein a story telling machine, and yet, they Don't match the deliver of Eminem who makes u wanna ''Glue ur eary to the sterio''. There are some rappers that have the lyrics, the delivery and flow and the concepts all together such as Nas who is one of the dopes in the history of the rap game, but YET, the Influence Eminem had on the rap game is bigger, and Nas doesn't match Em's wit and cleverness and out-of-this-world choice of words.

Now people might say Eminem doesn't have a very consistent Discography, but I tend to disagree. Em's Discography is one of the most impressive ever. The Slim Shady LP, no rap album will ever match this, concept wise it had a veriety from funny songs who are delivered in a GOD-LIKE way, and amazing choice of words, and the songs like Rock Bottom who also have amazing rhyming and considered to be among if not THE best song of Eminem. The Marshall Mathers LP had a lot of Emotion to it, it's not just bout killing, Em talkes bout all that pissess him off in a perfect way, some tracks give chills when u listen to them, Kill You and Kim the most. Not to forget ''Stan'' the term that is still being used for obssessive fans of a certain artist not just Eminem fans, and the message behind that song was amazing, and it was a pretty clever song and even got the perfect choice of a sample. And the Real Slim Shady, a song that shows,wel.... the real slim shady, the way he was pissed by all these pop stars people worship, and making fun of everyone and AGAIN using perfect rhyming and technichally amazing, not just the concept. The Way I Am, wow... now that's anger!!! Eminem has always been a fighter for freedom of speech and it doesn't get better than this track.

Now after Em had done these 2 albums, people might have thought it was time he finally dissappeared, but Eminem had a diffrent plan. He released The Eminem Show!! With again another switch of style, a more mature album than MMLP and toned down a bit. Sing For The Moment, lyrically fantastic, technichally amazing, and a POWERFUL concept and message behind this song. Every single line is almost quote worthy. Cleanin Out My Closet, usually when people are pissed with their mothers, they yell at her and call her names, and if a rapper wanna diss his mom, it will not match the class of this song, a song that even non-rap fans have loved and adored (although they think it's called Sorry Mama SMH). White America, speakin of his struggles as a white man succeeding in this game and yet he took it by storm and if it wasn't from him, today would be less and less influential, alot more amazing songs on this album, but also as i mentioned everytime, not just the message behind these songs, the wit, the cleverness of choice of words and YET still maintaining perfect techinchality with syllables/multies/rhyming/flow. Ok, then comes drugged out Encore which I agree with people that it's his worse album to date, and consider it came after 3 Classical albums it's viewed as a bigger fall-off because of that. Yet, Eminem never fails to deliver songs that are out of this world!! Mosh, I mean the words eminem said are intriguing and the delivery of this song was really up-lifting, imagine if Bush had actually lost the election back then, this song would have been even better, Like Toy Soldiers a classic song, Mockingbird, everyone loves it. Then in 2006 proof dies, and Eminem almost died etc... etc..., 2009 is here and Relapse dropped. AND WOW!!! people who don't like it are blind!!!, first of all i think it counts as an experimental album cause of the serial killing/accent stuff and Em mastered that and shoved Wayne's Rebirth in the trash, and out-did Kanye's 808 and Heartbreaks too. Other than the concepts, the Lyrics were amazing, especially on Stay Wide Awake and 3AM, and the technichality on this one maybe his best ever. Look at these multies from Bagpipes from Bagdhad: titty fuck you till (your BREAST NIPPLES/FLESH TICKLES/MY TESTICLES) this line is out of this world!!!! Beautiful is an uplifting song with a very positive message, dunno why some people hate it, maybe cause it didn't fit the cocnept of this album, but if y'all overlook the album concept and focus just on this song, y'all would worship it!! now comes 2010 Eminem, Recovery.I know i've shown this album alot of hate before, that's cause I was expecting the old Slim Shady, but since he has over-talked bout his personal stuff and at the time of the recording he was so happy cause of being sober and shit, he had to write how he's back and not drugged and mature etc... cause he's 38 now.. Plus it was an amazing album, Not Afraid was very uplifting, Love The Way You Lie is an international succes, ok people might say Em has gone pop, but when Jay-Z worked with Ri-Ri no one said that, when other rappers worked with non-rappers no one accused them of going pop, so why should Em be accused? No Love, shows how Em is >>>> than all this young money bullshit, and we should be thankfull he is back in this game, so that there will be some real rap left in the mainstream world. It's not all love songs and shit, Going Through Changes was maybe the best on the album, 25 To Life was a clever song!! SMH @people still thinkin it's about a girl, Cold Wind Blows was a perfect start to the album!! and Untitled a perfect way to end it!! Not to forget the Lose Yourself song I didn't mention when I was talkin bout 2002 Eminem, but I dont even think I have to write about it to explain what it is. The most exciting thing will be for us to see what em will talk bout in his NEXT album!! and BTW, please don't judge 2010 Em cause of the leaked songs, they are leaked for a reason, cause we were not supposed to here them in the first place and were sons that Em wasn't satisfied with THUS NOT RELEASED..DUH!!!

So which brings me to the conclusion, that Em have a mix of: Lyrical Ability and Clever Choice of Word/Cultural Impact and World Wide Success/Rhyme and Multies and Flow (Technichality)/Amazing Concepts/Wit and Charisma etc..., Em is all around the perfect rapper and had maybe one sub-par album which also had very good songs.

So yeah Em is the G.O.A.T

come again?

[IrishShady]

agree with BILI and thanks for helping with this!!

I don't see anyone doin somethin as big as Stan or Lose Yourself!!

I was too young to remember them being huge... I remember hearing Lose Yourself a lot though. What did they sell?

[IrishShady]

Lose Yourself selled INSANE!!!!! the number 3 million we have now is not the official number, it's alot more than that, dunno why they didn't count or sth like that, it topped the chart for alot of time and is still now after 8 years selling 45-50k a week

Stan was released after a year of MMLP's release so most people had the song by that time, it didn't chart very well (thus not selling much), but it was huge, everyone talked bout it (still are) the performance with Elton John in 2001 will never be forgotten!!

WHAT?? 50k STILL??





Aw. Yeah its constantly being mentioned and theres soooooo many remixes and stuff online.

I that performance so much. It was perfect!

[IrishShady]

@Satans_Chef, lol I was bored Thanks though!


@ku53v, u don't want me writing that again, do you


@IrishShady, viewtopic.php?f=60&t=92069&p=1473628#p1473628

look at the 6th post in that thread


i'm off to bed now, gd n8 y'all...

Thanks man. Night.

[iain08]

@Lello18 and IrishShady

Yeah but while reading this your tone, to me, was like complete obsession. When you started to mention that Em got a little drugged out during the Encore era, you were still claiming that he "never fails to deliver songs that are out of this world!". I know you're entitled to your own opinion and all but fuck, half the songs on that album were utterly terrible, and the ones that didn't have to do with farts were still sup-par.

Then you went on to say that whoever didn't like Relapse was blind. That's just stupid and ignorant. I like Relapse but I don't go out insulting people who don't like it.

"THIS LINE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!"

Easy there.

Now this is when you start getting really defensive. You say people are starting to label Em as a pop artist because he's collaborating with pop artists. Valid point. But then you get all mad because Jay-Z doesn't get labelled as one despite doing the same as Eminem. After that, you kinda beg everyone to not judge Eminem on his recent leaks like you seem like you really do care about what every fucking person thinks of him. Oh yeah, might as well throw lose yourself in there when you're talking about recovery.

You asked me to explain more so I did. Whatever.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Now this is when you start getting really defensive. You say people are starting to label Em as a pop artist because he's collaborating with pop artists. Valid point. But then you get all mad because Jay-Z doesn't get labelled as one despite doing the same as Eminem. After that, you kinda beg everyone to not judge Eminem on his recent leaks like you seem like you really do care about what every fucking person thinks of him. Oh yeah, might as well throw lose yourself in there when you're talking about recovery.

You asked me to explain more so I did. Whatever.

Um...really? You're really gonna defend the fact that it's okay for Jay-Z to collaborate with pop artists, but not Em? I'm sorry, but that's retarded. It shouldn't be okay for one rapper to collaborate with, let's say Rihanna, but not the other. Em fans have every right to defend the fact that it's fucked up that Em's being judged because of a collaboration with Rihanna...ALMOST EVERY mainstream rapper has collaborated with her, it's fucked up not to call other rappers pop, but call Em pop for doing it

and

[IrishShady]

iain08...GTFO


And also, word to Trigger.

[Gorila]

When you really sit and think about Em been the greatest rapper of all time then you must realize then indeed he is. In his Prime he crowned himself as the greatest of all time, too bad he did not continue and kept coming out with quality material. 1999-2003=Greatest of all time and i do not know how somebody could argue against it.. Kanye is not a good rapper by any means.. Lyrically he is nothing special but if you talk about mastering and bringing bright ideas to hip-pop then indeed he is good but other then that I cannot find a single rapper who kept bringing heat as Em back then... Rabbit Run= Instant Orgasm..

[IrishShady]

When you really sit and think about Em been the greatest rapper of all time then you must realize then indeed he is. In his Prime he crowned himself as the greatest of all time, too bad he did not continue and kept coming out with quality material. 1999-2003=Greatest of all time and i do not know how somebody could argue against it.. Kanye is not a good rapper by any means.. Lyrically he is nothing special but if you talk about mastering and bringing bright ideas to hip-pop then indeed he is good but other then that I cannot find a single rapper who kept bringing heat as Em back then... Rabbit Run= Instant Orgasm..

Word.

[iain08]

Um...really? You're really gonna defend the fact that it's okay for Jay-Z to collaborate with pop artists, but not Em? I'm sorry, but that's retarded. It shouldn't be okay for one rapper to collaborate with, let's say Rihanna, but not the other. Em fans have every right to defend the fact that it's fucked up that Em's being judged because of a collaboration with Rihanna...ALMOST EVERY mainstream rapper has collaborated with her, it's fucked up not to call other rappers pop, but call Em pop for doing it

and

I didn't say Jay-Z shouldn't get labelled as one, but to me LTWYL sounds more pop than Run this Town. Yes it's my opinion for that so dick off.

[IrishShady]

Um...really? You're really gonna defend the fact that it's okay for Jay-Z to collaborate with pop artists, but not Em? I'm sorry, but that's retarded. It shouldn't be okay for one rapper to collaborate with, let's say Rihanna, but not the other. Em fans have every right to defend the fact that it's fucked up that Em's being judged because of a collaboration with Rihanna...ALMOST EVERY mainstream rapper has collaborated with her, it's fucked up not to call other rappers pop, but call Em pop for doing it

and

I didn't say Jay-Z shouldn't get labelled as one, but to me LTWYL sounds more pop than Run this Town. Yes it's my opinion for that so dick off.

Love The Way You Lie actually isn't pop atall, you might just think that because of the sung chorus, which is just stupid.


And...

so dick off.

[Gorila]

Um...really? You're really gonna defend the fact that it's okay for Jay-Z to collaborate with pop artists, but not Em? I'm sorry, but that's retarded. It shouldn't be okay for one rapper to collaborate with, let's say Rihanna, but not the other. Em fans have every right to defend the fact that it's fucked up that Em's being judged because of a collaboration with Rihanna...ALMOST EVERY mainstream rapper has collaborated with her, it's fucked up not to call other rappers pop, but call Em pop for doing it

and

I didn't say Jay-Z shouldn't get labelled as one, but to me LTWYL sounds more pop than Run this Town. Yes it's my opinion for that so dick off.

So Em does 1 pop song and you are bother by it? Em is label now as a sell-out just because the song is popular among teens? I'm tired of people claiming Em sucks now because he does collaborations with different artists.... They want him to resort to his old self....... I guess The Eminem Show was pop too.... as it sold alot...

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Um...really? You're really gonna defend the fact that it's okay for Jay-Z to collaborate with pop artists, but not Em? I'm sorry, but that's retarded. It shouldn't be okay for one rapper to collaborate with, let's say Rihanna, but not the other. Em fans have every right to defend the fact that it's fucked up that Em's being judged because of a collaboration with Rihanna...ALMOST EVERY mainstream rapper has collaborated with her, it's fucked up not to call other rappers pop, but call Em pop for doing it

and

I didn't say Jay-Z shouldn't get labelled as one, but to me LTWYL sounds more pop than Run this Town. Yes it's my opinion for that so dick off.

You said that we, as Em fans, get mad because Em is being labeled pop but not Jay, and you made it sound like we are totally wrong in feeling this way

Dick on, motherfucker, dick on...

[NicoleEM]

TL;DR

But I can say I disagree. Eminem is not the best rapper ever, in my opinion. Give me Nas, Andre 3K, Mos Def, Rakim, Black Thought, Canibus, Jay-Z, Ice Cube, GZA, KRS-One, Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, Kool G Rap, Prodigy, and Kanye West before Eminem. It's not a bad thing to be in someone's top 16 rapper list though.

I am all for everyone having their own taste/opinion... but putting Kanye before Eminem...getting Kanye in the same spot with Nas,Canibus or Prodigy...is just wrong on so many levels lol.Should have sticked to the list without Kanye and probably without Jay-Z(at least his last albums were mehh) IMO.
@Lello..i didnt knew you were such a big Em fan...i don't agree with everything you wrote but good read.The ending was purrfect haha