I find it almost weird Em dissed Michael Jackson

[Hiphopdane]

I know you never said that, but I'm saying that to you. It's hypocritical to say that it's wrong for Eminem to make fun of MJ, when all the rest of America is doing it too. That's the point I was trying to make with that first statement.

I don't think there should be certain "rules" for certain people either. We agree.

That's the big point I'm trying to make. And I personally don't find it too cowardly, Eminem has a way of taking what's fucked up in the world and exaggerating it. Em has never had anything personally against Michael. At the time, MJ was the big deal, and everyone was bagging on him for it, so Em takes those beliefs and greatly exaggerates them. I'm pretty sure those were his intentions, and not just him jumping on the bandwagon and making fun of him for the sake of doing it

For most of his career he has attacked people who actually have gone against him. Normally he just doesn't choose random celebrities and attacks them. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against making fun of people but there's major difference between saying Kim Kardishian has a big ass and accusing MJ of being a pedophile. He couldn't back up his accusations with anything other than the usual "he has slept in the same bed as a kid" which doesn't make you a pedo.

[Kez]

Personally i think he just couldn't think of any other target to make fun of due to being on so many drugs, so he went for the most obvious imaginable. I mean yeah, it worked didn't it lol, but it's the easiest joke in the world to make. People say shit like that when they're like 13

[Gorila]

When you are view as "the" greatest musicians of all, Michael Jackson that is, America is going to hate you and make false accusations. Eminem was just taking a little jab at that time but i think all the hate that MJ receives is undeserved, greatest musician of all time through 80's-2000's.

[Hiphopdane]

Also, Hiphopdane...I don't know if it's just me, but quit dissecting Trig's statements...it's really gay and it doesn't make you come across as an analytical person if you do so - not saying that's your intentions but they seem that way to me.

Why write anything if you don't want it to be debated? I only seperate his posts into a couple of quotes to make it easier to see what exactly I'm responding to.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Also, Hiphopdane...I don't know if it's just me, but quit dissecting Trig's statements...it's really gay and it doesn't make you come across as an analytical person if you do so - not saying that's your intentions but they seem that way to me.

Why write anything if you don't want it to be debated? I only seperate his posts into a couple of quotes to make it easier to see what exactly I'm responding to.

Yeah, that's usually why people do that, to clear up what they're answering to. I understand why he did it

[lizzmathersxo]

You're a fuckin idiot. : MJ was not proven guilty for shit, plus, if you actually knew the details of the situation, you'd (hopefully) be able to piece together your own verdict. It was a ridiculous claim that DIDN'T add up at all, the only reason why it was such a big deal was because 1) it was Michael Jackson 2) Americans like to blow up shit regarding celebrities.

My conclusion echoes my introduction: you're a fuckin idiot.

Jordie Chandler (the dick that started the whole molestation shit) admitted that his dad made him lie about Mike doing anything to him. And Evan Chandler (Jordie's dad) killed himself (after having lots of plastic surgery to make himself look like MJ) MJ died.


but yeah, this is what i've said to alot of MJ fans who slag off eminem, that they were so alike.

[shadyboymez]

it's things like this that i want em to be upfront about on his next cd. he needs to be more real when talkin about his life, i want to know more than the fact that he was addicted to pills and is not anymore. we all know he does it all for his kids, and blah blah...it gets boring.

talk about dissing MJ (do u regret it?)
talk about producing a 2pac posthumous album (do you regret that?)
talk about real world issues (politics/obama, mass murders, possible apocolypse)
talk about the real state of hip-hop, and don't be afraid to cause a stir (i miss that side of Em)
and so on...

[Willy]

Michael had sex with the younglings help

[FreeSpeech]

Eminem makes fun of people, if we want to get mad, get mad about him joking about reeves

I didn't start this thread to criticize him, just to point out how similar him and MJ were and how I wish they could have connected. Ithink it would have been good for both of them.

Em has said way worse things about people. The Michael J Fox/Christopher Reeves stuff is far worse. And the Jon Benet Ramses line was one of the only things he's said where I just

[xxTrigger1989xx]

No, I know why he did, I'm not retarded. It just looked stupid, especially if it's a debate about why Eminem is a coward. Whatever.

Nah dude, I wasn't saying you're retarded

[NextEpisode]

Most people here are nuts.

Unless you go by the court results, which you can't trust courts.

I see people calling Hyde a idiot when they don't even know shit. No one but mj and the kids know what happen, so saying he is guilty or not guilty is pointless.

Eminem makes fun of people, if we want to get mad, get mad about him joking about reeves

I second that.

What, however, makes MJ seem like guilty (to most people), is that he himself claimed he had slept "with" kids in the same bed. And instead of proving his case, he "payed off" this family to redraw the case. BUT, I don't know more than anyone else here, so I won't speculate whether he's guilty or not. Imo, he's made several good (some great) songs, that's what I care about.

The only thing I have against MJ is that he always thought he was "the best", and really put it out there that he wanted to be better than The Beatles and Elvis Presley. I mean, for real, who release a album called "King Of Pop"... It's funny that nowadays (after his death) people refer to him as this (King Of Pop), but during the time he was a life, in the media (and everywhere) he was called the "Self-proclaimed King Of Pop"... Death changes a lot of things, indeed. I'm sure that most people on this forum desperatly defending MJ, wasn't even fans before he died... Sad....

[FreeSpeech]

I second that.

What, however, makes MJ seem like guilty (to most people), is that he himself claimed he had slept "with" kids in the same bed. And instead of proving his case, he "payed off" this family to redraw the case. BUT, I don't know more than anyone else here, so I won't speculate whether he's guilty or not. Imo, he's made several good (some great) songs, that's what I care about.

The only thing I have against MJ is that he always thought he was "the best", and really put it out there that he wanted to be better than The Beatles and Elvis Presley. I mean, for real, who release a album called "King Of Pop"... It's funny that nowadays (after his death) people refer to him as this (King Of Pop), but during the time he was a life, in the media (and everywhere) he was called the "Self-proclaimed King Of Pop"... Death changes a lot of things, indeed. I'm sure that most people on this forum desperatly defending MJ, wasn't even fans before he died... Sad....

As for saying he was the best, is it cocky if it's true? He was really a humble person in most aspects, but since his whole life was built upon music, I can see why he wanted to be the best ever. And when you look at the energy he put in to his recording and performances, it's insane.

I was never a huge fan of his music, or pop in general, but I've always had a huge amount of respect for him as a person and an artist.

[NextEpisode]

As for saying he was the best, is it cocky if it's true? He was really a humble person in most aspects, but since his whole life was built upon music, I can see why he wanted to be the best ever. And when you look at the energy he put in to his recording and performances, it's insane.

I was never a huge fan of his music, or pop in general, but I've always had a huge amount of respect for him as a person and an artist.

Well, in practically all music gernres (exl. Hiphop/rap), music isn't about competition who's better than the other, it's about art... And claiming to be the KING of pop, is just ridicolous, imo. Music is all about opinion.

As for MJ being a humble person, yes that's probably the case, but he had a large ego, this video summarize what I mean;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCIgbsqnJeQ

Michael Jackson, next Josef Stalin? Also, note the "king of pop" sings here and there...

Anyways, sorry for going Off-topic. But it's just that when it comes to MJ, everything is taken so serious... What about all the other people that were "offended"... No one cared about them...

[NicoleEM]

Not a fan of MJ at all, has nothing to do with the accusations or anything since I don't know shit about them although I do joke about him being a rapist once in a while (after he died I would make as many jokes about him as I could for the first month just to piss people off) I do respect him for his musical accomplishments just like I respect other artists who are legends (Beatles, Elvis, Vanilla Ice)
i'm not a fan of his music though, I liked beat it for a short period of time when I was 13 and that was it.
Anyways Eminem did not DISS MJ, he parodied & made fun of him which isn't the same as dissing
Making fun of someone is like what you'd do normally if you find something funny about someone you make a couple jokes about it and move on. Dissing someone is when you go out of your way repeatedly to try making them look stupid and prove you're better than them like you'd do to some one you hate at school. People think if rappers just make fun of someone once or twice it's all of a sudden a "diss" when it's not they're just having fun. The media was fucking obsessed with Michael, Em made fun of him on one song and did that baby out the window thing, that was it.

Pretty much agree with this.He also made fun of others,but people just focused on MJ cause at that time there were all these media reports about his life.As a musician we can not contest he is and probably will always be a legend.But as a person...having all these operations,mehh wtf?It was his own fault getting the attention to himself.And im not even talking about the rape accusations,cause we will never know the truth.
"That's not a stab at Michael,im just psycho"...rings a bell?lol

[cocaine2011]

I find it even more weirder that you guys are bringing up this now when MJ is dead.