If Prodigy died after Murda Muzik

[dead prez]

Basically if prodigy died after his last decent album with having a legacy of Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik what status do you think he'd have? Biggie status, Big Pun status, Big L status, or Half A Mill status. First scenario he gets shot, next scenario he dies of Sickle Cell well how would that affect his legacy?

I mean how does one go from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx4-8zxRj3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn5QF63wjWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNK1Q_FVvYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CAzg_5Zb_E

to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv18o3rj ... re=related


Arguably the rapper that fell off the hardest.


Feats would be

Having one classic, another personal classic and one good album.

Being one of the most sampled rappers in Hip Hop during the 90s

Playing a major part in the East vs West coast beef.

[stillmatic]

its hard to speculate on man.

but, for one I don't think at all he would have been considered amongst a Biggie, simply because Biggie had hits that blazed the charts, not just the streets, whereas Prodigy's music was a bit one-dimensional.

After that, I'm one who really likes what Big L did, I think A LOT of rappers have since tried recapture what he did, or used a lot of what he brought in their music, so he was a icon in that respect. But yeah as great as L was, Prodigy was more highly considered, so if he died then his reputation would be even bigger. Big Pun is the big loss here because unlike L and Prodigy, he like Biggie had huge crossover potential, he had that appeal in his music, the boricua flavor in his music was entertaining. Half a Mill, in my opinion was a few levels below all of them, don't get me wrong i had love for him and I remember the day he died like it was yesterday as we were just a few 'bubrbs away, but I don't think he was ever amongst the elite.

It would go - Biggie - Prodigy - Big Pun - Big L - Halfa

Big Pun gets in ahead of L because of bias.

[dead prez]

Thanks I appreciate the feedback man, and would rep you if this forum had that.

Anyways as far as bangers what about Quiet Storm the remix, and It's Mine? This was a just an interesting thought that popped in my head that if he died his legacy would be huge and he'd be a house hold top 10 candidate for many people that love to just stick Big L and Big Pun in their favorite rappers list, just because it's the cool thing to do. It really does depress me how he went from being one of the most respected mcees in NY durin the mid 90s to 2000 to being accused of selling, falling off and just getting crushed in every beef he's been. Fwiw you can't take away the amount of time he's been sampled, shit's ridiculous he's everywhere from Smif n Wessun, to JMT, to Rakim etc.

And I only put Big Pun in front probably because his legacy is bigger than Big L's though who's better in is debatable, and Half a Mill no disrespect to him was meant to symbolize being the bottom of the barrrell dead rappers that no one ever really mentions.

[stillmatic]

I think you're being a little harsh on P. Yes Amerikaz Nightmare was a horrible album, but at that time Prodigy was in huge amounts of debt and had lawyer fees in the thousands, so he had to do something to support his life as well, it couldn't just be about the music anymore for him, unfortunately. That's what the G-Unit deal was about, and that wasn't that bad in my opinion, Blood Money was a major improvement on Amerikaz Nightmare, and plus it allowed Mobb Deep to clear all their debts and be comfortable for once. Plus ever since Amerikaz Nightmare, Prodigy has paid his dues again to the hip hop community, 'The Return of the Mac' and HNIC pt. 2 were both very good albums, and a return to form.

Btw. re your point on Halfa, no bias to Queens but in my opinion if you want to talk about rappers who are deceased and don't get much attention, I'll take E Moneybags ahead of Halfa anyday.

[dead prez]

You're right he still has some decent joints (The one collab with Ghostface, about him having sickle cell was a great track) and still blacks out every now and than. I just hope his time in jail may have straightened him out and maybe he'll release a good-great album (praying).

Come on people at least vote, I want to see what your thoughts on this are.

[Tornado]

If P was dead then, he would be considered the gangster rap king of the east coast within the community but it wouldn't be worldwide maybe. It wouldv'e shook up Hip-Hop abit but it wouldn'tve made him legnedary status r.i.p think. Probably Big L status and recognition. Because he wasn't really mainstream the average person wouldn'tve know but to Hip-Hop, he'd be remembered.

Infamy was the end

[dead prez]

Didn't Murda Muzik go platinum and Hell on Earth go Gold? I think he'd be around Big Pun status a little lower than him though. I mean I love Big L, but I don't know I just feel he wasn't that big when he was a live, and hugely benefited from the death in terms of becoming a household top 10 rapper that just about every pseudo hip hop fan must put in their list.

[Xray]

HNIC is a classic Mobb Deep collection. It was released after Murda Muzik, so how did you forget this? Anyways...

Prodigy has the best rap voice of all time. He's not all that great technically but his lyrics are just pure sickness. He's got the best one liners in Hip Hop's history imo. Producers still sample him till this day. Just goes to show how much quotables he has. If Prodigy died after HNIC, then P would of been the GOAT of rap. Fuck a different status, he'd be the GOAT by far in my books. Simply because he has the best delivery, on the best beats, with the best lyrics (my type of lyrics anyway). My favourite rapper of all time, no fucking punchline of Big L or a multi from Big Pun could reach his caliber in terms of sickness. Obviously I'm not alone if his influenced so many people.

Mobb Deep till I motherfucking die.

[dead prez]

HNIC is a classic Mobb Deep collection. It was released after Murda Muzik, so how did you forget this? Anyways...

Probably cause that was his last great album, before he fell of lyrically. Even in H.N.I.C. you could tell he wasn't up to par with his previous albums, he still had great delivery and could flow but his rhymes starting to really become subpar.

Not to mention you get a better legacy, if you die in your prime.

Prodigy has the best rap voice of all time.

No doubt, though I also like Ghostface's, O.C. and Guru's.

He's not all that great technically but his lyrics are just pure sickness. He's got the best one liners in Hip Hop's history imo.

Yep he has so many quotables, shit's ridiculous and it helps that he delivers them in with a great voice which amplifies the lines ten fold.

Producers still sample him till this day. Just goes to show how much quotables he has. If Prodigy died after HNIC, then P would of been the GOAT of rap.Fuck a different status, he'd be the GOAT by far in my books.

Yep, does anyone have a complete list for how many times he's been sampled?

Simply because he has the best delivery, on the best beats, with the best lyrics (my type of lyrics anyway).

It also helps that he doesn't waste any lines and gets dricetly to the point, all his lyrics are straight foward and can be quoted out of context in his song and still sound dope.

My favourite rapper of all time, no fucking punchline of Big L or a multi from Big Pun could reach his caliber in terms of sickness. Obviously I'm not alone if his influenced so many people.

Mobb Deep till I motherfucking die.

[dead prez]

Bump just to show the amount of times he's been sampled, pretty sure I'm still missing a lot of songs, but it's it's still a huge list. Can anyone give me another rapper who's been sampled as much, only ones that come to mind are Biggie, Rakim, Guru, Nas, and Krs one, and I doubt any one them are sampled more than him.



1. Group Home - The Realness
2. Jedi Mind Tricks - The Worst
3. Jedi Mind Tricks - Heavy Metal Kings
4. Ali Vegas - The Specialist
5. Arsonists - Frienemies
6. Smif N Wessun - War
7. Marco Polo & Torae - Lifetime
8. Big Pun - Beware
9. Big Pun - Tres Leches
10. Non Phixion - Drug Music
11. Saigon - NY Streetz
12. Pete Rock - The Game
13. Royce 59 - Another One
14. Kool G Rap - Take A Loss
15. Chino XL, Sean Price & Killah Priest - Murder
16. OC & Pharoahe Monch - Ridiculous
17. Krumbsnatcha - Closer To God
18. Consequence - QUE Another ENS
19. Canibus - Psych Evaluation
20. Arsonists - Shaboing
21. Hi Tek - Scratch Rappin'
22. Xzibit - Eyes May Shine
23. Immortal Technique - Dance With The Devil
24. Gangstarr - ½ & ½
25. Jay-Z - D’Evils
26. Cunninlynguists - War
27. Rakim - The Saga Begins
28. Planet Asia - No Questions Asked
29. EPMD - Last Man Standing
30. Styles Of Beyond - Mr. Brown
31. Gangstarr - Who Got Gunz
32. Binary Star - OneManArmy
33. Lil Eazy E - Coming From Compton
34. Bahamadia - Special Forces
35. Royce Da 5’9” - Hip Hop
36. All Natural - Queens Get The Money
37. C-Rayz Walz - New York Sh*tty
38. Masta Ace & Guru - Conflict Remix
39. MHz - Creatively Wise
40. Self Scientific - Cash Craft
41. Pete Rock - Half Man Half Amazin
42. AZ - Animal
43. Brother Ali - Think It Through
44. Fat Joe - The Crack Attack
45. PMD - It’s The Pee 97’
46. Journalist - Self Explanatory
47. Juice - I Rap Like
48. Jedi Mind Tricks - Walk With Me
49. Jedi Mind Tricks - Blood Runs Cold
50. Immortal Technique - That’s What It Is
51. Da Youngsta’s - Every Man 4 Theyself (Remix)
52. Infamous Mobb - Mobb N*ggaz Pt. 2
53. Non Phixion - Four W’s
54. Common - The 6th Sense
55. Jedi Mind Tricks - Put Em In The Grave
56. Canibus - Showtime At The Gallow
57. Sean Price - P-Body
58. Quasimoto - Blitz
59. Soulbrotha - Nuts & Screws
60. Jedi Mind Tricks - Serenity In Murder
61. Zion I - Critical
62. Ivan Ives - August In L.A.
63. Megalon - Feel It (Hitlist)


A better list

1 - G. Dep 's "It's All Over" / (' God Bless My Soul ") from" Survival of the Fittest "

2 - Ali Vegas's "Can not Turn Back" / ('New York got a nigga depressed so I wear a slugproof underneath my Guess' and 'Lord forgive me, the Hennessey got me not knowin' how to act, I've fall and I can not turn back ') from "Survival of the Fittest"

3 - Binary Star's "One Man Army" / ('You could put your whole army, against my team') from "Shook Ones Pt II."

4 - Swollen Members' "Strength" / ('No one is safe from') from "Survival of the Fittest"

5 - Non-Phixion's "Drug Music" / ('My drug music, it's therapeutic to the user, you slam dance to it') from "Allustrious"

6 - Rakim's "New York (Ya Out There)" / ('New York')

7 - Group Home's "4 Give My Sins" / ('Lord forgive me') from "Survival of the Fittest"

8 - Group Home's "The Realness" / ('Comes equipped') from ". Shook Ones Pt II"

9 - Gang Starr feat. Fat Joe & MOP - Who Got Gunz "/ ('crazy ill mad rowdy')

10 - Big Pun's "Beware" / ('I gave you fair warning, beware')

11 - Mos Def's "Rock and Roll" / ('Rock and Roll for the Black People')

12 - The Madd Rapper - You're All Alone (Original) / ("You're all alone in these streets ..") from "Shook Ones pt 2

13 - Hi Tek with Royal Shines / ("Everywhere I go they try to take what's mine")

14 - X-Ecutioners - Let It Bang ft. MOP / ('You heard of us, official "(DJ)" murders ") from Shook Ones Pt II.

15 - Self Scientific - Millennium Thrust "yaknowwatimsaying and other talkin '

16 - Infamous Mobb - Mobb Niggaz Part 2

17 - MOP and Gang Starr - 1 / 2 and 1 / 2 / ("There's a war going on outside no man is safe from")

18 - Pete Rock feat. Method Man - Half Man Half Amazing / ("Sending this one out, to my man ..")

19 - Pete Rock - The Game (various samples is)

20 - Ali Vegas - The Specialist / ("Here's why your small rhymes bore me, your store bought rap is not shit, call me the specialist, rap science")

21 - Cunninlynguists' "War" / ("Theres a war going on outside")

22 - OC - O-Zone (i think) "your first time will be your last earth memories"

23 - Xzibit - Eyes May Shine "you better off bucking yourself, you need to stop frontin '

24 - EPMD's "Last Man Standing" / ('whatever it takes, however it gots to go down, pour on stage, a four pound muthafuckin ')

25 - Rakim - The Saga Begins / ("The Saga Begins, Set It Off")

26 - Jay-Z's "D'evils" / ('illuminati for my mind soul and body')

27 - Fat Joe's "Crack Attack" / ('Take these words home and think it through, or the next rhyme I write might be about you')

28 - Common's "Sixth Sense" / (P's voice .. "Rock n Roll for the black people)

29 - Krumb Snatcha's "Closer To God" / (gettin 'closer to God, in a tight situation')

30 - Cocoa Brovaz '"Back 2 Life" / (' people locked down, comin back to life ')

31 - Big Punisher's "Tres Leches" / ('it's the P')

32 - Royal Flush "Shines" / ("still came home with his shines")

33 - Made Men's "Made Men" / ('you're all alone in these streets')

34 - Cash Brown's "Last Man Standing" (same beat as Styles & Pharoahe's "The Life") / (P sample: 'I might crack a smile but ain'ta damn thing funny')

35 - Havoc's "The illest '/ (' Man I've done been through it all, seen it all ')

36 - Jedi Mind Tricks ft. Sean Price's "Blood Runs Cold" / ('I rap like no one out there can fuck wit me')

37 - Baby Blak's "The Youth" / ('Do things for the kids (the little Dunns), so they can enjoy youth')

38 - McGruff's "Destined To Be '/ (' life is a gamble, a scramble for money, I might crack a smile but ain'ta damn thing funny ')

39 - Rakim's "Real Shit" / ('with the real shit')

40 - Rakim's "The Saga" / ('The Saga Begins')

41 - 7L & Esoteric's "Jealous Over Nothing '/ (' I can see it inside your face ')

42 - Massive Tone's "Dream Travel" / ('long time no cash')

43 - Mariah Carey's "The Roof" / ('I got you stuck off the realness')

44 - EPMD's "Last Man Standing" / ('whatever it takes how ever it gots to go down / 4 on stage a motherfuckin '4 pound')

45 - De La Soul's "Declaration" / ('I declare that only live niggaz rap this year')

46 - Morcheeba feat. Slick Rick's "Women Lose Weight (Alchemist Remix) '/ (' make your blood stop flowing ')

47 - Cypress Hill's "Prelude To A Come Up" / ('shit is real on the motherfuckin Hill, god')

48 - Crosstown Beef's "Medina Green" / ('when the slugs penetrate, you feel a burnin sensation' and 'getting closer to god, in a tight situation')

49 - Buc Fifty's "Buc Buc Buc"

50 - Scram Jones' "Liquid Heat"

51-25 to Life "(from the" Life "soundtrack) feat Wyclef Jean, Xzibit, Juvenile, Nature, Ja Rule and Reptile. (" For every rhyme I write, it's 25 to life ".)

52 - dilated peoples - worse comes to worst "when worse comes to worst, my peoples come first - hav survival of the fittest"

53 - Canibus "Psych Evaluation" / (cause now you bump heads with kids thats lifeless - 'Right Back At You')

54 - Immortal Technique - Dance With The Devil ("I'm falling and I can not turn back ..."