








dead prez wrote:Alright since you seem to have skipped over my post, I'll break down a segment of the third verse.
Yo, the heavy metal king hold big shit, with spare clips
(Heavy metal king is a double entendre, metal is a slang for guns, and heavy metal basiclly means a huge guns)
You seein clips when the mac spit your top got split
(seein clipse, should be see eclipse, so notice the double sound of it.)
Layin dead with open eyes close his eyelids
Turn off his lights switch to darkness, cause deep in the abyss
(Turn off his lights, metaphor for you know killing him)
Is street life, blood on my kicks, shit on my knife
Youse the wild child, kid cold turnin men into mice
(Obviously turning men into pussies)
There's other segment but I'm not breaking down the wholeverse.
Notice the constanttheme of darkness, just like the constant theme of science in your verse.


dead prez wrote:Alright since you seem to have skipped over my post, I'll break down a segment of the third verse.
Yo, the heavy metal king hold big shit, with spare clips
(Heavy metal king is a double entendre, metal is a slang for guns, and heavy metal basiclly means a huge guns)
You seein clips when the mac spit your top got split
(seein clipse, should be see eclipse, so notice the double sound of it.)
Layin dead with open eyes close his eyelids
Turn off his lights switch to darkness, cause deep in the abyss
(Turn off his lights, metaphor for you know killing him)
Is street life, blood on my kicks, shit on my knife
Youse the wild child, kid cold turnin men into mice
(Obviously turning men into pussies)
There's other segment but I'm not breaking down the wholeverse.
Notice the constanttheme of darkness, just like the constant theme of science in your verse.


HipHopHead wrote:
Seein clips doesn't sound like see eclipse unless you're retarded.
That's not a double entendre. What the fuck is a "heavy metal king". It has to make sense both ways for that to work. You said metal=gun and heavy metal=huge gun.....that's not wordplay....it's not even clever.
. Turnin men into mice isn't world play. It's just an idiom. Not clever.
[/quote]Also Diabolic relayed a consistent theme while using line long multies, and it made sense. That's pretty fuckin epic.

classthe_king wrote:Sorry, I didn't see that other post. On a quick unrelated note
Vinnie Paz- The heavy metal kings hold big shit, we cock the heaters
And what point are you proving with that? Why does that have any substance? He has a gun and he's killing people with it.
Forever and a Day is a beautiful song about how he got in a fight with his best friend who ended up dying, it's also a tribute to everyone else in his life who died.
"What if you and someone you grew up with had an awkward little beef
But he lost his will to breathe before you too could sit, talk and really sleep
Would it haunt you in your dreams or would it taunt you in your sleep?"
Razorblade Salvation is an amazing song just looking back at his life
"I thought a lot about everything i said in the letter
And questioned whether or not I was dead you'd be better
You think my shorty would be happy if I never met her?
It's too late mommy, I can never forget her"
Don't Feel Good is an incredible story telling song dedicated to those going through rough times
"And his story, I'm repping it now
Cause he's like me, we're both drunk and high as fuck, our heads in the clouds
So when death's callin you
Life's a bitch, but you ain't alone, I'm standin right here with all of you"
And Behind bars is just another great song about his life
"Wifey said think about how your mom would look at you
Now I'm apologizen to her for the shit I put through
Used to think there were some people I just couldn't lose
Burned a bridge, watched it turn to shit, rebuild good as new"
Those are heartfelt songs that actually mean something and anyone can relate too.
Also what HipHopHead said

Master Chief wrote:classthe_king wrote:I already did.
Store my rhymes cryogenically, for an entire century,
You could save his rhymes for 100 years so they are the exact same at that date
And even science then’ll be baffled by the chemistry
Even if you do the advanced technology/science of the future still won't be able to figure out how they are put together so well.
The rapid rise in energies, analyzed forensically,
The way they make you react are studied
To fathom why this natural high is trapped inside your memory
To understand why they get stuck in your head so much.
Notice he kept up the science theme the whole time, he did that on PURPOSE. It was a metaphor that he has complex lyrics. Get it now
That one makes the most sense but I'm still not buying it


dead prez wrote:Yeah it does there's some sites that have "see eclipse", and some that have 'seein clips"
Heavy metal king, you know fucking metal is a slang for guns well in the 90s anyway, Biggie used metal as a slang for guns in sme of his songs (kick in the door, " settle it with the chrome and metal shit). And you know the other meaning as in rock music, didn't jedi mind tricks sample that line to mean the other way around anyway? I'm pretty sure most thoght of it as the rock way at first.
I never said it was, and why isn't it cause you say so?
So did Prodigy minus the multies except hehad bette flow and delivery.


dead prez wrote:classthe_king wrote:Sorry, I didn't see that other post. On a quick unrelated note
Vinnie Paz- The heavy metal kings hold big shit, we cock the heaters
And what point are you proving with that? Why does that have any substance? He has a gun and he's killing people with it.
Are you talking about Prodigy?Forever and a Day is a beautiful song about how he got in a fight with his best friend who ended up dying, it's also a tribute to everyone else in his life who died.
"What if you and someone you grew up with had an awkward little beef
But he lost his will to breathe before you too could sit, talk and really sleep
Would it haunt you in your dreams or would it taunt you in your sleep?"
Razorblade Salvation is an amazing song just looking back at his life
"I thought a lot about everything i said in the letter
And questioned whether or not I was dead you'd be better
You think my shorty would be happy if I never met her?
It's too late mommy, I can never forget her"
Don't Feel Good is an incredible story telling song dedicated to those going through rough times
"And his story, I'm repping it now
Cause he's like me, we're both drunk and high as fuck, our heads in the clouds
So when death's callin you
Life's a bitch, but you ain't alone, I'm standin right here with all of you"
And Behind bars is just another great song about his life
"Wifey said think about how your mom would look at you
Now I'm apologizen to her for the shit I put through
Used to think there were some people I just couldn't lose
Burned a bridge, watched it turn to shit, rebuild good as new"
Those are heartfelt songs that actually mean something and anyone can relate too.
Also what HipHopHead said
So now you're basing them off their subject not actual technicalities? And no some people in the hood (not me per say, I'm suburban can relate to the shit in illmatic, Reasonble Doubt, R2D, etc. so..)
Half the songs on illmatic or deep and about his life, N.Y. state of Mind, Memory Lane.
Hell I can even turn to Pac if you're going to base it off substance and being relatable music rather than techincalities.


HipHopHead wrote:When Immortal Technique said "I'll leave you full a clipse like the moon blockin the sun" that sounded like full-a-clips and full-eclipse. See-e-clipse and see-in-clips clearly aren't perfect multies therefore not word play.
Again, not a double entendre. It has two meanings but both of them need to apply to the situation for it to matter. How does rock apply to these lyrics? It doesn't.
It's a lot of things but it definitely isn't clever. Yes because I have a strong grasp on what it means to be clever I am qualified to judge what is and what isn't.
Prodigy has a better flow than 99.9% of rappers. His delivery is great. We're discussing LYRICS.


classthe_king wrote:I thought we weren't talking about Technicalities, cause every song I posted's technicalities are 100x better lmao. Yeah the songs on Illmatic are deep and that shit but they don't come close to being this deep.

dead prez wrote:classthe_king wrote:I thought we weren't talking about Technicalities, cause every song I posted's technicalities are 100x better lmao. Yeah the songs on Illmatic are deep and that shit but they don't come close to being this deep.
Again just becaue YOU relate to it more doesn't make it anymore deep, and you still haven't proven them bein 100X better lyrics wise, let's noteven get into flow and delivery wise.



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